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 MrDwhitey wrote:
It is such a terrible shame that these young stars have had such promising careers ruined.

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 Cheesecat wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
One year? That is a slap on the wrist.
Oh well, they will never get a job bcause of this. It is all over the internet and a quick google search from their employers will find some nice stuff.

I disagree I think one year is enough that's 365 days or 8765.81 hours that's a really long time to be living in such a restrictive environment and think about your mistakes.

I 've sat in on such a case where the assailant was interrupted and didn't get beyond removing the panties of his intended victim. He was convicted and sentenced, but being a juvenile, didn't get a cut and dried sentence. He would come back to court every 90 days with an evaluation report to see if he could be released or go back for another 90 days. I was sitting in the waiting area when he came in with his psycologist, who sat down not 8 feet from me and started talking to the boy's mother, informing her that her son was headbutting people at the place where he was being held. In the courtroom, the psycologist mentioned none of this to the judge, but was giving a glowing report of the great progress made by the boy. I felt compelled to let the judge know of the conversation I heard outside, because it seemed like she was ready to set the boy loose. That put the hooks on his early release right there.
It does make me wonder if these boys are going to get the same soft sell treatment when their evaluations come up. I can tell you that a year for what they did is a pretty short time to reverse the ideas they have been 16 years or so developing.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
It is such a terrible shame that these young stars have had such promising careers ruined.

I think the worst thing here is there are going to be people who truly believe something along the line I posted.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/17/cnn-grieves-that-guilty-verdict-ruined-promising-lives-of-steubenville-rapists/

 MrDwhitey wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
It is such a terrible shame that these young stars have had such promising careers ruined.

I think the worst thing here is there are going to be people who truly believe something along the line I posted.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/17/cnn-grieves-that-guilty-verdict-ruined-promising-lives-of-steubenville-rapists/

Please tell me that was an onion style article I just read from your link.

Their career's were ruined when they commited the crime. just being accused of rape carries a heavy stigma as well. The Guilty verdict is really just icing on crapcake.

The only shame is that they ruined the victim's life, and at the same time their careers.

Why the hell does anyone give a single crap about their careers? They raped someone.

 MrDwhitey wrote:

I think the worst thing here is there are going to be people who truly believe something along the line I posted.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/17/cnn-grieves-that-guilty-verdict-ruined-promising-lives-of-steubenville-rapists/

I used to have a lot of time for CNN, over the course of the last election's ridiculous hyping, the holo-guests, the cutting of the foreign reporting, the firing of Soledad O and now this (oh Candy... really?) I think they are a manure peddling crapfest these days, little better than Fox.

 Soladrin wrote:
Why the hell does anyone give a single crap about their careers? They raped someone.

We care about what could have been.

Had they not raped this girl, they could have had a go at the big leagues. Its a shame to have lost that.

Do I feel sorry for them? Hell no. They're getting what they deserve for such a horrible crime.

Relapse wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
One year? That is a slap on the wrist.
Oh well, they will never get a job bcause of this. It is all over the internet and a quick google search from their employers will find some nice stuff.

I disagree I think one year is enough that's 365 days or 8765.81 hours that's a really long time to be living in such a restrictive environment and think about your mistakes.

I 've sat in on such a case where the assailant was interrupted and didn't get beyond removing the panties of his intended victim. He was convicted and sentenced, but being a juvenile, didn't get a cut and dried sentence. He would come back to court every 90 days with an evaluation report to see if he could be released or go back for another 90 days. I was sitting in the waiting area when he came in with his psycologist, who sat down not 8 feet from me and started talking to the boy's mother, informing her that her son was headbutting people at the place where he was being held. In the courtroom, the psycologist mentioned none of this to the judge, but was giving a glowing report of the great progress made by the boy. I felt compelled to let the judge know of the conversation I heard outside, because it seemed like she was ready to set the boy loose. That put the hooks on his early release right there.
It does make me wonder if these boys are going to get the same soft sell treatment when their evaluations come up. I can tell you that a year for what they did is a pretty short time to reverse the ideas they have been 16 years or so developing.

I disagree I think a whole year of feeling powerless has profound psychological impacts on people and is definitely not soft treatment.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
It is such a terrible shame that these young stars have had such promising careers ruined.

And no mention of their victim?

I wouldn't conflate someone feeling a slight pang of regret over these guy's lost careers with approving of their actions. Or seeing them in any way blameless.

Nobody is condoning their actions here.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Nobody is condoning their actions here.

It may not be that person's intentions, but when your first post is sympathetic to the perpetrators for the consequences that their actions have on "these young stars", and not the victim, it doesn't read well.

It should be quite obvious I was being sarcastic when I then provided where I got that line from.

I mean, even MGS got it!

Sarcasm doesn't read well on the internet. Especially when you don't give your source until a few posts after.

So what you're saying is, you didn't bother to read the whole thread before posting?

You mean this whole thing that I read and replied too?

 MrDwhitey wrote:
It is such a terrible shame that these young stars have had such promising careers ruined.

I didn't get to post it straight away because something else in real life needed attention, and didn't feel the need to have to re-read the thread just before I post every comment in case something has changed.

 MrDwhitey wrote:

I mean, even MGS got it!

You're on thin fething ice, my pedigree chum...

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
You mean this whole thing that I read and replied too?

 MrDwhitey wrote:
It is such a terrible shame that these young stars have had such promising careers ruined.

I didn't get to post it straight away because something else in real life needed attention, and didn't feel the need to have to re-read the thread just before I post every comment in case something has changed.

There was a gap of 45mins between the source post you missed and your first post.

If you miss something that was posted 5mins before you did, then fair enough, you could've still been writing it, but if you come back and expect nothing more to have been said after at least 45mins on a fairly fast-moving thread in the OT then it's your own fault.

 MrDwhitey wrote:


I think the worst thing here is there are going to be people who truly believe something along the line I posted.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/17/cnn-grieves-that-guilty-verdict-ruined-promising-lives-of-steubenville-rapists/

"My life is over, no one is going to want me now"

Uttered by one of the guilty, which accurately reflects exactly how many rape victims feel after being violated. Bit of a change from those videos when they were laughing and joking about taking advantage of her.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:


I think the worst thing here is there are going to be people who truly believe something along the line I posted.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/17/cnn-grieves-that-guilty-verdict-ruined-promising-lives-of-steubenville-rapists/

"My life is over, no one is going to want me now"

Uttered by one of the guilty, which accurately reflects exactly how many rape victims feel after being violated. Bit of a change from those videos when they were laughing and joking about taking advantage of her.

Indeed, the change being they got caught.

Because if this had not come to pass, they would still be sending video of the abuse to each other and likely plotting their next crime.

Dreadclaw69 wrote:You mean this whole thing that I read and replied too?

 MrDwhitey wrote:
It is such a terrible shame that these young stars have had such promising careers ruined.

I didn't get to post it straight away because something else in real life needed attention, and didn't feel the need to have to re-read the thread just before I post every comment in case something has changed.

It's ok Dreadclaw, we all make mistakes, and it can be hard to admit it. Normally what people do is say "Feth, my bad " and we can all be happy. Go on, try it!

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:

I mean, even MGS got it!

You're on thin fething ice, my pedigree chum...

Spoiler:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im just going to say it ... "Some girls rape easy." The fact that she was intoxicated and therefore incapable of legally offering consent just furthers that point. Ive known one or two "rapists" who really did nothing wrong other than sleep with a rather willing drunk teenage girl who changed her mind about things the next morning.

No, women have exactly the same right to go out to a party, enjoy it, drink too much, party too much and wake up the next morning with a headache as a man.

You're touting the same horse gak as 'she wore a short skirt so she deserves it'. No means fething no. You do not sanctions the attack, humiliation and abuse of a young woman because she had the audacity to go out and drink beer, we aren't in fething Saudi Arabia.

You comment is juvenile, misogynistic and repugnant. I hope you might one day leave the 15th century but until that time, welcome to ignore.If this upsets you, go have a beer or two with your 'rapist' buddies, just be careful they don't bugger you and remember if they do, you brought it on yourself by consuming alcohol.

1. Nowhere did I state that they Were my friends.
2. Nowhere did I state the word "No" was used.

In fact, in one case I witnessed one said drunk girl quite willingly make out and put her hands down said male "rapists " pants at a party before taking him by the hand and leading him upstairs. While sober the girl usually thought said guy repugnant (not that I blame her), apparently she changed her mind after a few beers. A couple weeks later she was claiming he raped her to her friends, and did a number on his reputation (he was actually a fairly nice guy) and almost had him dismissed from service until one of HER friends came forward and told the truth.

I also dated a girl who claimed she was raped by a fellow student several times over several consecutive days. As it turns out she confessed to me during our breakup that she was in fact a liar and a cheat and just wanted to sleep around without suffering any consequences.

So, kindly go gak yourself.

To be clear, I have no knowledge of this particular case and know nothing of it other than "drunk girl claims rape by high school football players)", my original post was intended to put different perspective on the discussion, just because a trial finds someone guilty of a crime doesn't mean they actually were, yet the assumption has been made that this is the case. You say I'm blaming the victim (which Im not by the way), how can you be so sure that you arent blaming the real victims?

Well in this case Chaos there's video of these knuckle draggers tossing this girl around like a rag doll, mocking her clearly passed out form, etc. So I think we can safely say these two gentlemen are not on the wrong side of an evil and manipulative woman here.

Interesting when coming to a discussion and not knowing any of the facts, someone's first response is skepticism over the verdict because 'some girls rape easy'. 'Put different perspective on the discussion', my ass, it's obvious where your default position lies on these sorts of cases.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Well in this case Chaos there's video of these knuckle draggers tossing this girl around like a rag doll, mocking her clearly passed out form, etc. So I think we can safely say these two gentlemen are not on the wrong side of an evil and manipulative woman here.

Yeahhh..... so after bothering to look the case up and educate myself about its particukars, all I can say is "open mouth, insert foot". My bad, argument retracted.... *awkward*

@Howard, get off your horse please, you dont know me or anything about me. Unless youre implying my default position is to assume that everyone else is overreacting and giving into mass hysteria, youre wrong.

Well, this case has kinda been plastered all over the media. Its odd you wouldn't have heard anything about it.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im just going to say it ... "Some girls rape easy." The fact that she was intoxicated and therefore incapable of legally offering consent just furthers that point. Ive known one or two "rapists" who really did nothing wrong other than sleep with a rather willing drunk teenage girl who changed her mind about things the next morning.

No, women have exactly the same right to go out to a party, enjoy it, drink too much, party too much and wake up the next morning with a headache as a man.

You're touting the same horse gak as 'she wore a short skirt so she deserves it'. No means fething no. You do not sanctions the attack, humiliation and abuse of a young woman because she had the audacity to go out and drink beer, we aren't in fething Saudi Arabia.

You comment is juvenile, misogynistic and repugnant. I hope you might one day leave the 15th century but until that time, welcome to ignore.If this upsets you, go have a beer or two with your 'rapist' buddies, just be careful they don't bugger you and remember if they do, you brought it on yourself by consuming alcohol.

I can't exalt this post enough.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Well, this case has kinda been plastered all over the media. Its odd you wouldn't have heard anything about it.

Errr was it? Honestly I havent heard a thing about it, I only really pay attention to the media regarding national/international affairs, dont really care much to hear about the latest sensationalized criminal case

*sigh* glad this thread got off to a good start...

What happened is a shame, a young girl has to live with this for the rest of her life, two young men completely ruined their lives because they committed a horrible act of stupidity...

MGS, while I'm not arguing your point that a woman has just as much right to go out and get drunk as a guy and wake up with just a headache, these were kids, and these kids shouldn't have been drinking to begin with :-\. But I'm sure I'll be called a callous donkey-cave for saying that.

Thats actually up for debate... legally of course you are correct, but socially speaking the US is pretty repressed regarding alcohol laws