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I really hate alot of Metal, especially the type with operatic vocals or a mixture of Scott Stapp style clean vocals and Growl. There's a couple of Bands i enjoy on a purely guilty pleasure kinda way like Nevermore, Devin Townsend, strapping young lad, Fear factory and Iron Maiden but apart from that i hate them. I say to alot of my friends 'Metal, without doubt, contains the worst music out there but also, imo, some of the best'.
In general, for me, it's all growl or go home. Good growl vocals often sorta blend into the music, Imo it often sounds a bit like another guitar or something.
Take these two songs by the Space rock/Post-metal band Rosetta:
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Worst Musician as far as I'm concerned - most of the modern rap scene gets an honorable mention, but
Kim Zolciak gets my nod. Why my girl watches that trash I don... well, no I do get it. I just wish she'd stop, anyways.
Most Overrated - pretty much everything I could think of has been mentioned. I don't know - overrated to me is "Liked more than their skill deserves." Where I don't generally rate music by the skill of the musicians, rather my enjoyment of the music.
I genuinely preferred the second one. Like, waaay more.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't love either of them. Each to their own, I guess.
Each to their own, I suppose, but I would have thought that overall the first one was a better crafted song with more intricacies than Black Veil Brides. You may prefer the second one, but the first is clearly a better song in terms of musicianship and the composition.
Out of curiosity, was it the harsh vocals that put you off, the utter pretentiousness of it or something else entirely?
As for bands taking themselves too seriously. Well, a lot of the guys in metal are very serious people. A lot of them probably are depressed as feth (I mean, try making DSBM when happy) and many probably are misanthropes. That's one end of the spectrum. Then you have the other side, the Folk metallers, who drink beer all day and dance to jigs all night. I don't know. Modern extreme metal (as in, modern forms (as in, post-90s stuff) such as 2nd wave black metal, melodic death metal, folk metal, post-black metal, Cascadian black metal (where you, Albatross, will find people that you probably never knew you hated so much - look at an interview with Aaron Weaver from Wolves in the Throne Room) and slam) probably is a weird thing to people not versed in the stuff. For some people I know (online, I don't know many people who listen to the same stuff as I do), listening to the Agalloch inspires images of nature, forests and snow.
Meh, I don't really care for classical music don't hate it either I mean sometime it's nice but I never actively go to listen to it. Almost all the music I listen to is some form of Rock music but I don't mind stuff influenced by classical music like prog rock or baroque pop.
You should probably use the term 'western art music' instead of 'classical music', as that refers more accurately to the 'classical' period of western art music, and can cause confusion, particularly when discussing Richard Wagner, a composer belonging to the 'romantic' period - both temporally and artistically.
You should probably use the term 'western art music' instead of 'classical music', as that refers more accurately to the 'classical' period of western art music, and can cause confusion, particularly when discussing Richard Wagner, a composer belonging to the 'romantic' period - both temporally and artistically.
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You should probably use the term 'western art music' instead of 'classical music', as that refers more accurately to the 'classical' period of western art music, and can cause confusion, particularly when discussing Richard Wagner, a composer belonging to the 'romantic' period - both temporally and artistically.
That's what's up.
Well crap. Now I just look silly
I'm just fething with you. I mean, what I said was true, but still...
For what it's worth, you can't paint all music from the 'western art' eras so broadly. It's like categorizing all music from the last century into the same group.
I genuinely preferred the second one. Like, waaay more.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't love either of them. Each to their own, I guess.
Each to their own, I suppose, but I would have thought that overall the first one was a better crafted song with more intricacies than Black Veil Brides. You may prefer the second one, but the first is clearly a better song in terms of musicianship and the composition.
Compositionally, there's not much to separate them, sorry to say. Switch out the growly black metal vocal for an over-prounced American accented emo whine and you've pretty much got a My Chemical Romance song. Indeed, my American cousin was in an emo-core band that sounded like pretty much exactly that. In terms of musicianship, the Black Veil Brides song was clearly superior in terms of musical technique. Their lyrics were appalling, though. Truly dreadful.
Out of curiosity, was it the harsh vocals that put you off, the utter pretentiousness of it or something else entirely?
You guys seem to think that folks like me don't like stuff like that because it's too 'harsh', but it's not that I found it harsh, I found it silly. The po-facedness makes it doubly-so. If I was to give you a flavour of the sort of metal I like, the most current band I can think of would be these guys. I just love the brutality. For me, THAT is what metal's supposed to be about. Unrelenting. Anyway:
Oh feth yeah. See also: Fear Factory (props to whoever mentioned them earlier, btw), EARLY (I can't stress this enough) Machine Head, Pantera, LATE Max Cavalera-period Sepultura.
As for bands taking themselves too seriously. Well, a lot of the guys in metal are very serious people. A lot of them probably are depressed as feth (I mean, try making DSBM when happy) and many probably are misanthropes. That's one end of the spectrum. Then you have the other side, the Folk metallers, who drink beer all day and dance to jigs all night.
See, it's precisely that sort of 'seriousness' that I'm talking about. It's like, I mean, I play table-top wargames, right? We all do. Those guys sort of act as though they don't get that it's make-believe, know what I'm saying? It's all make-believe. It's not real.
I'm probably not explaining myself very well.
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Fafnir wrote: For what it's worth, you can't paint all music from the 'western art' eras so broadly. It's like categorizing all music from the last century into the same group.
Ehh, yes and no. The Twentieth Century experienced an explosion in commoditised music, which in turn leads to increased participation in composition, performance and appraisal of secular music by the man-in-the-street. This in turn leads to greater generic diversification. It's a product of the subsumation of 'high' culture by 'low' or 'mass' culture - the more participants, the more diversity in terms of outcome.
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True, and my analogy was too exaggerated, considering how fast music has been evolving in the past 50 years (although that could be said of just about everything social and technological) but there's still some considerable variation.
MrMoustaffa wrote: Well on the Beatles thing, there's a reason I kept typing (personal bias) because yeah, that's my opinion. But I will stand by my statement that I believe the Beatles are incredibly overrated.
For my generation (early 20's) many people that go "ERMAGERDBEATLES" have hardly listened to any of their music. They know what they've heard on the radio, and what the older generations have told them, and that's it. Many have never heard a full album, yet they'll still say it. That's the main reason I personally view them as overrated, because many of their "fans" these days just say they listen to them to be cool and hip. They have real fans out there (Albatross seems to be one ) but the vast majority are people that heard a few songs, went "eh, its alright" and got chewed out by their friends for dissing the "greatest band ever." Now that's with my generation mind you, can't speak for everyone after all.
FINALLY! Someone who gets it. This. Albatross, just go on any of the image sites throughout the Internet (Cheezburger, 9gag etc.) and just see the meme-ified textual masturbation of the Beatles, it's enough to get anyone frustrated. Esp. when these same people as described by MrMoustaffa above are of the opinion don't like the Beatles, ergo you're a fan of Bieber.
As it says above, it's not that I dislike them (they're not my style of music anyway), it's how the Internet has warped them into some kind of parody, worshipped as a god along with Grumpy Cat, Bacon and Emma Watson. It's a bit difficult to explain, it's a little like trying to explain irony, it's a lot easier to be exposed to it firsthand to see clearly what someone is rattling on about without it getting too complex.
What's wrong with Emma Watson? I'd hit that so hard whoever managed to pull me out would be crowned the king of England.
On the topic of new bands that are pretty good and have recently appeared, Dethklok, Bang Camaro, The Answer, The Muggs, Jet, Airborne, and Charm City Devils are all relatively new bands and I love their music. And that's just what I can remember off the top of my head. I'm sure there's plenty more that I'm missing. Are any of them "the next AC/DC/Led Zeppelin/Beatles/whatever"? Probably not, but I like them all the same and love their music.
On the whole AC/DC thing, new AC/DC overrated? Yeah, definitely. Their newest albums (Black Ice and Stiff Upper lip) are the best ones Brian Johnson era AC/DC have put out in respect to catchy and interesting songs (besides Back in Black obviously. It's good, but it better be for being an homage to Bon Scott, one of the greatest frontmen ever), but they pale to anything recorded in Bon Scott era. Bon Scott may not have had the best voice, but for the music he sang, he was perfect. That rough, sly, and downright creepy at times voice was what made the original AC/DC into one of the best rock bands of that era.
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Often times I find that people who hate AC/DC have only heard their Brian Johnson era stuff, which they'd have a good reason for, as everything past Back in Black starts to sound very samey to all but the most diehard fans (Fly on the Wall had some cool songs as well as their 2 newest albums though). Everything with Bon Scott on them though sound like a completely different band. Those songs were some of his best as far as I'm concerned, and if you want to hear the "real" AC/DC, that's what I would listen to. Go to Walmart, and buy "Powerage" right now. Without a doubt, their best album, close second in my opinion being Highway to Hell.
Who knows, maybe the reason I hate the Beatles is because I'm listening to their "Brian Johnson" era stuff, instead of their "Bon Scott" era music?
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MrMoustaffa wrote: Well on the Beatles thing, there's a reason I kept typing (personal bias) because yeah, that's my opinion. But I will stand by my statement that I believe the Beatles are incredibly overrated.
For my generation (early 20's) many people that go "ERMAGERDBEATLES" have hardly listened to any of their music. They know what they've heard on the radio, and what the older generations have told them, and that's it. Many have never heard a full album, yet they'll still say it. That's the main reason I personally view them as overrated, because many of their "fans" these days just say they listen to them to be cool and hip. They have real fans out there (Albatross seems to be one ) but the vast majority are people that heard a few songs, went "eh, its alright" and got chewed out by their friends for dissing the "greatest band ever." Now that's with my generation mind you, can't speak for everyone after all.
FINALLY! Someone who gets it. This. Albatross, just go on any of the image sites throughout the Internet (Cheezburger, 9gag etc.) and just see the meme-ified textual masturbation of the Beatles, it's enough to get anyone frustrated. Esp. when these same people as described by MrMoustaffa above are of the opinion don't like the Beatles, ergo you're a fan of Bieber.
As it says above, it's not that I dislike them (they're not my style of music anyway), it's how the Internet has warped them into some kind of parody, worshipped as a god along with Grumpy Cat, Bacon and Emma Watson. It's a bit difficult to explain, it's a little like trying to explain irony, it's a lot easier to be exposed to it firsthand to see clearly what someone is rattling on about without it getting too complex.
What's wrong with Emma Watson? I'd hit that so hard whoever managed to pull me out would be crowned the king of England.
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Nothing's wrong with Emma Watson (or Bacon for that matter). I was just using her in an example of one of the many things (in this case The Beatles) that the Internet for some reason or another puts on a pedestal.
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Most over rated- Beiber and Taylor Swift. He is a spoiled wannabe michael jackson who got famous from Youtube and she pretty much sings about how every break up she has isn't her fault.
Overrated? A lot of (but not all) mainstream pop artists and some mainstream rap/hip-hop (or whatever, I know there's a difference, I just want to cover my bases) are pretty bad.
Albatross - you just went up a peg or three on my cool chart. Meshuggah AND FearFactory? When Im in a metal mood, those tow are my goto bands.
As for Dubstep, Its got a pretty wide range of style these days, from subtle to dark and crunchy. Im pretty sure you could find a style you like of it, unless you just cant stand any type of techno-esqe music at all.
Worsts: plenty! most have a very short careers. Beiber is on the list, B. Spears too! but not Gaga! (She learned that 'Explosive sells'!)
Overrated:
1. Gangnam Style
2. Beiber (again!)
3. Linkin Park
4. Korean girl gigs; Wonder Girls... especially
Overrated? A lot of (but not all) mainstream pop artists and some mainstream rap/hip-hop (or whatever, I know there's a difference, I just want to cover my bases) are pretty bad.
Worst: somewhere between Metallica and Kanye West.
Most overrated? Lars Ulrich or Joey Jordison.
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I was just using her in an example of one of the many things (in this case The Beatles) that the Internet for some reason or another puts on a pedestal. 
