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Another update with nothing I'm interested in. I guess at least I'll get out of this without spending a lot, but can't help but be disappointed.

$8.3 MILLY, Gambler Chest Roll #22, INVERTED MOUNTAIN CAMPAIGN, BONE CLUB, APOTH PINUP, GREEN KNIGHT ARMOR AND A PARTRIDGE IN A PEAR TREE

Hello!

This is it! I will be taking an offical break from campaigning starting tomorrow Dec 24th until January 2nd 2017! Next update will be a quick one on the 25th of December to reveal the holiday rewards.

This has been an utterly insane campaign thus far! And I need the time to get a little R&R before we come back for our final week!!!!

Thank you all so very much. I couldn't possibly be more proud of our game and the backers, bakcers and fan's that support it!

Today's Gambler's Chest reveal is very close to my heart!!!! ANNA YOU ARE THE BEST!

BIG THANK YOU FROM ME TO THE TEAM! HAVE A WONDERFUL, AMAZING HOLIDAYS! EAT LOTS OF FOOD AND PLAY GAMES!!!!!!!

For myself and on behalf of the entire KD Team, I wish all of you a happy holidays and all a good night!

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Trapdoor men are terrifying.

+1 Albino Squirrel for general disinterest (any chance you went to Oberlin, BTW?).

I like the ram and knight, think the gryphon and nemeses are fine but not very exciting, but basically don't really like this alternate core. Like 1/4 good, 1/3 okay, the rest not my thing does not really make it very exciting to me.

The old survivor and cheap club is nice, though, and I thought Anna round 2 was way classier than Adam round 2.

I like the idea of the Art Nouveau pinup art, too bad the style doesn't carry over into the sculpt (although it's a big improvement on the resin version).

I may end up getting the campaign expansion even if I'm not getting all the component parts just because I like the Mountain Man and I'm interested in the larger story elements that should be included.

Really like the Anna sculpt, increasingly happy with the Gambler's chest.

Increasingly of the opinion that I should not buy *any* of the new expansions though. If I'm not going to buy this Inverted Mountain one (and don't think I will), I have my doubts about how smoothly the individual expansions will integrate with the core game, or what they'll offer.

Total add-on price for all components of this new campaign: $395.

Ouch, I'd ballparked it but got those numbers off by a bit. Yeah, the only expansions I expect are 100% safe to add are the gambler's chest, the campaign thingy, and the new game plus thing. I expect to get those, but am going to be pretty cautious about any other decisions, like the 2 white speaker ones that interact.

The 2 existing major campaign variants are pretty weird in that regard-- the dragon one only loses 3 monsters, a few mechanics, and 2 pieces of gear, but for some reason is supposed to stand alone, while the sunstalker one is supposed to interact fine, but in practice it's really unfriendly to expansion content (nemeses are all a bad idea; gorm produces the wrong gear; spidicules has some bad interactions and removes the antelope; etc.)

I wonder if he's still sticking to the "planned" expansion shtick as he heads off for the holidays.

No sign of the chimera like creature from the video.

Still haven't heard any more about the wanderers.

Adam had also mentioned having plans in place for his break. Wonder what that'll mean.

-Also unsure if the Mountain Man is workable on his own or does his campaign absolutely have to have all the other expansions tied into it?

Yeah, I'd be happy enough with a mostly complete campaign w/o needing all the monsters- I mean, it's not like the core game requires its monsters other than just the lion. I don't see why this one would require a specific set.

So, that's a good question for you, SC, and anyone else with game experience under their belt:

What expansions are worth getting?

I am planning on getting the base game and gambler's chest, and then throwing 50-150$ on extra things maybe. What do you wise gentleman survivors recommend?

See the BoardGameGeek forums for the long answer, but, from what I've read, Dragon King is a must, and Tree is the least worth getting.

Wherkind--

The Dragon king is a phenomenal advanced campaign, way better than the core and one I'd highly recommend, comes with two types of very well-crafted movement-heavy fights and a different style of player character.

After that, I'd suggest a good quarry or two: Gorm (early fight that modifies early progress a lot), Sunstalker or Dung Beetle (both are ones I've heard very good things about though haven't played yet, both are advanced monsters that are difficult with good rewards), Flower Knight (a fun and different quarry, a bit light on content and easier but still worth it IMHO).

I don't think the spider is a great expansion, have heard bad things about the tree (lame) and lion god (late, don't fight it much), and think nemeses tend to be interesting fights, but, if you're on a budget, you don't fight them as often so they're not a great return.

If I were you, I'd go Dragon King and Gorm, and if you're willing to stretch a little further, beetle knight or flower knight. If you like the frogdog or mosquito (I don't), I expect they'll be a good choice since they're early, and personally I'm on a budget, and am very interested in the ram and black knight as different fights.

The tree is a terrain piece and an event that can happen during the hunt phase, it doesn't add any new monsters or the like to the campaign.

It dawned on me that we haven't seen any of the Lantern Festival's original content return in any noticeable form.

Especially after the whole "The King Awaits..." t-shirt business.

Maybe in January?

Well, we've actually seen a bunch of campaign content. So, the question is, is the rest coming in some form in the KS at all? The fox seemed a shoo in but hasn't been seen either.

 Bioptic wrote:
Really like the Anna sculpt, increasingly happy with the Gambler's chest.

Increasingly of the opinion that I should not buy *any* of the new expansions though. If I'm not going to buy this Inverted Mountain one (and don't think I will), I have my doubts about how smoothly the individual expansions will integrate with the core game, or what they'll offer.

Total add-on price for all components of this new campaign: $395.

That's a very good point. Nightmare Ram was the only expansion I was really interested in getting, but now I'm working how well it will actually work on it's own, or if all these expansions will be focused on how they fit together into this new campaign. Not being crazy about most of the monsters in it, there's no way I'd spend another $400 for this Mountain Man campaign.

It does make me wonder at what point would it be more cost appropriate for him to bundle a fair amount of the new content into a new core box.

Title it Kingdom Death: Inverted Mountain or some such and call it a day.

Obviously with this Mountain Man campaign we're almost there anyways. If they cut back on a few monsters and expansions you've basically got the makings of a second core box anyways.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
It does make me wonder at what point would it be more cost appropriate for him to bundle a fair amount of the new content into a new core box.

Title it Kingdom Death: Inverted Mountain or some such and call it a day.

Obviously with this Mountain Man campaign we're almost there anyways. If they cut back on a few monsters and expansions you've basically got the makings of a second core box anyways.

That sounds like a great idea - I hope he makes that happen!

If you are looking to use sleeves for your cards Mage is doing a KS and is making sizes for all KD cards

I'm interested in KD, but I don't know. $250 seems insane for a board game.

For that price you could basically buy every book for DND and set up as many campaigns as you want. Is there really that much that the box has to offer?

 Professor_Plum wrote:
I'm interested in KD, but I don't know. $250 seems insane for a board game.

For that price you could basically buy every book for DND and set up as many campaigns as you want. Is there really that much that the box has to offer?

As popular as KD:M seems, it's really still not for everyone.

You're not only getting a game, but you're getting a lot of rather well-sculpted miniatures as well. Hop in if you're in for a D&D-like campaign without a DM and you're into miniatures (painting, collecting, whatever).

You can buy a bunch of D&D sourcebooks, but then you also need a player to DM, encounters to be hopefully balanced, and a story everyone can agree on. For KD:M, the game is its own DM.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Professor_Plum wrote:
I'm interested in KD, but I don't know. $250 seems insane for a board game.

For that price you could basically buy every book for DND and set up as many campaigns as you want. Is there really that much that the box has to offer?

As popular as KD:M seems, it's really still not for everyone.

You're not only getting a game, but you're getting a lot of rather well-sculpted miniatures as well. Hop in if you're in for a D&D-like campaign without a DM and you're into miniatures (painting, collecting, whatever).

You can buy a bunch of D&D sourcebooks, but then you also need a player to DM, encounters to be hopefully balanced, and a story everyone can agree on. For KD:M, the game is its own DM.

So how do the pledge levels work? The entire page honestly is so full of random pledge amounts and rewards that it's hard to really comprehend it all. Is there a difference between KD 1 and 1.5? Is there an edition on the kickstarter that is recommended for people who might just be getting into it? What would that included? Etc.

I'm sorry, plum, you're on a miniatures/wargaming forum, I don't see how that's a shocking price for toys.

 Professor_Plum wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Professor_Plum wrote:
I'm interested in KD, but I don't know. $250 seems insane for a board game.

For that price you could basically buy every book for DND and set up as many campaigns as you want. Is there really that much that the box has to offer?

As popular as KD:M seems, it's really still not for everyone.

You're not only getting a game, but you're getting a lot of rather well-sculpted miniatures as well. Hop in if you're in for a D&D-like campaign without a DM and you're into miniatures (painting, collecting, whatever).

You can buy a bunch of D&D sourcebooks, but then you also need a player to DM, encounters to be hopefully balanced, and a story everyone can agree on. For KD:M, the game is its own DM.

So how do the pledge levels work? The entire page honestly is so full of random pledge amounts and rewards that it's hard to really comprehend it all. Is there a difference between KD 1 and 1.5? Is there an edition on the kickstarter that is recommended for people who might just be getting into it? What would that included? Etc.

In a nutshell:

KD 1 is the original game from the previous kickstarter. Now obsolete. KD 1.5 is the updated rules and some new stuff. KD 1.5 will now be the base game.

The "Lantern Upgrade" and everything listed as including "Kingdom Death Monster 1.5 Update Pack" is for people that already have Kingdom Death: Monster from the previous Kickstarter and just want the extra stuff and updated rules. You do not qualify and should ignore this. It's useless unless you have the old version of the game.

The "Lantern" pledge level and everything listed as including "Kingdom Death: Monster Core Game 1.5" is what you should be interested in. This is the base game updated to its 1.5 ruleset.
You're interested in this.

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Then there are a bunch of expansions and add-ons. All of these are completely and utterly optional.

There is a thing called a "Gambler's Chest" full of completely optional narrative sculptures and micro expansions that add very small things. This is what the dice rolls are for. The "Gold Lantern" and other pledge levels with the Gambler's Chest add this.

There are a bunch of expansions that you can pledge for separately or as part of a bundle in its own pledge.

There are also a bunch of pinups and promos that aren't even expansions. The pinups are just sexy minis. The promos have some very minor rules. Some pledge levels include all these in a bundle.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Professor_Plum wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Professor_Plum wrote:
I'm interested in KD, but I don't know. $250 seems insane for a board game.

For that price you could basically buy every book for DND and set up as many campaigns as you want. Is there really that much that the box has to offer?

As popular as KD:M seems, it's really still not for everyone.

You're not only getting a game, but you're getting a lot of rather well-sculpted miniatures as well. Hop in if you're in for a D&D-like campaign without a DM and you're into miniatures (painting, collecting, whatever).

You can buy a bunch of D&D sourcebooks, but then you also need a player to DM, encounters to be hopefully balanced, and a story everyone can agree on. For KD:M, the game is its own DM.

So how do the pledge levels work? The entire page honestly is so full of random pledge amounts and rewards that it's hard to really comprehend it all. Is there a difference between KD 1 and 1.5? Is there an edition on the kickstarter that is recommended for people who might just be getting into it? What would that included? Etc.

In a nutshell:

KD 1 is the original game from the previous kickstarter. Now obsolete. KD 1.5 is the updated rules and some new stuff. KD 1.5 will now be the base game.

The "Lantern Upgrade" and everything listed as including "Kingdom Death Monster 1.5 Update Pack" is for people that already have Kingdom Death: Monster from the previous Kickstarter and just want the extra stuff and updated rules. You do not qualify and should ignore this. It's useless unless you have the old version of the game.

The "Lantern" pledge level and everything listed as including "Kingdom Death: Monster Core Game 1.5" is what you should be interested in. This is the base game updated to its 1.5 ruleset.
You're interested in this.

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Then there are a bunch of expansions and add-ons. All of these are completely and utterly optional.

There is a thing called a "Gambler's Chest" full of completely optional narrative sculptures and micro expansions that add very small things. This is what the dice rolls are for. The "Gold Lantern" and other pledge levels with the Gambler's Chest add this.

There are a bunch of expansions that you can pledge for separately or as part of a bundle in its own pledge.

There are also a bunch of pinups and promos that aren't even expansions. The pinups are just sexy minis. The promos have some very minor rules. Some pledge levels include all these in a bundle.

Ah, so it's probably worth looking at the Lantern/Gold Lantern and deciding if the Gambler's chest would be worth it.

On a side note, does the Lantern/Gold lantern come with the expansion? The image for the first hero doesn't mention either, but the pledge level indicates that it would be included with anything listed above it. (IE Silver lantern)

Lantern comes with just the v1.5 base game and nothing else.

Gold Lantern comes with the base v1.5 game and all the miscellaneous Gamber's Chest goodies that have been inveiled across the updates. It's $100 more. There are no "Expansions"

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Also, there is no "the" expansion. There are a lot of expansions with almost each kickstarter update highlighting one new expansion and one old expansion. For example, the most recent update highlighted a new $50 "Inverted Mountain Expansion" and a reprint of the old $15 "Green Knight Armor" expansion. You pick and choose what suits your fancy.

You up your pledge accordingly. For example, if you want the recent "Inverted Mountain Expansion" and the base game only, you pledge at the Lantern level for $250 and up your pledge to $300 to accommodate for the one specific expansion you want.

Personally, I find it best to wait until the end for everything to be unveiled and pick-and-choose expansions then. Not confirmed yet, but after the kickstarter ends, there will likely be a Pledge Manager where you can up your pledge amount for the expansions you want and shipping.

BoardGameGeek also has a KD:M forum with an FAQ.

KD:M is a dark boardgame, so if you're looking for a roleplaying game, stick with the roleplaying games.

EDIT: Speaking of BoW, their Re-Roll digital magazine has a good introduction to KD:M. The download is free!: http://www.beastsofwar.com/monster/reroll-free-kd-monster-backers/

Some expansions also have other campaigns I still think if your on the fence go see the first handful of beast of war play kingdom death

Merry Christmas and the Christmas update.

MERRY XMAS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

YEAHHHHHHH!!!!

HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE!!!!!!!!

The boy chose the Axe! He truly is an Axermen!
1.5 Core Game Rulebook artwork will be updated to replace the sword with an axe.

The Axermen Family is added to the Gambler's Chest!

And for my selected TwithGameNight Reward....

IF YOU DON'T EAT UNTIL YOU WANT TO DIE YOUR DOING IT WRONG!!!!!

So to be clear, am I right in thinking there will be a pledge manager and I will be able to add extra monies after the ks closes? (I'm trying to spread the cost across 2 pay checks)