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Hey, new Tau models!

 warboss wrote:
No news on the Kickstarter specifically but a friend messaged me that they posted pics of some of the minis on facebook. The bases are apparently 40mm (aka 40k terminator bases) and they'll be coming out in plastic.

Those look awesome, now as long as the game doesn't suck (palladium system), this might just be good. Wish the veritechs transformed though

Well then.

My money.

It hurts.

Hard to tell, but they look to be bigger than Battletech, perhaps closer to the size of the 10mm Mechwarrior figs that I've rebased for use in several games.

When they seemed to be in BT scale I was considering a few just for nostalgia's sake. However if they compare well to Mechwarrior scale than I'm going to be buying more than I planned....

Wasp, Stinger, Warhammer, Rifleman in 10mm?
Yes Please!

Well, they said that the bases are 40mm so they're likely the size of the large mech clix figs. The big thing for me would be the amount of posablility of the veritechs.

Battletech =/= Robotech.

The Battletech Marauder, for instance, is WAYYYY too small. Remember, a Zentraedi comfortabily pilots a Glaug... and Zentraedi are about the size of a Valkyrie in Battloid mode.

 warboss wrote:
Well, they said that the bases are 40mm so they're likely the size of the large mech clix figs. The big thing for me would be the amount of posablility of the veritechs.

You're might be right about the size. As an example, here's a few 10mm Mechwarrior mechs based on 45mm hexes




Though looking at these, it does seem now that maybe they'll be in between 10mm and 6mm?

Here's some regular 6mm battletech figures. Ttey tend to be mounted on 30mm bases, like so:


I'll wait until some comparison shots or pics with a ruler show up as I'm not totally sure I can trust my own eyes in this case.

 judgedoug wrote:
Battletech =/= Robotech.

The Battletech Marauder, for instance, is WAYYYY too small. Remember, a Zentraedi comfortabily pilots a Glaug... and Zentraedi are about the size of a Valkyrie in Battloid mode.

I think you're missing the point and refuting something no one is claiming. Unless I'm mistaken, Eilif was referring to the real life size of the figs not the mechs themselves in their respective universes and I was referencing commonly available and familiar minis that I suspect are the same size roughtly.


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Eilif wrote:

You're might be right about the size. As an example, here's a few mechs based on 45mm hexes

It's an educated guess on my part but a guess nonetheless. The bases are supposedly 40mm circular and the models look taller than modern 40k terminators but maybe slightly shorter than the metal battletech minis you posted. I doubt we'll see the comparison pics or figs next to rulers until the kickstarter comes out and only then if people specifically make a point of asking for it. If the glass cases at GAMA are anything like those at Gencon and Origins, attendees don't get to handle the minis themselves outside of the case. That may be different though with the more select clientele of that particular con (store owners).

Theophony wrote:

 warboss wrote:
No news on the Kickstarter specifically but a friend messaged me that they posted pics of some of the minis on facebook. The bases are apparently 40mm (aka 40k terminator bases) and they'll be coming out in plastic.

Those look awesome, now as long as the game doesn't suck (palladium system), this might just be good. Wish the veritechs transformed though

I would buy it to use in a Robotech RPG, non Palladium. Hell, they would be fun just to paint!

 warboss wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Battletech =/= Robotech.

The Battletech Marauder, for instance, is WAYYYY too small. Remember, a Zentraedi comfortabily pilots a Glaug... and Zentraedi are about the size of a Valkyrie in Battloid mode.

I think you're missing the point and refuting something no one is claiming. Unless I'm mistaken, Eilif was referring to the real life size of the figs not the mechs themselves in their respective universes and I was referencing commonly available and familiar minis that I suspect are the same size roughtly.

I was saying that, in 1/285 scale, while a Marauder in Battletech might be 50mm tall, a Glaug would be like 65mm tall. So I doubt the mecha will be that compatible with Battletech.

Who cares if the game is good or not?!?! To have good Macross miniatures is worth it, there's plenty of games to use them in. As to the Battletech scale or not, just use the hexless scale and play 1st edition match-ups. We've always just played 3025 anyways.

-K

Theophony wrote:

 warboss wrote:
No news on the Kickstarter specifically but a friend messaged me that they posted pics of some of the minis on facebook. The bases are apparently 40mm (aka 40k terminator bases) and they'll be coming out in plastic.

Those look awesome, now as long as the game doesn't suck (palladium system), this might just be good. Wish the veritechs transformed though

Hopefully they'll have pics for the MAC III and the Regault TBP pretty soon.

I think the smallest transforming Veritech I've found was 3" tall, and it was very, very flimsy. There's generally sacrifices that have to be made between transformation and sculpt accuracy.

They're usng the Japanese names...

Interesting.

My opinion of the projest just rose.

Well those look amazing.

The Destroids look about perfect size for regular battletech. If those are 40mm bases then they stand approx 50mm tall. Hard to judge given the angle but it looks very close. The Original Battletech Warhammer (Tomahawk) stands about 50mm tall. If they are 60 it would be even better given the scale creep over the last 20 years. Either way they are going to be close enough to use. The Valkyries and Glaug will be too large. Which is ok by me. Awesome looking Warhammers are all I wanted out of this. Bonus given for the rest of the Destroids.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
They're usng the Japanese names...

Interesting.

My opinion of the projest just rose.

Yeah, they've been doing that for a while. I picked up the RPG macross book when it came out and they use them there if I recall as well. That was actually one of the few notable changes they made as the rules were still pretty much the stale palladium ones from the 80's.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
They're usng the Japanese names...

Interesting.

My opinion of the projest just rose.

The Japanese names were used in Robotech, too. They're the official Robotech names. They're even used in the Robotech cartoon. http://www.robotech.com/infopedia/mecha/

For some reason Matchbox invented names for the toys, and then Palladium used the Matchbox invented names for the RPG. They've always been wrong and only used in those two instances.

 warboss wrote:
No news on the Kickstarter specifically but a friend messaged me that they posted pics of some of the minis on facebook. The bases are apparently 40mm (aka 40k terminator bases) and they'll be coming out in plastic.

Those are cool looking minis. I would definately try to get some and proxy them into other games.

Like Tau Crisis suits? If they retail for less than 25$ a piece, we might have a winner.

At that size my guess is $10 to $12 each for grunts, a bit more for named guys I'm sure. Any more than that and I'll put them in the 'as or more expensive than GW' category.

Justyn wrote:At that size my guess is $10 to $12 each for grunts, a bit more for named guys I'm sure. Any more than that and I'll put them in the 'as or more expensive than GW' category.

I highly doubt it. I'd expect it to be closer to the Relic Knight line in price as they're roughly similar in size. The Robotech stuff is smaller on average it seems (can't say for certain) but they also have to pay a licensing fee to Harmony Gold and a cut of the profits to Palladium that will likely drive up the price. While I hope they don't pull the GW bs of charging more for a character than a standard model, I'd expect the minis shown so far to go for around $18-20 each depending on size with some of the larger not-yet displayed Zentraedi ones going for up to $25 each.

I don't see the appeal in robotech. Macross is way better.

 Ledabot wrote:
I don't see the appeal in robotech. Macross is way better.

Then get the macross only minis. I'm not seeing how the above can be read as much more than trolling frankly.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Like Tau Crisis suits? If they retail for less than 25$ a piece, we might have a winner.

Too small for suits. :( At 1/285th they are close to 50mm which puts them at shoulder height with a crisis suit but the main thing is that the body proportion are much smaller than a suit. Even if it were driven by Tau midgets it'd probably be a stretch to visualize anybody fitting in one.

However the old Macross - Nichimo 1/200 scale kits would fit well. Most of the veritechs can be found for under $10 in ebay and you get two kits per box, meaning you can have $5 models to mess around with. (instead of GW's $25)


Differance between 1/285th and 1/200 The Battletech mini on the far left is roughly the scale that the new robotech minis will be, the crusader is 50mm to top of the head. The Nichimo kits are larger than the Tau suits but they are dirt cheap and can be modified very easily.

I highly doubt it. I'd expect it to be closer to the Relic Knight line in price as they're roughly similar in size. The Robotech stuff is smaller on average it seems (can't say for certain) but they also have to pay a licensing fee to Harmony Gold and a cut of the profits to Palladium that will likely drive up the price. While I hope they don't pull the GW bs of charging more for a character than a standard model, I'd expect the minis shown so far to go for around $18-20 each depending on size with some of the larger not-yet displayed Zentraedi ones going for up to $25 each.

For models slightly larger than Terminators in plastic, this seems pricey. Their Relic Knights are $12ish metal model or $20 for some of their larger models, pricey but not unreasonable for a well sculpted metal model. These, while larger, are also going to be plastic which is significantly cheaper.

Justyn wrote:

For models slightly larger than Terminators in plastic, this seems pricey. Their Relic Knights are $12ish metal model or $20 for some of their larger models, pricey but not unreasonable for a well sculpted metal model. These, while larger, are also going to be plastic which is significantly cheaper.

Don't get me wrong.. I do hope you're right... I just don't think it's likely unfortunately. They're not billing this as a value brand of minis and previously (albeit months back) said they'll be charging prices comparable to other premium lines or some such so I don't think they're in a race for the bottom dollar cost.

Oh I don't expect them to be cheap. But I don't expect GW prices either. Either way I'll be buying some, the question is how much.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
They're usng the Japanese names...

Interesting.

My opinion of the projest just rose.

The Japanese names were used in Robotech, too. They're the official Robotech names. They're even used in the Robotech cartoon. http://www.robotech.com/infopedia/mecha/

For some reason Matchbox invented names for the toys, and then Palladium used the Matchbox invented names for the RPG. They've always been wrong and only used in those two instances.

Looking at my tattered 23year old rpg book...

To be fair, Palladium always acknowledged the dual names, both in the mech entries within the rule book and the "Japanimation sidenotes" at the end. Since I don't think anyone in the entire series refers to the destriods by name at any time it's fairly easy to see why they would have chosen the "common" names within the North American market for identifying the destroids.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
They're usng the Japanese names...

Interesting.

My opinion of the projest just rose.

The Japanese names were used in Robotech, too. They're the official Robotech names. They're even used in the Robotech cartoon. http://www.robotech.com/infopedia/mecha/

For some reason Matchbox invented names for the toys, and then Palladium used the Matchbox invented names for the RPG. They've always been wrong and only used in those two instances.

Huh did not know that. Learn something every day,

On the TMP forum one of the palladium followers mentioned that the game would be priced comperable to "other big box games". I'm not sure what games thats in reference to. If it's GW games then it'll probably be pretty costly. The same post suggested that it'll be around $120 for the box. No idea what the total model count will be, although it seems like it's patterned a bit after GW's battlebox set up. I'm not certain on that as its all second hand info without much solid detail.

More vagueness to go along with your vagueness...from Palladium:

The final details of the Robotech® RPG Tactics™ box set and expansion kits are still being hammered out at this time. They will conform to industry standards for pricing and packaging. A 2013 release.

I would guess that they are looking at the boutique tabletop/board game price points. Something along the lines of FFG's Dust Tactics - so $100 or so for the core game and "Boosters" in the $15-25 range.