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 jah-joshua wrote:
well, things have gone all quiet on the RF page today...
hopefully this insanity will die down, because yesterday was off the chain...

the only thing Dakka Mods, and us users, should be doing now is look out for the next Mandelbaum move...
bringing him to light as a member of RF was all that was being done here...
through this, Alph got repaid, and the people who's packages "went missing" got refunds...
good job...

from here, as i see it, anything further is moot, and only makes us look bad...
the few remaining supporters of RF are going to give them money regardless...
that's their choice...
the public has been informed...
'nuff said...

until the next round...

cheers
jah

Agree with this comment, let us watch and listen and see what happens.

 insaniak wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Dakka has friends in high places, the reach of the cult is vast.

Given the behaviour displayed by Resin Forge so far in response to comments made in this thread, I would prefer if people avoid even joking about the idea of 'Dakka' being behind the behaviour of any individual on Facebook. 'Dakka' had nothing to do with it, and most certainly does not endorse that sort of behaviour.

Sorry, I didn't think it would be taken in any content like that and was just trying to make light of the "Dakka is a cult" comment. Will refrain from further statements like that.

Resin Forge:

Due to many requests, we are considering the idea of having all models that have been featured here, go up for grabs. Unlike bits shipments these would require a signature upon delivery and insurance.

Would any customers be interested? If so, send us a PM.

The beast below is just 1 example. The gallery itself is scattered worth works, but we are trying to put them all into this album : https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.536450509724043.1073741827.464657756903319&type=3

I notice their web store is still open for orders.

I notice their web store is still open for orders.

Despite all the "harassment" and emotional damage Mr Mandelbaum and his three families must have gone through, there were quite a lot of (documented) instances of announcing that trade would continue via PM. So why close the webshop?

I think he just said he was closing the shop to take the heat off him, thinking that we'd just say "Mission Accomplished" and move on. Clearly he is still operating, therefore he is still an issue.

I think he just said he was closing the shop to take the heat off him, thinking that we'd just say "Mission Accomplished" and move on. Clearly he is still operating, therefore he is still an issue.

There are multiple outside and inside eyes on him. And that won't stop until the promised business registration shows up. Not to forget the HH pics. Moving "8000 $" bits will take a while

P.S.: interesting how despite all the fierce shows of support none of his loyal customers who had their Fulgrims shipped spoke up in his defence Honi soit qui mal y pense

So Resin Forge has stated Daniel is longer with the business.

They have claimed Kim/Stephanie and Jason only handle bits, and Daniel handled conversions. Does this mean Daniel is back with Resin Forge? Whose conversions are they selling?

So confusing.....

Perhaps, as the conversions are probably made from RF stock, they are considered RF's to sell not Daniel's?

Koppo wrote:
Dates, you have to enter a start and end date for the search.

You'll find this

http://policereports.dallaspolice.net/publicreports/ReportOutput/525888055.pdf

Ok, so I'm going to be that guy that just says it. DM's address at this time is public knowledge, even if he WAS involved in RF and RF was eventually going to be a scam. Wouldn't it be smarter for him to just bug out? I mean...internet anonymity has expired.

 AustonT wrote:

Koppo wrote:
Dates, you have to enter a start and end date for the search.

You'll find this

http://policereports.dallaspolice.net/publicreports/ReportOutput/525888055.pdf

Ok, so I'm going to be that guy that just says it. DM's address at this time is public knowledge, even if he WAS involved in RF and RF was eventually going to be a scam. Wouldn't it be smarter for him to just bug out? I mean...internet anonymity has expired.

Does much of anything he's done strike you as "smart"?

Ok, so I'm going to be that guy that just says it. DM's address at this time is public knowledge, even if he WAS involved in RF and RF was eventually going to be a scam. Wouldn't it be smarter for him to just bug out? I mean...internet anonymity has expired.

Does much of anything he's done strike you as "smart"?

Well, since his whereabouts are known now and easily accessible to everybody who knows how to use a computer - that would explain why running is way more risky now. You know, people know where to look for their stuff. That's probably why he tried (or not ) to appear legit. Just speculation, obviously.

In any case he tries to push the sales by saying it's all done soon.



By the way, Daniel Forge, we are still waiting for:
- business registration (yes, also "liquidation sales" are taxable)
- pics from the HH weekender

Despite all your claims our interest was and is not to close RF, we want PROOF for your claims

AFAIK Mandelbaum's alleged scams are for fairly small amounts as regards individual customers. For example Alpharius was owed under $300. It's the kind of sum that few people would bother going half-way across the USA to try and recover in person, even knowing the address of the person they want to confront.

I don't now how difficult it is to do a small claims action in the USA, but in the UK you might not bother for the equivalent of $300. If you win, the defendant can just not pay, then you have to do a load more stuff to place a garnishee order on their bank account or call in bailiffs, and so on. Ultimately, unless the money involved is quite large, or you have a particular desire for revenge, it's just easier to get on with the rest of your life.

I've followed through a few actions as part of business, but I did the "domestic" one I've been involved in only because of the wife nebbing me.

Even if Mandelbaum did rack up a series of court judgements, he could avoid them by starting a new business and not registering it. The authorities would have no way of tracking him.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
AFAIK Mandelbaum's alleged scams are for fairly small amounts as regards individual customers. For example Alpharius was owed under $300.

Actually, he owed Alph WAY more. At one point it was closer to $1300.

 Aerethan wrote:
I think he just said he was closing the shop to take the heat off him, thinking that we'd just say "Mission Accomplished" and move on. Clearly he is still operating, therefore he is still an issue.

I have read everything here (and I will play devils advocate here), But when did this become a thread about closing him down? rather then just proving he was involved with/running RF?

Jim, you're either wilfully misconstruing aerithan's words, or are missing the point of the post.

It's never been about 'closing him down' - it's been about informing the gaming community to his reemergence, checking on whether he was up to his old tricks, and then about closing down his excuses as to why he couldn't prove, with any of his multiple personalities (6 and counting), that RF was a legitimate business with no possible issues.

He decided to close - on his own, with no call from anyone here.

RF claimed Mandelbaum had left the company even though it wasn't asked for, while offering no proof of it, and being indignant that the lack of proof was not believed.

Meanwhile they haven't offered the simple proofs of their business registration and their visit to HH Weekender, which actually have been asked for.

No-one believes anymore that RF is anything except Daniel Mandelbaum operating an illegal company. Clearly a lot of users think this is a shameful state of affairs and would like to see him stopped. Anyway, Resin Forge decided to announce they were closing (which they haven't). It's not something people have requested.

If their decision came about because the business became untenable due to the internet gak storm that arose from their obvious mendacity, it is an occasion on which the victim genuinely can be blamed.

Clearly he is still operating, therefore he is still an issue.

I have read everything here (and I will play devils advocate here), But when did this become a thread about closing him down? rather then just proving he was involved with/running RF?

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By the way, Daniel Forge, we are still waiting for:
- business registration (yes, also "liquidation sales" are taxable)
- pics from the HH weekender

Despite all your claims our interest was and is not to close RF, we want PROOF for your claims

He is still operating under the banner of not being Mandelbaum (anymore), having a business license and that Resin Forge DID go to the HH weekender. So the "issue" still persists, yes.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

He is still operating under the banner of not being Mandelbaum (anymore), having a business license and that Resin Forge DID go to the HH weekender. So the "issue" still persists, yes.

And would seemingly prefer to go "out of business" and stop making money rather than supply the legally required business license and perhaps pick up a good many new customers who might think they are on the up and up...

That's Logic!

I've seen a lot of people saying they think he'll be starting another company/business. I really wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't already.
What's to stop him? Is he going to go on vacation first? I think the biggest tell will be when/if RF does close by his choosing. By then the
new venture will be already up and going.

I've seen a lot of people saying they think he'll be starting another company/business. I really wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't already.
What's to stop him? Is he going to go on vacation first? I think the biggest tell will be when/if RF does close by his choosing. By then the
new venture will be already up and going.

The lack of RF activity would indeed suggest that. Moving 8K of stock would require a flurry of activity. So I guess sooner or later we will again see stunning FW conversions by a hitherto unknown company.

Those customers are insane... this company is closing due to connections to a known liar and 'alleged' scammer who runs ponzi's, yet they are jumping on a 'going out of business sale' where the 'alleged' scammer has shut off website ordering and is now only taking PMs on facebook?

Ya. That's a super legit way to do business. Stop and think about it Mandelzombs, what possible reason is there for him to stop business on his website and do it via PM? Why not just use the in place system with verifiable and trackable data? Why switch to a much sketchier and harder to verify PM? NOTHING about that makes any sense for a legit business, it increases his chances of getting away with something, and decreases your security.

These guys are nuts... at this point, for those slagging off us and others for trying to protect them will possibly be getting a harsh lesson in Mandelnomics.

Those customers are insane... this company is closing due to connections to a known liar and 'alleged' scammer who runs ponzi's, yet they are jumping on a 'going out of business sale' where the 'alleged' scammer has shut off website ordering and is now only taking PMs on facebook?

Ya. That's a super legit way to do business. Stop and think about it Mandelzombs, what possible reason is there for him to stop business on his website and do it via PM? Why not just use the in place system with verifiable and trackable data? Why switch to a much sketchier and harder to verify PM? NOTHING about that makes any sense for a legit business, it increases his chances of getting away with something, and decreases your security.

These guys are nuts... at this point, for those slagging off us and others for trying to protect them will possibly be getting a harsh lesson in Mandelnomics.

You know, it's like with lemmings. So calm down, lean back, let's see what happens I always say if somebody WANTS to do sth despite knowing the risks, at least he can provide a good example later Not going to waste any efort on a doomed cause there. Some popcorn? A beer?

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Those customers are insane... this company is closing due to connections to a known liar and 'alleged' scammer who runs ponzi's, yet they are jumping on a 'going out of business sale' where the 'alleged' scammer has shut off website ordering and is now only taking PMs on facebook?

Ya. That's a super legit way to do business. Stop and think about it Mandelzombs, what possible reason is there for him to stop business on his website and do it via PM? Why not just use the in place system with verifiable and trackable data? Why switch to a much sketchier and harder to verify PM? NOTHING about that makes any sense for a legit business, it increases his chances of getting away with something, and decreases your security.

These guys are nuts... at this point, for those slagging off us and others for trying to protect them will possibly be getting a harsh lesson in Mandelnomics.

How long can he keep them strung along before the 45 days for the Paypal claim expires will be fun emails to read. That's the ones that use PP.

Why do i get the feeling that in about a months time we're going to see thread posts that read

Customer X " Hi my names X i was scammed by the Mendleboner after i called all of you guys ***** and then sent him money "
Dakka forums " Hi X , we told you so "

Unfortunately there are none so blind as those that will not see.
All that we can do as a community is provide the information to the best of our ability, and then it is up to those reading it to decide what their best course of action is.

 Savagecoyote wrote:
Why do i get the feeling that in about a months time we're going to see thread posts that read

Customer X " Hi my names X i was scammed by the Mendleboner after i called all of you guys ***** and then sent him money "
Dakka forums " Hi X , we told you so "

Actually I bet we wont see those posts... MAYBE some; "Hey, you guys wanna help us out with a lawsuit?... "

lemmings dont like to admit they went off the cliff...

Actually I bet we wont see those posts... MAYBE some; "Hey, you guys wanna help us out with a lawsuit?... "

He also always need future defenders. So who knows

Some people just delude themselves, they think 'it'll never happen to me' or they dont mind dealing with someone dishonest because they are just getting such a good deal they don't care about anyone else who has lost money.

And thus spreads the Mandelzomb infection...