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If this is true, what are the possible implications on the Imperium and Mechanicus in the present, or if we were to move forward in the timeline?

The Mechanicus is keeping him sedated somehow, likely on the same fantastic drugs they are throwing into Empy.

Thanks Beaviz81, now I have the picture of some great big C'tan (probably looks like a big metallic dragon) high on LSD or something

It's sedated sure, but hijacking C'tan tech has never really been a good idea in the fluff.


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BlackSanguinor wrote:
Thanks Beaviz81, now I have the picture of some great big C'tan (probably looks like a big metallic dragon) high on LSD or something

It is, literally, a large metallic dragon.

In ''Mechanicus" novel it was made clear that mechanicus is completely unaware of his existance. Mag'ladroth is protected by few chosen ones who are called as ''Guardians of dragon". It's said that Emperor himself did imprisoned him there.

As for me, I don't buy that legend. Where is a lot more to a dragon than that and in which Emperor has no part in it. Even more, these so-called guardians might be self-delusioned bunch of psykers doing nothing, but sitting on their finding. They have no influence on him, nor they could protect anyone. I would be surprised if the Void dragon is at all aware of these lackies.

Ernestas wrote:
In ''Mechanicus" novel it was made clear that mechanicus is completely unaware of his existance. Mag'ladroth is protected by few chosen ones who are called as ''Guardians of dragon". It's said that Emperor himself did imprisoned him there.

As for me, I don't buy that legend. Where is a lot more to a dragon than that and in which Emperor has no part in it. Even more, these so-called guardians might be self-delusioned bunch of psykers doing nothing, but sitting on their finding. They have no influence on him, nor they could protect anyone. I would be surprised if the Void dragon is at all aware of these lackies.

My version is funnier and includes drugs.

Ernestas wrote:
In ''Mechanicus" novel it was made clear that mechanicus is completely unaware of his existance. Mag'ladroth is protected by few chosen ones who are called as ''Guardians of dragon". It's said that Emperor himself did imprisoned him there.

As for me, I don't buy that legend. Where is a lot more to a dragon than that and in which Emperor has no part in it. Even more, these so-called guardians might be self-delusioned bunch of psykers doing nothing, but sitting on their finding. They have no influence on him, nor they could protect anyone. I would be surprised if the Void dragon is at all aware of these lackies.

Just for the sake of discussion, say it wakes up during the current timeline?

 TheDiscoSpider wrote:
Just for the sake of discussion, say it wakes up during the current timeline?

Then it wants more drugs, just like Empy would, it would likely wake up Empy so they could be high together.

This has been hinted at for a long time. St. George and the dragon is supposed to be the Emperor and the Dragon (with a capital 'D').
It's long been rumoured that the Dragon is also actually the Machine God.

First thing that might happen is old Schism of Mars will finally be settled down and Adeptus Mechanicus will be in civil war with itself once again which will quickly be escalated into full-blown wars with Imperium. That is one scenario in which Adeptus Mechanicus publicly recognizes Void dragon as theirs Omnissiah. Of course, that would mean only a denouncement of the Emperor. Even more, I doubt that all of Mechanicus will accept him as their god, so civil war will wage once again, with quick escalation in which Imperium sides with loyalist part of mechanicus.
It would be interesting to see such powerful organisation led by C'tan. Even more, he might recognise his followers dedication and commitment in becoming machines and could decide that humanity offers him a lot more than anyone else. Mechanicus might grow immensely, adopting many if not all of Mag'ladroth technologies. In the end they could be advanced to a necrons levels, making them the most powerful force in a galaxy.

Second scenario might involve mechanicus denouncing him and forcing him to flee from mars. That will make a dragon a rogue god. He is a material being, so he would be very limited in many areas compared to warp gods. I believe that he will try to get his revenge on necrons using rogue parts of mechanicus as his main battle force and worshipers.

I do not see how Mag'ladroth future could not involve humans. Now adeptus mechanicus are just a perfect race for him. In it lies most of his potential power and it would be a waste not to try claim a godhood to them.

So what happens if the Emperor dies as the golden throne is failing and as the Eldar predict, the largest warp storm yet appears smack dab in the Sol system?

You guys know this is covered in one of the Horus Heresy books... Mechanicum The whole cult of the dragon and the person that took over guarding the dragon?

Also goes over the Dark sorted history of how a large part of the Mechanicus turned to the warp and how much knowledge was lost on mars due to the Horus Heresy

The Void Dragon grants mastery of machines, but at a price. Those who discover the truth about the AdMech's origins either fully worship the void dragon or go nuts and start ripping out their implants from their bodies, which given that most techpriests are over half machine, is usually fatal.

The Necrons in general seem to cause all sorts of weird effects in the minds of techpriests. A shard of the most powerful C'tan ever, a shard that fought the Emperor on pretty even terms no less, being the center-point of the AdMech is the likely cause of at least half of it's weirdness.

Far lesser C'tan shards can already play with reality like silly putty, but a peer of the Emperor? It's release would mean nothing but bad news. However, new fluff regarding the C'tan raises the possibility that the Emperor struck a deal with the Void Dragon to keep it away from the Necrons in exchange for it's help with mankind's technology.

You guys know this is covered in one of the Horus Heresy books... Mechanicum The whole cult of the dragon and the person that took over guarding the dragon?

Also goes over the Dark sorted history of how a large part of the Mechanicus turned to the warp and how much knowledge was lost on mars due to the Horus Heresy

Yep. It was mentioned in the first post and several others besides the first post ...

However, new fluff regarding the C'tan raises the possibility that the Emperor struck a deal with the Void Dragon to keep it away from the Necrons in exchange for it's help with mankind's technology.

In the old fluff (3rd ed codex) it was hinted that the Void Dragon may somehow also be related to the Golden Throne. Are they still suggesting that (I have the new Necron codex but haven't looked through it in ages)? I always thought that was an interesting take on it.

 Kain wrote:
Far lesser C'tan shards can already play with reality like silly putty, but a peer of the Emperor? It's release would mean nothing but bad news. However, new fluff regarding the C'tan raises the possibility that the Emperor struck a deal with the Void Dragon to keep it away from the Necrons in exchange for it's help with mankind's technology.

I highly doubt a C'tan would be willing to reason with the likes of the Emperor. The C'tan abhor Psykers and the Warp. Anyways, the Dragon probably didn't do battle with the Emperor until long, long after the Necrons' culling of the C'tan. I would say that if the Dragon hadn't been destroyed like the rest of its kin, it more than likely had already found a way to escape the Necrons by itself. If anything, it's more likely the Emperor imprisoned the Dragon against its will and the Mechanicus have just been using and abusing its power for thousands of years.

That, or the fluff from Mechanicum was semi-retconned with the advent of the new Necron Codex.

It's not the entire C'Tan, just a shard of it, and got its butt pretty thoroughly kicked by the Emperor and then buried on Mars. They're nasty, sure, but not exactly god-like, being all wrapped up in their pokeballs.

 Psienesis wrote:
It's not the entire C'Tan, just a shard of it, and got its butt pretty thoroughly kicked by the Emperor and then buried on Mars. They're nasty, sure, but not exactly god-like, being all wrapped up in their pokeballs.

The C'Tan likely was about as mighty as the Primarches.

The C'tan was beating the living gak out of their daddy. The same guy who spent months fighting the amassed forces of Chaos in the breached Webway Gate, alone and unaided.

"About as mighty as the Primarchs" lol.

This would make it vastly more powerful than the mightiest Greater Daemons. By several orders of magnitude.

Also, Psienesis, frankly calling it "just a shard" is a bit disingenuous. The retcon to Necron fluff was not in place then. Though the retcon did in fact make the C'tan seem even more powerful. A starving, mere shard of the Void Dragon fought on equal terms with the Emperor.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The C'tan was beating the living gak out of their daddy. The same guy who spent months fighting the amassed forces of Chaos in the breached Webway Gate, alone and unaided.

"About as mighty as the Primarchs" lol.

This would make it vastly more powerful than the mightiest Greater Daemons. By several orders of magnitude.

Also, Psienesis, frankly calling it "just a shard" is a bit disingenuous. The retcon to Necron fluff was not in place then. Though the retcon did in fact make the C'tan seem even more powerful. A starving, mere shard of the Void Dragon fought on equal terms with the Emperor.

Still daddy managed to get it and smacked the Void Dragon so hard it haven't managed to repair itself in 10k. years. That's about as long as Abaddon has launched failed black crusades in futile attempts to get the IOM to yield the right of way.

 Beaviz81 wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The C'tan was beating the living gak out of their daddy. The same guy who spent months fighting the amassed forces of Chaos in the breached Webway Gate, alone and unaided.

"About as mighty as the Primarchs" lol.

This would make it vastly more powerful than the mightiest Greater Daemons. By several orders of magnitude.

Also, Psienesis, frankly calling it "just a shard" is a bit disingenuous. The retcon to Necron fluff was not in place then. Though the retcon did in fact make the C'tan seem even more powerful. A starving, mere shard of the Void Dragon fought on equal terms with the Emperor.

Still daddy managed to get it and smacked the Void Dragon so hard it haven't managed to repair itself in 10k. years. That's about as long as Abaddon has launched failed black crusades in futile attempts to get the IOM to yield the right of way.

The AdMech is essentially free food and cultist nutjobs to inflate your ego with genuine worship, the Void Dragon shard has a pretty nice gig on mars. Also, before the Emperor was so much as a sperm in his daddy's sac, the Void Dragon canonically took multiple black stone fortresses firing at him (which fire psychic blasts that can shatter planets) for an extended period of time and only felt a little sleepy, then he fought with the Eldar god Vaul who was backed up by an entire army. THEN the Necrons sharded him after the Old ones rolled over and died.

It speaks ill of the Emperor (or well of the C'tan) if the Emperor only managed to beat a fragment of the Void dragon by the skin of his teeth who had already taken being blasted with his own weakness in copious amounts and fought a god damn Eldar God during the absolute peak of their strength and was then broken into tiny pieces.

A full power Void Dragon would notice the Emperor in the same way you would notice a beetle crushed under your boot.

No way, Empy is the mightiest being ever made flesh, and him bitchslapping the Void Dragon into a coma lasting 13k. years. Nevermind the Chaos gods had to corrupt a living god in order just to stand up to him and let him be filled with all their juices just to when Empy saw how far he had gone just smashed through the defenses and murdered his son in hot blood.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
No way, Empy is the mightiest being ever made flesh, and him bitchslapping the Void Dragon into a coma lasting 13k. years. Nevermind the Chaos gods had to corrupt a living god in order just to stand up to him and let him be filled with all their juices just to when Empy saw how far he had gone just smashed through the defenses and murdered his son in hot blood.

Emperor>Void dragon shard by a small margin.

Full C'tan>>>>Shard.

Ergo full Void Dragon>>>Emperor.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
No way, Empy is the mightiest being ever made flesh, and him bitchslapping the Void Dragon into a coma lasting 13k. years. Nevermind the Chaos gods had to corrupt a living god in order just to stand up to him and let him be filled with all their juices just to when Empy saw how far he had gone just smashed through the defenses and murdered his son in hot blood.

A C'Tan Shard was beating the living gak out of the Emperor. A C'Tan shard can send you back in time to the big bang and shoot antimatter out of its fingertips. A full C'Tan can make stars go supernova just by thinking about it. The Emperor used a deus ex machinae to barely beat a starved C'Tan Shard, and then realized he doesn't even have the power to kill it.

The C'Tan are the masters of the Materium. Nothing even comes close to rivaling them, sorry :(

Edit: Concerning the OP's question, if he woke up, he'd need to try to find all the other Void Dragon shards. If he found them, and somehow managed to amass an army large enough to fight the necrons currently holding said shards, and became a full C'Tan again, it would essentially be the end of the Galaxy as we know it.

 Mavlun wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
No way, Empy is the mightiest being ever made flesh, and him bitchslapping the Void Dragon into a coma lasting 13k. years. Nevermind the Chaos gods had to corrupt a living god in order just to stand up to him and let him be filled with all their juices just to when Empy saw how far he had gone just smashed through the defenses and murdered his son in hot blood.

A C'Tan Shard was beating the living gak out of the Emperor. A C'Tan shard can send you back in time to the big bang and shoot antimatter out of its fingertips. A full C'Tan can make stars go supernova just by thinking about it. The Emperor used a deus ex machinae to barely beat a starved C'Tan Shard, and then realized he doesn't even have the power to kill it.

The C'Tan are the masters of the Materium. Nothing even comes close to rivaling them, sorry :(

Edit: Concerning the OP's question, if he woke up, he'd need to try to find all the other Void Dragon shards. If he found them, and somehow managed to amass an army large enough to fight the necrons currently holding said shards, and became a full C'Tan again, it would essentially be the end of the Galaxy as we know it.

Was about to post this, but you covered it pretty well.

A fully powered C'tan would wipe the emperor away, like you wipe a spec of dust away.

I personally don't think you can quite compare the Emperor to a C'tan shard. It seems when the book was written - many years before the new Codex - that it was intended to show the Emperor as capable of overpowering a weakened/starving C'tan, rather than a generic shard, as shards weren't around in those days.
IMHO it would however seem reasonable to think that the Void Dragon would otherwise whump the Emperor if it wasn't starving etc.

Darth Bob wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Far lesser C'tan shards can already play with reality like silly putty, but a peer of the Emperor? It's release would mean nothing but bad news. However, new fluff regarding the C'tan raises the possibility that the Emperor struck a deal with the Void Dragon to keep it away from the Necrons in exchange for it's help with mankind's technology.

I highly doubt a C'tan would be willing to reason with the likes of the Emperor. The C'tan abhor Psykers and the Warp. Anyways, the Dragon probably didn't do battle with the Emperor until long, long after the Necrons' culling of the C'tan. I would say that if the Dragon hadn't been destroyed like the rest of its kin, it more than likely had already found a way to escape the Necrons by itself. If anything, it's more likely the Emperor imprisoned the Dragon against its will and the Mechanicus have just been using and abusing its power for thousands of years.

That, or the fluff from Mechanicum was semi-retconned with the advent of the new Necron Codex.

That's the case as far as I can tell: The Emperor didn't make a pact with the Void Dragon, but rather imprisoned it. Since then, it has - unbeknownst to the Mechanicum - been 'fuelling' their innovation and is in fact arguably the omnissiah.

An interesting question might be, with their belief and worship of the omnissiah, could the Mechanicum be inadvertently strengthening the Void Dragon?

An interesting question might be, with their belief and worship of the omnissiah, could the Mechanicum be inadvertently strengthening the Void Dragon?

Unless it's feeding souls into it, I don't see how.

Well there appears to be power in believing - or to a greater extent worshipping - in 40k, which MAY extend over to the Void Dragon?

 Just Dave wrote:
Well there appears to be power in believing - or to a greater extent worshipping - in 40k, which MAY extend over to the Void Dragon?

But doesn't that generally only apply to Warp-Sensitive beings? I would think things like emotion, and what not wouldn't have any kind of effect on a C'tan.

 Sasori wrote:

 Just Dave wrote:
Well there appears to be power in believing - or to a greater extent worshipping - in 40k, which MAY extend over to the Void Dragon?

But doesn't that generally only apply to Warp-Sensitive beings? I would think things like emotion, and what not wouldn't have any kind of effect on a C'tan.

I'm sure that even a rock can attain godhood if enough people believe it's a deity.

 Kain wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Just Dave wrote:
Well there appears to be power in believing - or to a greater extent worshipping - in 40k, which MAY extend over to the Void Dragon?

But doesn't that generally only apply to Warp-Sensitive beings? I would think things like emotion, and what not wouldn't have any kind of effect on a C'tan.

I'm sure that even a rock can attain godhood if enough people believe it's a deity.

Well if it's Orks believing it is, yeah