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**TermiesInARaider**

rahxephon wrote:
Agree with the OP about getting your own codex and BRB (or sharing it in a group). I've never really felt inclined to get all the other codices but do have a couple... in digital copy. Yeah I'll admit its piracy and I'd prefer not to do it. But my 5th ed C:SM was 63NZD which was pushing it at the time and now the new hard backs are all $98 a pop. So thats put them way far out for me and a lot of friends in my group. It works out way cheaper to pay for shipping and get it from the US, which is what I'll do when either orks or marines are released again.

But I do think its unfair to say you cant use pdf's at all and if you can't afford the rulebook... dont play. I mean if they've already paid heaps for the models, then I would disagree with anyone I saw refusing to play them on the basis their codex isn't authentic. (and don't say the cost of the codex is inconsequential to the whole army...)

To be honest, I think that's more predatory business on GW's part. I've never bought a hardcover of similar size that costed that much. D&D books never cost quite that much.

**Selym**

Sebbyp538 wrote:
azreal13 wrote:
Trolling, nobody with an attitude like this could hold down a job that pays 48k a year.

Unless he's on benefits...

As for piracy, a lot of people do it, that doesn't make it right, it just makes it common.

Crowing about it on the Internet to strangers just isn't cool though.

Im a self employed carpenter not a banker 48k a year is sod all nowa days especially in rip off britan.

You have a point.
48k is meaningless over here...

**Sebbyp538**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlbxRBfGAr0

Thieving torrent downloads, stealing models from the shops. no difference, the point is, i couldn't give a toss about GW in the same way they don't give a toss about us. i own £3000 of models and only payed £1000 for them. its natural for people to be this way, its in nature and its in human nature. have a look on the youtube link above. its wrong, i love it i don't care, and i have a huge cabinet full of models and codexs that make me warm inside.
if someone told me they had to pdf the codex i would give them a high five.

**Gargantuan**

Sebbyp538 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlbxRBfGAr0

Thieving torrent downloads, stealing models from the shops. no difference, the point is, i couldn't give a toss about GW in the same way they don't give a toss about us. i own £3000 of models and only payed £1000 for them. its natural for people to be this way, its in nature and its in human nature. have a look on the youtube link above. its wrong, i love it i don't care, and i have a huge cabinet full of models and codexs that make me warm inside.
if someone told me they had to pdf the codex i would give them a high five.

There's a huge difference between downloading PDF's and stealing models from shops.

**Rustgob**

Sebbyp538 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlbxRBfGAr0

Thieving torrent downloads, stealing models from the shops. no difference, the point is, i couldn't give a toss about GW in the same way they don't give a toss about us. i own £3000 of models and only payed £1000 for them. its natural for people to be this way, its in nature and its in human nature. have a look on the youtube link above. its wrong, i love it i don't care, and i have a huge cabinet full of models and codexs that make me warm inside.
if someone told me they had to pdf the codex i would give them a high five.

I doubt you love it as much as you say.

After all; you obviously haven't worked to acquire 2/3s of your miniatures and obviously cannot be ranked on the same scale as someone who has.
It's one hell of an ethics quandry, but I'll go ahead and say it.

What kind of man-child makes 48k and still feels the need to steal plastics to pump their ego.

I think you probably feel a bit empty; but who am I to sort the internet egos from the real ones?

**Sebbyp538**

Rustgob wrote:
Sebbyp538 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlbxRBfGAr0

Thieving torrent downloads, stealing models from the shops. no difference, the point is, i couldn't give a toss about GW in the same way they don't give a toss about us. i own £3000 of models and only payed £1000 for them. its natural for people to be this way, its in nature and its in human nature. have a look on the youtube link above. its wrong, i love it i don't care, and i have a huge cabinet full of models and codexs that make me warm inside.
if someone told me they had to pdf the codex i would give them a high five.

I doubt you love it as much as you say.

After all; you obviously haven't worked to acquire 2/3s of your miniatures and obviously cannot be ranked on the same scale as someone who has.
It's one hell of an ethics quandry, but I'll go ahead and say it.

What kind of man-child makes 48k and still feels the need to steal plastics to pump their ego.

I think you probably feel a bit empty; but who am I to sort the internet egos from the real ones?

ME! i feel the need to steal from GW as they are the biggest con artists in the wargaming industry. A helldrake costs £45 for two sprues.... Rip off!!! i see it more as a robin hood tactic than a pumping of my ego. i steal from the rich and give to the poor/me. i Do feel very empty inside as i still havent ventured into ripping off forgeworld yet. Also i own no Fantasy armies yet but hey time is on my side im still only 26 years young. and yes Rustjob i love it more than you know and i wasnt aware i could be ranked on such a theme.

**Griddlelol**

Xenocidal Maniac wrote:
Just come right out and say you are a thief.

You clearly don't understand the differences between piracy and theft.

In fact, there's some recent research that music sales are unaffected by piracy. It was done by the European commission and you can find it here. It's an interesting read.

**Rustgob**

Sebbyp538 wrote:
Rustgob wrote:
Sebbyp538 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlbxRBfGAr0

Thieving torrent downloads, stealing models from the shops. no difference, the point is, i couldn't give a toss about GW in the same way they don't give a toss about us. i own £3000 of models and only payed £1000 for them. its natural for people to be this way, its in nature and its in human nature. have a look on the youtube link above. its wrong, i love it i don't care, and i have a huge cabinet full of models and codexs that make me warm inside.
if someone told me they had to pdf the codex i would give them a high five.

I doubt you love it as much as you say.

After all; you obviously haven't worked to acquire 2/3s of your miniatures and obviously cannot be ranked on the same scale as someone who has.
It's one hell of an ethics quandry, but I'll go ahead and say it.

What kind of man-child makes 48k and still feels the need to steal plastics to pump their ego.

I think you probably feel a bit empty; but who am I to sort the internet egos from the real ones?

ME! i feel the need to steal from GW as they are the biggest con artists in the wargaming industry. A helldrake costs £45 for two sprues.... Rip off!!! i see it more as a robin hood tactic than a pumping of my ego. i steal from the rich and give to the poor/me. i Do feel very empty inside as i still havent ventured into ripping off forgeworld yet. Also i own no Fantasy armies yet but hey time is on my side im still only 26 years young. and yes Rustjob i love it more than you know and i wasnt aware i could be ranked on such a theme.

You, poor?

Wot a larf. Try living on 14-15k a year. Then you get to call yourself poor.

Right now, you're stealing from the poor Minimum wage Retailers, who get to take the fall when things go missing and giving to the rich. The Poverty line for a parent looking after two children is approx £18k, so you're pretty damn well off with your 48k (which I suspect is not realistic anyhow.)

Your robin hood analogy is more full of holes than your swiss-cheese morality.

**Selym**

Sebbyp538 wrote:
Rustgob wrote:
Sebbyp538 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlbxRBfGAr0

Thieving torrent downloads, stealing models from the shops. no difference, the point is, i couldn't give a toss about GW in the same way they don't give a toss about us. i own £3000 of models and only payed £1000 for them. its natural for people to be this way, its in nature and its in human nature. have a look on the youtube link above. its wrong, i love it i don't care, and i have a huge cabinet full of models and codexs that make me warm inside.
if someone told me they had to pdf the codex i would give them a high five.

I doubt you love it as much as you say.

After all; you obviously haven't worked to acquire 2/3s of your miniatures and obviously cannot be ranked on the same scale as someone who has.
It's one hell of an ethics quandry, but I'll go ahead and say it.

What kind of man-child makes 48k and still feels the need to steal plastics to pump their ego.

I think you probably feel a bit empty; but who am I to sort the internet egos from the real ones?

ME! i feel the need to steal from GW as they are the biggest con artists in the wargaming industry. A helldrake costs £45 for two sprues.... Rip off!!! i see it more as a robin hood tactic than a pumping of my ego. i steal from the rich and give to the poor/me. i Do feel very empty inside as i still havent ventured into ripping off forgeworld yet. Also i own no Fantasy armies yet but hey time is on my side im still only 26 years young. and yes Rustjob i love it more than you know and i wasnt aware i could be ranked on such a theme.

Can you please leave?

**Rustgob**

Selym wrote:
Sebbyp538 wrote:
Rustgob wrote:
Sebbyp538 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlbxRBfGAr0

Thieving torrent downloads, stealing models from the shops. no difference, the point is, i couldn't give a toss about GW in the same way they don't give a toss about us. i own £3000 of models and only payed £1000 for them. its natural for people to be this way, its in nature and its in human nature. have a look on the youtube link above. its wrong, i love it i don't care, and i have a huge cabinet full of models and codexs that make me warm inside.
if someone told me they had to pdf the codex i would give them a high five.

I doubt you love it as much as you say.

After all; you obviously haven't worked to acquire 2/3s of your miniatures and obviously cannot be ranked on the same scale as someone who has.
It's one hell of an ethics quandry, but I'll go ahead and say it.

What kind of man-child makes 48k and still feels the need to steal plastics to pump their ego.

I think you probably feel a bit empty; but who am I to sort the internet egos from the real ones?

ME! i feel the need to steal from GW as they are the biggest con artists in the wargaming industry. A helldrake costs £45 for two sprues.... Rip off!!! i see it more as a robin hood tactic than a pumping of my ego. i steal from the rich and give to the poor/me. i Do feel very empty inside as i still havent ventured into ripping off forgeworld yet. Also i own no Fantasy armies yet but hey time is on my side im still only 26 years young. and yes Rustjob i love it more than you know and i wasnt aware i could be ranked on such a theme.

Can you please leave?

Hear, hear!

I honestly don't care about 'feeding trolls' or getting in the face of the guy either.

I think it's the duty of the whole community to push out the immoral. Make places better through example, no?

Shameless, physical thieves with nothing better to do have no business being part of any circle I include myself in.

**washout77**

Griddlelol wrote:
Xenocidal Maniac wrote:
Just come right out and say you are a thief.

You clearly don't understand the differences between piracy and theft.

In fact, there's some recent research that music sales are unaffected by piracy. It was done by the European commission and you can find it here. It's an interesting read.

The guy has admitted to stealing models though, and he sees it as a "robin hood" like tactic. Taking from the rich and giving to the poor (in his case, he considers himself poor)

**Rustgob**

washout77 wrote:
Griddlelol wrote:
Xenocidal Maniac wrote:
Just come right out and say you are a thief.

You clearly don't understand the differences between piracy and theft.

In fact, there's some recent research that music sales are unaffected by piracy. It was done by the European commission and you can find it here. It's an interesting read.

The guy has admitted to stealing models though, and he sees it as a "robin hood" like tactic. Taking from the rich and giving to the poor (in his case, he considers himself poor)

Xenocidal Maniac's comment was directed to Deffdred I believe, not Sebbyp538/RobinHood.

**psychadelicmime**

I still need to buy a 6th edition rulebook. All of my armies have up to date codices but my tau. Once I have enough I'm buying the new codex.

**gpfunk**

That's really all perspective, isn't it?

I'd actually call it common sense. If I can get something for free rather than paying an exorbitant and overbloated fee...then damn straight i'll download a fething PDF. If they had kept the codexes at 30 bucks with the new hardcover they'd still be making a ridiculous amount of profit on the mark up and I would actually be willing to pay for it. 50 bucks? Unless you've lined all the pages in gold leaf and the paper stock is of exceptional quality (which it isn't, based off of the CSM codex I perused at the local store) then there is no reason for that sort of crap.

As long as you have the little rulebook and a pdf print out of your codex I would say that's fine.

**TermiesInARaider**

Rustgob wrote:
Sebbyp538 wrote:
Rustgob wrote:
Sebbyp538 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlbxRBfGAr0

Thieving torrent downloads, stealing models from the shops. no difference, the point is, i couldn't give a toss about GW in the same way they don't give a toss about us. i own £3000 of models and only payed £1000 for them. its natural for people to be this way, its in nature and its in human nature. have a look on the youtube link above. its wrong, i love it i don't care, and i have a huge cabinet full of models and codexs that make me warm inside.
if someone told me they had to pdf the codex i would give them a high five.

I doubt you love it as much as you say.

After all; you obviously haven't worked to acquire 2/3s of your miniatures and obviously cannot be ranked on the same scale as someone who has.
It's one hell of an ethics quandry, but I'll go ahead and say it.

What kind of man-child makes 48k and still feels the need to steal plastics to pump their ego.

I think you probably feel a bit empty; but who am I to sort the internet egos from the real ones?

ME! i feel the need to steal from GW as they are the biggest con artists in the wargaming industry. A helldrake costs £45 for two sprues.... Rip off!!! i see it more as a robin hood tactic than a pumping of my ego. i steal from the rich and give to the poor/me. i Do feel very empty inside as i still havent ventured into ripping off forgeworld yet. Also i own no Fantasy armies yet but hey time is on my side im still only 26 years young. and yes Rustjob i love it more than you know and i wasnt aware i could be ranked on such a theme.

You, poor?

Wot a larf. Try living on 14-15k a year. Then you get to call yourself poor.

Right now, you're stealing from the poor Minimum wage Retailers, who get to take the fall when things go missing and giving to the rich. The Poverty line for a parent looking after two children is approx £18k, so you're pretty damn well off with your 48k (which I suspect is not realistic anyhow.)

Your robin hood analogy is more full of holes than your swiss-cheese morality.

Gotta agree with this. A pirated PDF is one thing. May not be fully moral, but it's not the same level of sheer clodiness (Yes I made that up) as stealing models from the local GW. There are retail-level staff who have nothing to do with the corporation other than the name running those stores, and when things go missing, it's on their heads. And I think we've heard before that GW is NOT forgiving with stores that don't produce the best numbers.

If you're stealing models from a FLGS, that's downright despicable. That's a person's personal business you're screwing around with, that he build completely on his own. That's entirely unforgivable.

**ausYenLoWang**

gpfunk wrote:
That's really all perspective, isn't it?

I'd actually call it common sense. If I can get something for free rather than paying an exorbitant and overbloated fee...then damn straight i'll download a fething PDF. If they had kept the codexes at 30 bucks with the new hardcover they'd still be making a ridiculous amount of profit on the mark up and I would actually be willing to pay for it. 50 bucks? Unless you've lined all the pages in gold leaf and the paper stock is of exceptional quality (which it isn't, based off of the CSM codex I perused at the local store) then there is no reason for that sort of crap.

As long as you have the little rulebook and a pdf print out of your codex I would say that's fine.

i may be a naysayer jerk here.. but no its not enough.... if your my good mate trying a new proxy army out thats all well... but tolerance only goes so far.... LRB ok fine it covers it but codex.. BABOW, want to play your army... i mena lets be honest... $50 bucks..... hell the damn thing is 83$ here in aus.. unless you deal with some people... sorry no excuse you want to field those discount cost models get a discount cost codex that aint off your PC... there is a limit people draw.. and even friendly the line exists... go to a tourney and be like "its legit" and see how far you get... but yeah even mates get sick of it.....

PDF to maybe browse.. to look about but want to field them all the time get the real book and baby RB.... its not hard not that expensive..

**washout77**

gpfunk wrote:
That's really all perspective, isn't it?

I'd actually call it common sense. If I can get something for free rather than paying an exorbitant and overbloated fee...then damn straight i'll download a fething PDF. If they had kept the codexes at 30 bucks with the new hardcover they'd still be making a ridiculous amount of profit on the mark up and I would actually be willing to pay for it. 50 bucks? Unless you've lined all the pages in gold leaf and the paper stock is of exceptional quality (which it isn't, based off of the CSM codex I perused at the local store) then there is no reason for that sort of crap.

As long as you have the little rulebook and a pdf print out of your codex I would say that's fine.

I kinda agree with this in the end. While I prefer it in every possible way to have an actual copy of your codex (the little rule-book is okay since you payed for that at some point), if you have a print-out copy of your codex I will still play you. I won't ask you where you got it, if you don't go around telling people you pirated it and act like you are actually proud of it.

**ausYenLoWang**

washout77 wrote:
gpfunk wrote:
That's really all perspective, isn't it?

I'd actually call it common sense. If I can get something for free rather than paying an exorbitant and overbloated fee...then damn straight i'll download a fething PDF. If they had kept the codexes at 30 bucks with the new hardcover they'd still be making a ridiculous amount of profit on the mark up and I would actually be willing to pay for it. 50 bucks? Unless you've lined all the pages in gold leaf and the paper stock is of exceptional quality (which it isn't, based off of the CSM codex I perused at the local store) then there is no reason for that sort of crap.

As long as you have the little rulebook and a pdf print out of your codex I would say that's fine.

I kinda agree with this in the end. While I prefer it in every possible way to have an actual copy of your codex (the little rule-book is okay since you payed for that at some point), if you have a print-out copy of your codex I will still play you. I won't ask you where you got it, if you don't go around telling people you pirated it and act like you are actually proud of it.

thing is first few games as you consider the army, oh yeah well, lets be honest who spends big with no idea?.. but once you know better? just go buy the real thing hey... fairs really fair...

**Griddlelol**

ausYenLoWang wrote:
and even friendly the line exists... go to a tourney and be like "its legit" and see how far you get... but yeah even mates get sick of it.....

No tournament organiser has complained about my printed Imperial Armour: Aeronautica pages...

**ausYenLoWang**

Griddlelol wrote:
ausYenLoWang wrote:
and even friendly the line exists... go to a tourney and be like "its legit" and see how far you get... but yeah even mates get sick of it.....

No tournament organiser has complained about my printed Imperial Armour: Aeronautica pages...

no but i bet if you went in with a full print out of C:SM you might get asked questions... 1 or 2 pages maybe but the full dex.....

**The Shadow**

I really couldn't care less if my opponent has bought his codex, downloaded it as a PDF, or stolen it from a shop, I'll play him either way, so long as he's a nice opponent. It's not my business where my opponent got his/her codex, or even models, from. If they stole them, not my problem, it's their issue to deal with any moral or legal consequences.

**Griddlelol**

ausYenLoWang wrote:

no but i bet if you went in with a full print out of C:SM you might get asked questions... 1 or 2 pages maybe but the full dex.....

What's the difference?

**Rustgob**

Griddlelol wrote:
ausYenLoWang wrote:

no but i bet if you went in with a full print out of C:SM you might get asked questions... 1 or 2 pages maybe but the full dex.....

What's the difference?

The difference is thus;

One or two pages is likely to be you carrying a photocopy reference of a few select pages from your codex.

On the flipside, why would you photocopy an entire codex, just bring the whole thing; Oh wait- you don't own the codex.

How much you bring essentially clues in those around you to how much you are (or are not) 'pirating' the rules.

**ZebioLizard2**

Rustgob wrote:
Griddlelol wrote:
ausYenLoWang wrote:

no but i bet if you went in with a full print out of C:SM you might get asked questions... 1 or 2 pages maybe but the full dex.....

What's the difference?

The difference is thus;

One or two pages is likely to be you carrying a photocopy reference of a few select pages from your codex.

On the flipside, why would you photocopy an entire codex, just bring the whole thing; Oh wait- you don't own the codex.

How much you bring essentially clues in those around you to how much you are (or are not) 'pirating' the rules.

Or because you don't want to ruin the codex by overusing it and bringing it everywhere. I know some people would rather use the PDF's and plug them into a binder for the rules while keeping the codex at home.

**Badger_Bhoy**

The Shadow wrote:
I really couldn't care less if my opponent has bought his codex, downloaded it as a PDF, or stolen it from a shop, I'll play him either way, so long as he's a nice opponent. It's not my business where my opponent got his/her codex, or even models, from. If they stole them, not my problem, it's their issue to deal with any moral or legal consequences.

This. Seriously. People love to make a big deal out of everything, and stick their noses where they don't belong. If you don't want play someone, fine. It's not any player's place to judge another, or to demand justifications or explanation. If someone started badgering me about where I got my codex, I'd just say "It doesn't matter. Do you want to play or not?" Who do you think you are that someone should have to explain anything to you? This is a game, we're both gamers, that's it. Not the authorities, who I might add, couldn't care less where a gamer got their codex or how. Morals aside, there are far worse things to get that stressed out over.

**Selym**

Badger_Bhoy wrote:
The Shadow wrote:
I really couldn't care less if my opponent has bought his codex, downloaded it as a PDF, or stolen it from a shop, I'll play him either way, so long as he's a nice opponent. It's not my business where my opponent got his/her codex, or even models, from. If they stole them, not my problem, it's their issue to deal with any moral or legal consequences.

This. Seriously. People love to make a big deal out of everything, and stick their noses where they don't belong. If you don't want play someone, fine. It's not any player's place to judge another, or to demand justifications or explanation. If someone started badgering me about where I got my codex, I'd just say "It doesn't matter. Do you want to play or not?" Who do you think you are that someone should have to explain anything to you? This is a game, we're both gamers, that's it. Not the authorities, who I might add, couldn't care less where a gamer got their codex or how. Morals aside, there are far worse things to get that stressed out over.

Y'know there is an unwritten rule that states that as any conversation on the internet gets longer, the chance of Hitler or Nazis being mentioned reaches 1.

So...

My first thought after reading the end of your post was, unfortunately:

"Like Nazis!"

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**Griddlelol**

Rustgob wrote:

The difference is thus;

One or two pages is likely to be you carrying a photocopy reference of a few select pages from your codex.

The difference is pretty much only in your mind. In actuality there is no difference, and breach of copy right is breach of copy right. Frankly, the idea that companies can ever prevent it is ludicrous, and they should learn to embrace it rather than fight a losing battle.
It's already been shown that legal streaming of music improves sales, and I'm sure there could be free rules for warhammer 40k, which would be conducive to more updates too. The money would be generated from models.

**washout77**

Griddlelol wrote:
Rustgob wrote:

The difference is thus;

One or two pages is likely to be you carrying a photocopy reference of a few select pages from your codex.

The difference is pretty much only in your mind. In actuality there is no difference, and breach of copy right is breach of copy right. Frankly, the idea that companies can ever prevent it is ludicrous, and they should learn to embrace it rather than fight a losing battle.
It's already been shown that legal streaming of music improves sales, and I'm sure there could be free rules for warhammer 40k, which would be conducive to more updates too. The money would be generated from models.

While I wouldn't have problems with it, at least I wouldn't vocalize them (as long as the person doesn't go around bragging about it, but then bigger problems arise), and pirating things doesn't hurt the artist/creator I tend to point people towards buying a legal copy if only to support local business (I like my FLGS, so I buy all my stuff from them. Even if it's something I could pirate, I like to buy the book from those guys so they earn a bit of money)

But, in the grand scheme of things, this is a pretty stupid and futile argument to have. Pirates and thieves (as proved earlier not always the same thing) will continue to pirate and steal, and legal buyers will continue to legally buy no matter what people over the internet say

**Rustgob**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Rustgob wrote:
Griddlelol wrote:
ausYenLoWang wrote:

no but i bet if you went in with a full print out of C:SM you might get asked questions... 1 or 2 pages maybe but the full dex.....

What's the difference?

The difference is thus;

One or two pages is likely to be you carrying a photocopy reference of a few select pages from your codex.

On the flipside, why would you photocopy an entire codex, just bring the whole thing; Oh wait- you don't own the codex.

How much you bring essentially clues in those around you to how much you are (or are not) 'pirating' the rules.

Or because you don't want to ruin the codex by overusing it and bringing it everywhere. I know some people would rather use the PDF's and plug them into a binder for the rules while keeping the codex at home.

At the very least you'll have to fold the pages of the book's spine in order to scan. Tenuous excuse at best.

**Azreal13**

Badger_Bhoy wrote:
The Shadow wrote:
I really couldn't care less if my opponent has bought his codex, downloaded it as a PDF, or stolen it from a shop, I'll play him either way, so long as he's a nice opponent. It's not my business where my opponent got his/her codex, or even models, from. If they stole them, not my problem, it's their issue to deal with any moral or legal consequences.

This. Seriously. People love to make a big deal out of everything, and stick their noses where they don't belong. If you don't want play someone, fine. It's not any player's place to judge another, or to demand justifications or explanation. If someone started badgering me about where I got my codex, I'd just say "It doesn't matter. Do you want to play or not?" Who do you think you are that someone should have to explain anything to you? This is a game, we're both gamers, that's it. Not the authorities, who I might add, couldn't care less where a gamer got their codex or how. Morals aside, there are far worse things to get that stressed out over.

It's all extrapolation though.

Pirated rules? Wouldn't worry me, I've got PDF files, I don't own the original of every album I have in digital. So I wouldn't be so hypocritical to have an issue with this.
Recast models? Not that different to pirated rules, IMHO, as models are expensive and I can understand the temptation. I certainly believe many people who buy recasts simply wouldn't buy the model at full retail, so one COULD argue that it doesn't hurt the company as they wouldn't have sold an original to that individual in any case.
Stealing models from a store? This is a whole leap forward requiring a mindset that allows for the brass balls to walk into a shop and take things or flat out deceive someone online. Anyone with the mindset required to outright steal from somebody is already statistically more likely be the sort of character I won't enjoy playing.