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 Alpharius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
"I'll believe that when me gak turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet."

We are in complete agreement.

And yeah, they're not titans. Even the first HH book FW put out refers to them as "Heavy Walkers".

Pagin Platuan4th, STAT!

Anyway, this is one of those crazy rumors that you just somehow still hope could be true...

Honestly, given the current aesthetic sensibilities at the design studio, I'd rather they left AdMech to Forge World and our imaginations, because the thought of the sort of bilious monstrosity they'd release and call "Knight" makes me queasy. I have nightmares about an Adeptus Mechanicus codex that includes Knights which combine, Power Rangers-style, into the new Awesomesausezors-pattern Mega-Super-Titan

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
OOOOHHHH I hope its ELDAR!!

Sorry dude. Next month will most likely be High Elves.

AdMech will be a reserve idea for when they've re-done everything else and are still losing money.
I'm tempted to anonymously mail naftka details for a Hrud release which is imminent this year lol

 Flood wrote:
AdMech will be a reserve idea for when they've re-done everything else and are still losing money.

I'm pretty sure that was their unofficial alleged stance on the Horus Heresy and Primarchs.

Until someone smarted up and realized how much money they were leaving on the table!

I think they plan on bringing the core game and all its codexes up do date then trying to expand the universe with supplements and such. Ad Mech, a SM supplement that has some rules for white scars, slamanders, and the like. Maybe mini-dexes and WD releases.

Ya know, hastings just said move the Orks in his post. He never said move the orcs back. Orcs could just as easily be the next codex released, and considering they have some of the most outdated kits running around (don't play dawn of war and then expect to get half of what you see in that game for the Orks in particular) getting an update this summer BEFORE Eldar is a possibility, unless I missed some other comment.


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 Davespil wrote:
I think they plan on bringing the core game and all its codexes up do date then trying to expand the universe with supplements and such. Ad Mech, a SM supplement that has some rules for white scars, slamanders, and the like. Maybe mini-dexes and WD releases.

Realizing my bias towards Salamaders, I still like they should get a WD army list. Their fluff doesn't line up with itself at this point (Like having an "elite" first company, yet all the companies are seperated by where you're from, so veterans would be completely split between all the companies) so it needs to be solidified, He'stan made them infinitely more popular, for the love of god just make them look like Africans and not burnt toast, the limited use of bikes and speeders, rampant use of assault weapons, the adding of a few Salamader army items in the main dex.......They just plain need their own list at this point. 3 Assault weapons in Tactical squads with no Heavy, No Speeders, No Standard Bikes only Attack Bikes, and Scout Bikes in the Fast attack vehicles (Both limited to one squad choice) a mix and match of some of the vehicles from other lists (Baal Pattern Predator for example) are just a few of the things you might see. An emphasis on Tech Marines, meltas, flamers, and an army you have to out-manuver cause you will loose if you just charge forward or stand and shoot.

White Scars.....what an under-developed, under-valued Chapter. There is so much you could with these guys giving them special weapons/bikes, all able to deploy and be picked up quickly. Don't know as much about them as I would like to so hopefully they do see some love and get a supplimental list themselves and not just a figure that lets you take a hundred bikes as your army.

Earth Dragon wrote:
Ya know, hastings just said move the Orks in his post. He never said move the orcs back. Orcs could just as easily be the next codex released, and considering they have some of the most outdated kits running around (don't play dawn of war and then expect to get half of what you see in that game for the Orks in particular) getting an update this summer BEFORE Eldar is a possibility, unless I missed some other comment.


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 Davespil wrote:
I think they plan on bringing the core game and all its codexes up do date then trying to expand the universe with supplements and such. Ad Mech, a SM supplement that has some rules for white scars, slamanders, and the like. Maybe mini-dexes and WD releases.

Realizing my bias towards Salamaders, I still like they should get a WD army list. Their fluff doesn't line up with itself at this point (Like having an "elite" first company, yet all the companies are seperated by where you're from, so veterans would be completely split between all the companies) so it needs to be solidified, He'stan made them infinitely more popular, for the love of god just make them look like Africans and not burnt toast, the limited use of bikes and speeders, rampant use of assault weapons, the adding of a few Salamader army items in the main dex.......They just plain need their own list at this point. 3 Assault weapons in Tactical squads with no Heavy, No Speeders, No Standard Bikes only Attack Bikes, and Scout Bikes in the Fast attack vehicles (Both limited to one squad choice) a mix and match of some of the vehicles from other lists (Baal Pattern Predator for example) are just a few of the things you might see. An emphasis on Tech Marines, meltas, flamers, and an army you have to out-manuver cause you will loose if you just charge forward or stand and shoot.

White Scars.....what an under-developed, under-valued Chapter. There is so much you could with these guys giving them special weapons/bikes, all able to deploy and be picked up quickly. Don't know as much about them as I would like to so hopefully they do see some love and get a supplimental list themselves and not just a figure that lets you take a hundred bikes as your army.

We absolutely, positively, definitively do not need another Marine 'dex, of any size or colour. What we do need is a Codex: Space Marines that lets us represent modest divergence from the norm, like I don't know, some sort of "traits system" - wow, what an amazing idea, it's a wonder GW have never thought of it

As long as the trait system expanded upon. It was pretty weak, and it didn't give any sort of special equipment.

But I also don't see the harm in having even 10 Marine Lists. They just need to be in 2-3 books. There is usually a lot of wasted space on the pages of Unit lists. Find a better format. There are books that LITERALLY list units 3 seperate times (4 if you count the condensed list in the back). What is the point in that? Give us more value in the codex. Space Marine Dexes are easy to do this since you don't have to provide lots of fluff for most of the units since its just more marines with different weapons. Do you really need to have 5 paragraphs to explain a Devastator squad? No.

So give their biggest money maker more variety on how we can play them just package it much better.

Well since it's looking like High Elves are next I guess we can say the rumors were half right . Eldar in june then or at least A 40k codex?

Have to say eldar need the update before orks as much as I love orks I play both armies and feel that eldar are the ones who need an up to date codex more

As I feel half there units are a pointless thing and are very expensive in the points department for not getting anything

Kind of dreading the ork codex can see orks and imperial gaurd taking a hammering

bit81 wrote:
Have to say eldar need the update before orks as much as I love orks I play both armies and feel that eldar are the ones who need an up to date codex more

As I feel half there units are a pointless thing and are very expensive in the points department for not getting anything

Kind of dreading the ork codex can see orks and imperial gaurd taking a hammering

Eldar don't just need the new codex, their range contains some of the oldest GW sculpts still around. I came across an old issue of White Dwarf the other day which had a preview of soon-to-be-released Aspect Warriors... from 1990. Many of those models are still in production today (albeit in resin rather than pewter).

GTKA666 wrote:
Well since it's looking like High Elves are next I guess we can say the rumors were half right . Eldar in june then or at least A 40k codex?

Maybe they will do a Elves and Eldar release like with Demons

yeah noticed that on the swooping hawks I just bought 1999 the sculpts where made 14 years old

I think the striking scorpions are the oldest sculpts aspect wise

just hope they give eldar better stuff the second most advanced race (necrons being first) and they have some of the worst range weapons in the game

lol no chance of elves and eldar release at same time I get the feeling that the schedule will be pushed back a bit with the tau disaster

Indeed, Eldar codex is hopelessly out of date now and the model range needs a complete revamp (I can't believe that I've come back into the hobby after over a decade out and I'm still seeing most of the same models for Eldar :/)

bit81 wrote:
yeah noticed that on the swooping hawks I just bought 1999 the sculpts where made 14 years old

I think the striking scorpions are the oldest sculpts aspect wise

just hope they give eldar better stuff the second most advanced race (necrons being first) and they have some of the worst range weapons in the game
lol no chance of elves and eldar release at same time I get the feeling that the schedule will be pushed back a bit with the tau disaster

Scorpions have both been re-done a couple of times. I've got multiple sculpts of them
Wraithguard still have the same look - they've moved to finecast though.

Eldrad ain't changed much either...

bit81 wrote:
yeah noticed that on the swooping hawks I just bought 1999 the sculpts where made 14 years old

I think the striking scorpions are the oldest sculpts aspect wise

just hope they give eldar better stuff the second most advanced race (necrons being first) and they have some of the worst range weapons in the game

lol no chance of elves and eldar release at same time I get the feeling that the schedule will be pushed back a bit with the tau disaster

EDIT: I'm bad! Thought Swooping Hawks were still using their oldest sculpts.

Swooping Hawks are actually older than 1999; here's a catalogue page from 1994:

The Aspects were all redone in late 4th, around 2006-2007, with the exception of Swooping Hawks and Warp Spiders. The other models of similar age are the Warlocks, Eldrad, Wraithguard, Vypers, and jetbikes. Eldar won't need quite the level of doing over that Dark Eldar got, but they'll need a significant update.

I don't think I've ever seen any other/newer sculpts of the phoenix lords either.

Swooping hawks did get new sculpts in 1999

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1251703_99110104103_ELDSwpngHwksmain_445x319.jpg

Warp Spiders are the only ones still with their original sculpt.

 Shandara wrote:
Swooping hawks did get new sculpts in 1999

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1251703_99110104103_ELDSwpngHwksmain_445x319.jpg

Warp Spiders are the only ones still with their original sculpt.

My bad! I actually haven't seen anyone use Swooping Hawks who hasn't been using them since the dawn of time, so I assumed those were the only ones

 Shandara wrote:
Warp Spiders are the only ones still with their original sculpt.

Wraith Guard, Jetbikes, the Phoenix Lords, an Avatar and a few Warlocks would like to have a word with you

 Brother SRM wrote:
My bad! I actually haven't seen anyone use Swooping Hawks who hasn't been using them since the dawn of time, so I assumed those were the only ones

I looked at the pic you found, thought 'those are the same as mine' so you must be right. I forgot I bought mine in about 1995

And to make matters worse, a lot of the new sculpts aren't actually better than the original 2nd edition ones from 20 years ago.

Howling banshees are a good example. Great looking models back then, and still are.

Some of the Phoenix Lords have aged really well, Karandras in particular though....has not.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
Warp Spiders are the only ones still with their original sculpt.

Wraith Guard, Jetbikes, the Phoenix Lords, an Avatar and a few Warlocks would like to have a word with you

Of the aspects I mean

Is there any chance the rumoured Apoc update release large plastic kits would actually be the fabled plastic Warhound? What would the counter part be as well? Tyranid Bio-Titan? I really don't see how or why they haven't cashed in on that pile of cash.

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Is there any chance the rumoured Apoc update release large plastic kits would actually be the fabled plastic Warhound? What would the counter part be as well? Tyranid Bio-Titan? I really don't see how or why they haven't cashed in on that pile of cash.

I think the plastic Warhound is just six years of wishlisting piled on top of itself.

 scarletsquig wrote:
And to make matters worse, a lot of the new sculpts aren't actually better than the original 2nd edition ones from 20 years ago.

Howling banshees are a good example. Great looking models back then, and still are.

Eh.. the 2nd edition banshees are a bit boring in pose and don't compare much to the current banshees which are MUCH cooler looking. Now, 2nd edition scorpions are better than 3rd edition however I prefer modern sculpts. Eldar has quite a lot of updated models but yes they have a ton of old ones as well.

My theory is that we'll get a bigger wraithlord, a flyer/bomber kit, dual wraithguard/CC wraithguard kit, jetbikes and random characters.

 shamikebab wrote:
Some of the Phoenix Lords have aged really well, Karandras in particular though....has not.

We'll have to agree to disagree there - I love the Karandras sculpt and in fact, i ti s the only reaosn I've kept my Eldar!

I will admit it to the paint-job being very important on him though...

 Alpharius wrote:

 shamikebab wrote:
Some of the Phoenix Lords have aged really well, Karandras in particular though....has not.

We'll have to agree to disagree there - I love the Karandras sculpt and in fact, i ti s the only reaosn I've kept my Eldar!

I will admit it to the paint-job being very important on him though...

Yeah.....it reads Karandras but I immediately interpretted it in my mind as Jain Zar. She is the one in desperate need of a new model. Karandras and Maugan Ra could probably keep their sculpts for another decade!!

Fuegan = best phoenix lord/joint worst sculpt (ties with Bahraroth)

Nearly 2D, the pair of em.