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 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
So am I right in thinking this has neither news nor rumors in it?

No.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Maybe Sisters aren't getting updated just because GW couldn't think of any big monsters or flyers to give them that just wouldn't look silly? I mean too silly even for them.

After the Dark Talon, that's not a problem

ammp wrote:
TL;DR the above.
Sisters and Black Templar MAY get updates, but we all know GW is a business, and a mass investment in 2 under performing lines that they can fold in to others? NO THANKYOU.

Well duh, obviously lines that don't get updated underperform compared to those that do get updated. From what I've heard BT were massively popular when they first were introduced (and even being on the 3rd Edition rulebook cover). Now it's like 7,5 years since BT has been updated, so is it any wonder any new players will go for the more recently updated marines instead? Except me, as I when I started buying in July I ended up getting BT stuff before I had any idea of the rules and age of codices or whatever. I don't regret it, because BT are cool, but I reckon I'm more the exception than the rule in this case.

Sisters are in a similar place. While they might not be as popular as any marine codex, I'm sure they'd sell a fair bit if there were plastic kits for them instead of the ridiculously expensive metal models. I know I'd get myself some Sisters if the price wasn't so high.

Still, BT rumors haven't been and still aren't in any way anything but a massive pile of salt. So many contradictory things flying around that it's a case of we'll see when we see. IF they do get rolled into C:SM that's not necessarily a disaster, as long as they manage to keep the "BT style" alive. And I'll be getting the new SM codex anyway for my C:SM contingent.

Who else is not surprised by no sisters?

It's just logical marketing. Nobody plays Sisters of Sandwiches. Yeah, a few do and those few are vocal on forums, but given the greater perspective, nobody does. Yes, one reason is them being uber-expensive. And models looking ridiculously ugly (generic troopers with dat hair...). But why would you waste time and effort on a codex for an army nobody plays anyway? I strongly doubt that it would pay off sales-wise and thus, Sisters are better off being left alone. Either remove them or just make another WD codex.

Sisters gets no love anyway, so for GW it really hits the back burner. Kind of feeds a vicious cycle when all models are squirreled away in warehouses, the only legal codex is out of print, and people have to pay full retail price to get any models.

I think I will actually cry if Templars are not seperated, or atleast if they become a generic chapter. TBH if they will no longer have their special flavour, I will most probably sell and give up for a while, although I have a chaos army, my main guys and favourite chapter is the Templars and getting rid of what makes them special would toss me out the game. :(

 Snrub wrote:
The only gaps the IG codex really needs filled are
- Updated Rough Riders.
- Various Artillery (Medusa, Collosus, Griffon).
- Psyker Battle Squad

Kits that would be good but not essential.
- Hydra (this can be mitigated by slapping an ADL quadgun on a chimera)
- Veteran squad w/all the bells and whistles.


Also considering that the IG dex is still going strong there are plenty of other armies that could benefit from an update before we do.

What the IG need is a plastic troops box that isn't awful. The current plastics are the way they are because the technology required it at the time, but the technology has advanced, and "lulz heroic scale" is wearing pretty thin as an excuse these days when you have FW's "actually heroic instead of man-dwarf scale" and several other companies putting out much better proportioned plastic infantry. I know we're not likely to get that given GW's current "effort? whuzzat?" business strategy, but one can dream.

ammp wrote:


Good business sense dictates the above, and if GW is anything, they're good "on the surface" business folk... If you think otherwise, you're a keyboard warrior.

Sisters and Black Templar MAY get updates, but we all know GW is a business, and a mass investment in 2 under performing lines that they can fold in to others? NO THANKYOU.

Learn business, move on. get over it, play 3rd party, whatever.

And if you think GW has good business sense, you're an Armchair Accountant. Seriously, you have to admire the mass-brainwashing neo-liberal financiers have pulled on people over the last thirty years, they've managed to convince most people that "short-termist profit making at any cost in service of personal enrichment" is the only definition of "good business".

As for a mass investment in an under-perfoming line; what, like Dark Eldar, who went from virtually non-existent to one of the company's strongest selling lines? Hell, I wouldn't even object to seeing BT rolled into the main Marine 'dex and Sisters as part of the supposed Allies supplement, I just think your entire premise is faulty.


Also, Kroothawk, I must know where that amazing mobile cathedral is from(the last of your images); is there a construction thread about anywhere?

That is the "yin-yang" of GW product lines. Dark Eldar was a huge hit, but the LOTR slide into the miserable Hobbit sales was almost a given. It seems like they just plod along with little heed to what people are buying or playing.

 Kroothawk wrote:

75hastings69 wrote:

MajorWesJanson wrote:Tau are next, then Eldar. Sisters, Templars, Orks, and probably Nids need books before IG does. .......

Not quite, remove sisters & Templars...... replace with SM & IG....... Although the order of them might be mixed up a bit

Oops my mistake, I thought you were listing the order, then I realised you were listing codex that need updating before IG ....... still a little further look ahead in the future of 40k never did any harm did it?

MiyamatoMusashi wrote:I was under the impression it was Tau, Eldar, Orks, SM, Nids, then Guard?

Move the orks

75hastings69 on faeit212 wrote:I suppose I could tell you there are some new units....... but that would be a bit too vague. Hmmm, expect rhino variants, and also a new "suit" smaller than a dread but bigger than a termie. Will that do to start the rumours off?

Natfka wrote:I would imagine a new rhino variant could include a new combined box set of the rhino/razorback/variant or some combination of them?

Two new varients, afaik the current boxes remain unchanged.
SoB.... not on my radar. Templars could well be headed back to the big book.

Templars back in the SM book makes me a sad panda.

Could be, I'm not 100% on this.
(...)
Eldar, new flier, characters and a new uber wraith guard thingy.
(...)
LOADS of stuff for IG

So it's

Tau
Eldar
Space Marines
(Orks?)
Tyranids
(Orks?)
Guard
(Orks?)
(Question mark means, I don't know what Hastings means, not that Hastings doesn't know )

Why no un-Imperial year? ( sorry if un-Imperial doesn't exist. )

I Don't need Space Marines..

Guard has some missing kits and a lot of possibilities in their range of uniforms, but a new dex?
Space Marines are fine with their traditional : Scout armor , power armor, TDA and dread. There is no hole to fill .
"suits" .. unneccessary.
Rhino based variants however seem an easy add-on. Is anything missing? Any weapon not mounted on a rhino chassis? No?

Could see the BT "white dwarfed". But dear GW... We BT fans are not interested in MC's or toyish kits like chibi-designs and dreaded knights!
Maybe the SoB like a flying cathedral or two. Or a oversized penitent engine. Or a chance to have a real codex again.
So:

Tau
Eldar
Orks / Tyranids
a few boxes of Guard spread in
SoB return
BT kept

is all I want.

I woudlnt complain about an actual dread knight but I just want updated rules really, couldnt give a toss about new models for BT, all we need is updated fury and zealotry.

I can see Sisters getting the DE treatment. Eventually.

The fact is that Sisters as they stand don't have a hugely varied model line. It's basically just Nuns with Space Marine weapons and vehicles.

They need a huge DE style rethink which is probably going on at the moment.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Well with them putting the kabash into bitz sellers, it's going to be hard to field a bona fide Vendetta.

Why is this? Does the Vendetta kit not come with enough... lascannons or something? Just curious...

Flashman- If they're getting that treatment, it's way down the road, seemingly... i.e. not in 2014...

 RiTides wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Well with them putting the kabash into bitz sellers, it's going to be hard to field a bona fide Vendetta.

Why is this? Does the Vendetta kit not come with enough... lascannons or something? Just curious...

Flashman- If they're getting that treatment, it's way down the road, seemingly... i.e. not in 2014...

There is no Vendetta kit. The Valkyrie kit only comes with 1 Lascannon.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Well with them putting the kabash into bitz sellers, it's going to be hard to field a bona fide Vendetta.

My heart weeps

Got it, thanks! I'll probably be getting an alternate model for one anyway, when I get my Dreamforge stormtroopers... err, I mean IG allies together

I swear to god, if GW releases another SM Codex before they release my new Orks, I'm going to fly down to their HQ and leave a flaming bag of dookie outside their front door and ring the doorbell.

Harry wrote:

Sami wrote:So: Tau (now), Eldar, SM or IG, SM or IG, Orks, Tyranids.

Thats seems to be about the size of it

I personally thought they were re-doing all of the current 4th edition codexes before moving onto the 5th ones

I keep on saying they are not doing that anymore.

Surprised the Ork book isn't going to get an update sooner

They got loads last time around and Seb is busy with other things.

(Sisters got a 5th WD update whether you liked it or not

NOT! I swear they started these right after Grey knights.

and god-knows what's going on with BT),

Hastings knows.

Sigvatr wrote:It's just logical marketing. Nobody plays Sisters of Sandwiches.

Actually it isn't. Wood Elves and Dark Eldar were niche ugly armies before the last release, but proved tremendously popular after a well done re-release. Most people already have Space Marines, so would buy only a flyer or two. You get more money out of a full new release with many people starting a new army.

1hadhq wrote:Why no un-Imperial year? ( sorry if un-Imperial doesn't exist. )

We never get closer to a non-Imperial year than now, just start counting with February.

Yodhrin wrote:Also, Kroothawk, I must know where that amazing mobile cathedral is from(the last of your images); is there a construction thread about anywhere?

Couldn't find it on the internet, just saved a long time ago on my hard drive. But here two other views. Seems a straight forward conversion using 2 baneblades and a load of City of Death tiles.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Who else is not surprised by no sisters?

It's just logical marketing. Nobody plays Sisters of Sandwiches. Yeah, a few do and those few are vocal on forums, but given the greater perspective, nobody does. Yes, one reason is them being uber-expensive. And models looking ridiculously ugly (generic troopers with dat hair...). But why would you waste time and effort on a codex for an army nobody plays anyway? I strongly doubt that it would pay off sales-wise and thus, Sisters are better off being left alone. Either remove them or just make another WD codex.

Well, Necrons and Dark Eldar were in a similar boat as well.

 Sasori wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Who else is not surprised by no sisters?

It's just logical marketing. Nobody plays Sisters of Sandwiches. Yeah, a few do and those few are vocal on forums, but given the greater perspective, nobody does. Yes, one reason is them being uber-expensive. And models looking ridiculously ugly (generic troopers with dat hair...). But why would you waste time and effort on a codex for an army nobody plays anyway? I strongly doubt that it would pay off sales-wise and thus, Sisters are better off being left alone. Either remove them or just make another WD codex.

Well, Necrons and Dark Eldar were in a similar boat as well.

Purely anecdotal sure, But i've never seen Sisters as a full army on the table in all my years gaming, the odd unit in Inquisitor lists, but never as an army itself.

If they get a big revamp and release, Great for them, but it's no major loss, same with BT being rolled into SM codex, sure we have old quotes and statements, saying no one willl ever get 'squatted' but this is GW, do you really expect that statement to last or stay true?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Well with them putting the kabash into bitz sellers, it's going to be hard to field a bona fide Vendetta.

Why is this? Does the Vendetta kit not come with enough... lascannons or something? Just curious...

Flashman- If they're getting that treatment, it's way down the road, seemingly... i.e. not in 2014...

There is no Vendetta kit. The Valkyrie kit only comes with 1 Lascannon.

There is a Vendetta kit - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Navy/VALKYRIE_VENDETTA_CONVERSION_KIT.html

 GiraffeX wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Well with them putting the kabash into bitz sellers, it's going to be hard to field a bona fide Vendetta.

Why is this? Does the Vendetta kit not come with enough... lascannons or something? Just curious...

Flashman- If they're getting that treatment, it's way down the road, seemingly... i.e. not in 2014...

There is no Vendetta kit. The Valkyrie kit only comes with 1 Lascannon.

There is a Vendetta kit - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Navy/VALKYRIE_VENDETTA_CONVERSION_KIT.html

That's a conversion kit, but yes, it's easy to get enough lascannons. The Valkyrie still doesn't have more than one lascannon though.

 Sasori wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Who else is not surprised by no sisters?

It's just logical marketing. Nobody plays Sisters of Sandwiches. Yeah, a few do and those few are vocal on forums, but given the greater perspective, nobody does. Yes, one reason is them being uber-expensive. And models looking ridiculously ugly (generic troopers with dat hair...). But why would you waste time and effort on a codex for an army nobody plays anyway? I strongly doubt that it would pay off sales-wise and thus, Sisters are better off being left alone. Either remove them or just make another WD codex.

Well, Necrons and Dark Eldar were in a similar boat as well.

Far from it. Especially Necrons and, to a lesser degree, DE were not a rare sight in gaming stores. Sure, they weren't Space Marines, but you used to see them pop up now and then in 5th. Sisters? Far from it. I cannot even remember the last time I saw a SoB player at a tournament, let alone in a friendly.

If GW wants to sell SoB, they need to sex them up. Make them look attractive, not those really ugly female troopers. Sure, it's "lame" if you need sexy minis to make people play Sisters, but alas, either sex them up or drop the entire army. SoB are female Space Marines minus the Marine. They don't even fill a niche. So if GW is smart, they don't update SoB unless they have a REALLY REALLY awesome financial year allowing them for a release that will not generate a lot of money. Even a new release will not get a lot of new Sisters players in. On second thought, just drop them :/

I believe a well thought out Sisters release would sell really well (ridiculous pricing not withstanding). However, as I alluded to in my earlier post, they need to move away from the female space marine approach and make them a more distinct army.

 Flashman wrote:
I believe a well thought out Sisters release would sell really well (ridiculous pricing not withstanding). However, as I alluded to in my earlier post, they need to move away from the female space marine approach and make them a more distinct army.

Precisely. Until I faced SoB the first time, I always pictured them being female Space Marines and then found out they are more like in between SM and IG soldiers. Just being female isn't enought for a distinctive feature - but I don't know where to go with SoB given their fluff. First of all, GW should really stop making them out as *the* losers of 40k in every codex.

Still, I don't see it being a considerable financial success. Necrons e.g. became popular because they already were a set army, a lot of people used to play them, and with the new release, they jumped back in. SoB - just don't. Nobody plays them. What would be the player's motivation to pick up a new army?

 Sigvatr wrote:
Still, I don't see it being a considerable financial success. Necrons e.g. became popular because they already were a set army, a lot of people used to play them, and with the new release, they jumped back in. SoB - just don't. Nobody plays them. What would be the player's motivation to pick up a new army?

1. Girls are always a big selling point in Fantasy/Sci-Fi (something I don't think GW exploits as much as it should) and aside from the odd Eldar, Sisters are the only girls in town.

2. A 10+ year wait for DE V2.0 made them see really fresh and new when they were finally released. Sisters are pretty much in the same position now.

3. New plastics for miniatures that have only ever been in metal generally seem to be well received by the Warhammer crowd.

 Flashman wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Still, I don't see it being a considerable financial success. Necrons e.g. became popular because they already were a set army, a lot of people used to play them, and with the new release, they jumped back in. SoB - just don't. Nobody plays them. What would be the player's motivation to pick up a new army?

1. Girls are always a big selling point in Fantasy/Sci-Fi (something I don't think GW exploits as much as it should) and aside from the odd Eldar, Sisters are the only girls in town.

2. A 10+ year wait for DE V2.0 made them see really fresh and new when they were finally released. Sisters are pretty much in the same position now.

3. New plastics for miniatures that have only ever been in metal generally seem to be well received by the Warhammer crowd.

I agree with Flashman, I think a thorough, well thought out (ha!) Sisters release would go down really well.

Hm, so no new sister release, but IG is a getting a ton of new stuff.... like, maybe, SoB? Maybe SoB and IG are just going to find a book together? SoB aren't much more than vets with PA.


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BTW: if BT get folded into the Big Book, I was one if not the first to call that back when 6th came out and took so much crap for it.

We were discussing this before our trip to GAMA, and since everyone has eaten humble pie at my FLGS from the last 3 GW predictions I made that came though... (monthly codex releases, return of white dwarf rules supplements, and a lack of resistance to FW items being used in the GT format).

The way I look at it is there is a group of army codexs that were built with 6th edition in mind at the end of 5th... of them Imperial Guard, Blood Angels, Grey Knights, Necrons. Some very much more than others. In addition there are a few codexs that clearly are not built for this edition and have been shoehorned with supplements and errata for the time being.

All that being said, we discussed having a codex betting pool but have yet to act on it... so if I was GW(standard statement that gives pause in my FLGS now)... this is the way I would do it.

Apr- Tau obviously, hell I got them to acknowledge it at the booth at GAMA, so there's your confirmation.

May- Eldar/High Elves... no sense arguing it, clearly the fiction releases back part of it and the rumor mill is already hot on this one already

Jun- Orks also already on the rumor mill... easy pickings still

Jul- Vanilla Marines, clearly already late in the edition for them already and duct taping things to their go to entry level codex is wearing thin.

Aug- Tyranids- mashing the two most ubiquious xenos baddies before and after the new Ultraderp book makes obvious sense.

Sept- Black Templar... yes I know, but I don't think GW has it in them to squat a codex again. Also august has a historic 2 month lull in sales so putting easy nostalgia out makes sense, and gasp... helps retailers.

Oct- Sisters, same theory on the august lull... also I'm a primarily sisters player so I just cant help myself. But I am trying to be reasonable with it. Also I think BT/Sisters should be natural allies(battle brothers) in the new codex due to similar missions and mantras... also marketing wise, witchhunt in october? clearly winning.

Nov- Imperial Guard makes sense for after SoB, hopefully with some awesome allies modifications within(although my money is on white dwarf chapter approved) to create genestealer cults, traitor guard, arbites, tau auxiliaries.

Dec- Space Wolves- Amazing timing for Xmass release, a good guy winter army in winter is too great of a marketing chance for GW to ignore. Finally the flyerless space wolves get with the program... although I expect it to be minimal due to LR's boots on the ground axiom.

Jan- Dark Eldar, I needed to break up the imperial love and they are the first of the built with 6th in mind to get rules refresh imho

Feb- Blood Angels, they could of easily gone a month earlier but I felt the need to break up the imperial train

Mar- Grey Knights, next best prepared for 6th and I argue the current codex sets the bar in which 6th is built on power level wise

Apr- Necrons, clearly built for 6th and last for refresh.

 edweird wrote:
All that being said, we discussed having a codex betting pool but have yet to act on it... so if I was GW(standard statement that gives pause in my FLGS now)... this is the way I would do it.

Apr- Tau obviously, hell I got them to acknowledge it at the booth at GAMA, so there's your confirmation.

Only one Codex per month? Why not 3? In addition to 2 army books and Hobbit supplements per month of course.

Anyway:

Harry wrote:I have never been in a position to "spot" any sculpts, or 'see anything being worked on'. (Ever)
I heard they had started work on a dex and models for Sisters right after I heard they had started work on Grey Knights ... consequently I assumed we would be seeing the results of this project pretty soon after Grey Knights were released ... It never happened. I guess the WD dex was the result of the work being done on the book ... I have no idea what happened to the minis. There were some rumours at the time that they were not happy with them .... but it was nothing I ever heard anything about one way or the other. As far as I am concerned ... it remains a mystery.

75hastings69 wrote:Not being into 40k I don't know what the "traits system" is, however here's what I've heard for the SM codex, you choose a chapter and that choice confers a bonus/bonuses to your army e.g. My imperial fists get tank hunter and bolter drill. Is that similar to what you mean?

I've always thought DA, BA, SW needed their own books, but if they made crusading chapter traits (something that expands beyond BT), then BT could be rolled into that.

AFAIK you are correct, DA, BA & SW remain independent codex armies, other SM chapters are dealt with in the SM codex.

I would still like to know, where to put the Ork release.

 Flashman wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Still, I don't see it being a considerable financial success. Necrons e.g. became popular because they already were a set army, a lot of people used to play them, and with the new release, they jumped back in. SoB - just don't. Nobody plays them. What would be the player's motivation to pick up a new army?

1. Girls are always a big selling point in Fantasy/Sci-Fi (something I don't think GW exploits as much as it should) and aside from the odd Eldar, Sisters are the only girls in town.

2. A 10+ year wait for DE V2.0 made them see really fresh and new when they were finally released. Sisters are pretty much in the same position now.

3. New plastics for miniatures that have only ever been in metal generally seem to be well received by the Warhammer crowd.

Don't forget that it would appeal to the female demographic which I think is actually larger than people make it out to be.