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Okay, I've been playing around with the idea of getting some grey knights models (The terminators mostly) and chaossifying them to follow Malal (Aka Malice, the chaos god of chaos/disorder).
Unfortunatley my gaming group seems to get quite butthurt at the idea, claiming that because the fluff says it's impossible that I should just stick with normal CSM.
Now, I don't mind other people hating on the idea, because I'm going to do it anyway and field them in both GK armies and CSM armies (I'm going to have to be quite clever with how that works), and my idea is that when painting it they'll be mostly two colours. One Black, the other Leadbelcher. My idea is that for every part I paint Leadbelcher, it's twin on the opposite side of the model will be black (Left hand black, right hand silver). I also plan to put minor mutations on them, and modify the weapons slightly.

What I would like to know is:

What do you think of this idea?
Do you have any suggestions?

Chaos Grey Knights is a dumb idea. Chaos using Grey Knight's rules, that's a better idea.

Chaos Grey Knights is an amazing idea~　

The inquisition has always tried to hide their defects, and hence told the world that there has been no Grey Knights that fell to Chaos.

Also, the rejects of Grey Knights somehow survived and formed a Legion against Grey Knights.

 Selym wrote:
Okay, I've been playing around with the idea of getting some grey knights models (The terminators mostly) and chaossifying them to follow Malal (Aka Malice, the chaos god of chaos/disorder).
Unfortunatley my gaming group seems to get quite butthurt at the idea, claiming that because the fluff says it's impossible that I should just stick with normal CSM.
Now, I don't mind other people hating on the idea, because I'm going to do it anyway and field them in both GK armies and CSM armies (I'm going to have to be quite clever with how that works), and my idea is that when painting it they'll be mostly two colours. One Black, the other Leadbelcher. My idea is that for every part I paint Leadbelcher, it's twin on the opposite side of the model will be black (Left hand black, right hand silver). I also plan to put minor mutations on them, and modify the weapons slightly.

What I would like to know is:

What do you think of this idea?
Do you have any suggestions?

Chaos Grey Knights?

I don't know why so many people are against this though.

Make up your own fluff do your own conversions and play it anyway

 Makutsu wrote:
I don't know why so many people are against this though.

Make up your own fluff do your own conversions and play it anyway

Because it's a fairly gakky idea in the opinions of others?

Well nobody complains about Space Marines starting their own Chapters and stuff.

So if a GK went rogue and the inquisition covered it up, then there would be no evidence of these guys as they are very numbered too.

Using the Grey Knights codex for a Malice based chaos army would be cool..... But Chaos Grey Knights is pretty much a slap in the face of fluff, like successor Space Wolves or Tau worshipping Khorn

2x210 wrote:
Using the Grey Knights codex for a Malice based chaos army would be cool..... But Chaos Grey Knights is pretty much a slap in the face of fluff, like successor Space Wolves or Tau worshipping Khorn

Well, considering how much Matt Ward os a slap in the face to the fluff and crunch of WH40k, I think this ranks pretty low on the scale of slappage.

2x210 wrote:
Using the Grey Knights codex for a Malice based chaos army would be cool..... But Chaos Grey Knights is pretty much a slap in the face of fluff, like successor Space Wolves or Tau worshipping Khorn

This. If your local scene is good with it, more power to you... but if you travel with this, be ready to reap the whirlwind.

 Makutsu wrote:
Well nobody complains about Space Marines starting their own Chapters and stuff.

So if a GK went rogue and the inquisition covered it up, then there would be no evidence of these guys as they are very numbered too.

Yeah, nobody complains because it's not impossible, or extremely opposed.

Also, the Grey Knights aren't "very numbered", they have around 1000 men, that's a full chapter.

GK falling to worship of Malal would be unfluffy because GK are already dedicated to Khorne.

Yeah just don't make them GKs or that they ever were GKs. Call them an Elite Sorcery Army that functions like GKs (uses their codex).

Counts As grey knights, sure.

Actually being Fallen Grey Knights. Not cool bro, not cool.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Actually being Fallen Grey Knights. Not cool bro, not cool.

And why not? Even if you ignore the canon instances of Khorne worship by the GK the whole "can't be corrupted no matter what" thing is just plain stupid. Fallen GK is no worse than any other army falling to Chaos.

Chaos Grey Knights are like the prototypical 40k 'i is creativ' special snowflake idea. It's been beaten to death so many times even Nurgle doesn't want that zombie.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Actually being Fallen Grey Knights. Not cool bro, not cool.

And why not? Even if you ignore the canon instances of Khorne worship by the GK the whole "can't be corrupted no matter what" thing is just plain stupid. Fallen GK is no worse than any other army falling to Chaos.

Because saying they worship Khorne is both trolling and factually incorrect, if you actually bother to understand the fluff. Plus their own fluff says no GK has ever fallen to Chaos.

 blood reaper wrote:

 Makutsu wrote:
Well nobody complains about Space Marines starting their own Chapters and stuff.

So if a GK went rogue and the inquisition covered it up, then there would be no evidence of these guys as they are very numbered too.

Yeah, nobody complains because it's not impossible, or extremely opposed.

Also, the Grey Knights aren't "very numbered", they have around 1000 men, that's a full chapter.

No, I meant that the Betrayers would be pretty numbered due to them killing all the ones that failed the GK test and survive to live another day.


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 Grey Templar wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Actually being Fallen Grey Knights. Not cool bro, not cool.

And why not? Even if you ignore the canon instances of Khorne worship by the GK the whole "can't be corrupted no matter what" thing is just plain stupid. Fallen GK is no worse than any other army falling to Chaos.

Because saying they worship Khorne is both trolling and factually incorrect, if you actually bother to understand the fluff. Plus their own fluff says no GK has ever fallen to Chaos.

That's what the inquisition says to protect the order that they are sacred and can never be corrupted~
In the new Daemon Codex it says that a silver knight of shining armor in the Warp is now corrupt or has fallen, which sort of implies that there are Chaos GKs now~

 Grey Templar wrote:
Because saying they worship Khorne is both trolling and factually incorrect, if you actually bother to understand the fluff.

Sorry, but saying "we're not worshipping Khorne" as you go around slaughtering everything at Khorne's command doesn't make it any less Chaos worship.

Plus their own fluff says no GK has ever fallen to Chaos.

Of course it does. But their own fluff is in-universe propaganda, and of course the GK would never openly admit to losing members to Chaos. And since "absolutely impossible to fall to Chaos, never happened and never will" is an incredibly stupid idea I think I'm going to go with the more reasonable idea that GK are really resistant to Chaos but can and do get corrupted by it.

They do not follow Khorne's command, it's just 4-chan trolololing.

The Codex story specifies the knight is an Astartes, but it never gives any sort of indication as to his Chapter. The 'silvered adamantine' reference is to his will and not his armour. The Grey Knights are hardly the only chapter to carry weapons with runes upon them. There is nothing stopping this Astartes from being, say, a Black Templar.

I'm sorry, did I hear someone saying GK don't worship Khorne?



And they were fighting Khorne demons! I guess he wanted new play-things.

They are pretty fallen to me. You go with your Chaos GK idea and come up with some interesting fluff. I would love to read and see the models. They are your models and even if you wanted Pretty Marines, by the Gods, you had every right to build Pretty Marines.

/rant

 GreyHamster wrote:
The Codex story specifies the knight is an Astartes, but it never gives any sort of indication as to his Chapter. The 'silvered adamantine' reference is to his will and not his armour. The Grey Knights are hardly the only chapter to carry weapons with runes upon them. There is nothing stopping this Astartes from being, say, a Black Templar.

It doesn't specify Draigo, but he is one of the guys that are named out to be in the Warp for a long time and won't die.
Normally a normal SM being in the Warp would probably just get squished for being in there for that long.

Of course it doesn't specify but it can be somewhat implied and assumed that it is.
And if there's a slight possibility that Draigo is corrupted then other Grey Knights can be corrupted as well.

 Makutsu wrote:

 GreyHamster wrote:
The Codex story specifies the knight is an Astartes, but it never gives any sort of indication as to his Chapter. The 'silvered adamantine' reference is to his will and not his armour. The Grey Knights are hardly the only chapter to carry weapons with runes upon them. There is nothing stopping this Astartes from being, say, a Black Templar.

It doesn't specify Draigo, but he is one of the guys that are named out to be in the Warp for a long time and won't die.
Normally a normal SM being in the Warp would probably just get squished for being in there for that long.

Of course it doesn't specify but it can be somewhat implied and assumed that it is.
And if there's a slight possibility that Draigo is corrupted then other Grey Knights can be corrupted as well.

I never assumed it. It's only implied by those who want to imply it.

Also, Draigo is simply the result of loop holes and poor story telling, not the subject of who and what can be corrupted.

 Grey Templar wrote:
They do not follow Khorne's command, it's just 4-chan trolololing.

Yeah, it's just 4-chan instead of the obvious interpretation of the story that everyone who isn't a GK player saw as soon as they read it.

And yes, it's obvious. When you arrive on a Khorne-corrupted planet that has been turned into a giant "kill everything" arena for Khorne's amusement, slaughter the last remaining uncorrupted defenders, paint yourself with their blood, and slaughter everything else on the planet you are following the command of Khorne. Not even the most devout Khorne cultist could possibly find any fault in the GK's behavior in that incident.

 blood reaper wrote:

 Makutsu wrote:

 GreyHamster wrote:
The Codex story specifies the knight is an Astartes, but it never gives any sort of indication as to his Chapter. The 'silvered adamantine' reference is to his will and not his armour. The Grey Knights are hardly the only chapter to carry weapons with runes upon them. There is nothing stopping this Astartes from being, say, a Black Templar.

It doesn't specify Draigo, but he is one of the guys that are named out to be in the Warp for a long time and won't die.
Normally a normal SM being in the Warp would probably just get squished for being in there for that long.

Of course it doesn't specify but it can be somewhat implied and assumed that it is.
And if there's a slight possibility that Draigo is corrupted then other Grey Knights can be corrupted as well.

I never assumed it. It's only implied by those who want to imply it.

Also, Draigo is simply the result of loop holes and poor story telling, not the subject of who and what can be corrupted.

Well, poor storytelling or not, if there's a chance for Renegade GKs then it's there.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
They do not follow Khorne's command, it's just 4-chan trolololing.

Yeah, it's just 4-chan instead of the obvious interpretation of the story that everyone who isn't a GK player saw as soon as they read it.

And yes, it's obvious. When you arrive on a Khorne-corrupted planet that has been turned into a giant "kill everything" arena for Khorne's amusement, slaughter the last remaining uncorrupted defenders, paint yourself with their blood, and slaughter everything else on the planet you are following the command of Khorne. Not even the most devout Khorne cultist could possibly find any fault in the GK's behavior in that incident.

Poor writing can be easily interpreted as anything the reader wishes it to be. Wards slaughter of the Sisters is so poorly written, and comes out as something the World Eaters would do. It's supposed to represent the use of the Sisters blood as some form of protection, but comes out as a bloody slaughter.

I'd also like to note that anyone who fights and has a soul is a servant of the blood god, though they would not willingly admit it.


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 Makutsu wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

 Makutsu wrote:

 GreyHamster wrote:
The Codex story specifies the knight is an Astartes, but it never gives any sort of indication as to his Chapter. The 'silvered adamantine' reference is to his will and not his armour. The Grey Knights are hardly the only chapter to carry weapons with runes upon them. There is nothing stopping this Astartes from being, say, a Black Templar.

It doesn't specify Draigo, but he is one of the guys that are named out to be in the Warp for a long time and won't die.
Normally a normal SM being in the Warp would probably just get squished for being in there for that long.

Of course it doesn't specify but it can be somewhat implied and assumed that it is.
And if there's a slight possibility that Draigo is corrupted then other Grey Knights can be corrupted as well.

I never assumed it. It's only implied by those who want to imply it.

Also, Draigo is simply the result of loop holes and poor story telling, not the subject of who and what can be corrupted.

Well, poor storytelling or not, if there's a chance for Renegade GKs then it's there.

So there is none? Because I see none there.

2x210 wrote:
Using the Grey Knights codex for a Malice based chaos army would be cool..... But Chaos Grey Knights is pretty much a slap in the face of fluff, like successor Space Wolves or Tau worshipping Khorn

You mean like the one Tau that was empowered by Khorne? Aka, Firewarrior The videogame Novel?

So there is none? Because I see none there.

Uh, the silver knight going corrupt in the Warp?
It might not be Draigo, but if there is a chance that it is him then GKs can be corrupted.

 Makutsu wrote:

So there is none? Because I see none there.

Uh, the silver knight going corrupt in the Warp?
It might not be Draigo, but if there is a chance that it is him then GKs can be corrupted.

You do know mortal beings can enter the realm of Chaos? And there are other Space marines that are silver.

You've yet to give any hard evidence, and simply relying on one piece that doesn't even say it's a Grey Knight.