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Maybe a female "Q"......noticing that the new Kirk living up to the rumors....or confirming the rumors

Wow, way different oppinions from a certain critic here.

Mind you, it has ALL the spoilers, but he announces when he gets into spoiler territory.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/7335-Star-Trek-Into-Darkness

Aside from issues with the general direction of the reboot (a touch too popcorny for Trek, I feel), and a certain unnecessary plot device, I mostly enjoyed it and would probably rate it about the 4/5 mark.
I did leave the cinema with a lingering concern, however: (spoilered for those who have yet to see it)

The relentless pandering and references to the original are just there to distract you from realizing that JJ Abrams doesn't give two gakks about what the "star trek community" thinks.

Wow, I like Movie Bob, but he seemed quite butthurt over this. I wouldn't call the movie great, but it was fun and unlike him I would recommend it for an entertaining time. I didn't see the WoK references as purely references, but essentially, as Doctor Who would say, some things are fixed and happen no matter what. It is also a stop gap film that I think (hopefully) sets up them being able to move into completely original territory with the next film, as they start the five year mission. I also disagree with his take on Cumberbatch who was stellar in his ability to be extremely menacing through sheer projection of character.

That being said, I do agree it has it's flaws, but mine were quite different then his. In the end I would probably give it a B-.

To be honest I'd rather they plundered obscure EU works than simply stuffing in old foes such as the Borg, for instance, but I don't want the films to become little more than sugary fan-service.

The last one was supposed to be a "starting point" for "original territory" as well.


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 RossDas wrote:
To be honest I'd rather they plundered obscure EU works than simply stuffing in old foes such as the Borg, for instance, but I don't want the films to become little more than sugary fan-service.

The fan service is the sugar, but it's only there to disguise the bitter pill of star trek being made more for frat boys than for you.

 Rented Tritium wrote:
The last one was supposed to be a "starting point" for "original territory" as well.

Eh, the last was more about setting up the universe and introducing the new characters. I agree they didn't need to do this story to establish them, but I would be willing to be marketing research showed that people wanted Khan, so they went that way. If they just retread after the ending of the film then I will agree that they are just spinning their tires. Of course, considering the haul it is going to take (including more than just frat boys) they may get the wrong idea, and it wouldn't be the first time that producers took away the wrong message, that people like retreads of old stories.

I also don't like the divisive attitude of 'our Star Trek' and "this is for frat boys" attitude, and one reason I am glad that they changed it, as the rigidity and exclusiveness is kind of sad. It is like like a bunch of nerds one day decided it was just for them, and it gives them the chance to be donkey-caves about something and make fun of other people, especially for not getting it; the oppressed becomes the oppressor, as it were.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Rented Tritium wrote:
The last one was supposed to be a "starting point" for "original territory" as well.

Eh, the last was more about setting up the universe and introducing the new characters. I agree they didn't need to do this story to establish them, but I would be willing to be marketing research showed that people wanted Khan, so they went that way. If they just retread after the ending of the film then I will agree that they are just spinning their tires. Of course, considering the haul it is going to take (including more than just frat boys) they may get the wrong idea, and it wouldn't be the first time that producers took away the wrong message, that people like retreads of old stories.

I also don't like the divisive attitude of 'our Star Trek' and "this is for frat boys" attitude, and one reason I am glad that they changed it, as the rigidity and exclusiveness is kind of sad. It is like like a bunch of nerds one day decided it was just for them, and it gives them the chance to be donkey-caves about something and make fun of other people, especially for not getting it; the oppressed becomes the oppressor, as it were.

Cool, so now you have another group to feel superior about and call donkey caves for having opinions about things. Congrats!

 Rented Tritium wrote:
Cool, so now you have another group to feel superior about and call donkey caves for having opinions about things. Congrats!

I'm just describing their attitude as presented of "not for you, mine mine mine", which tends to be more problematic then "why must you think so narrowly". I'm not presenting myself as superior, I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of having that attitude, of which the farce is magnified when we realize that people are holding it for a piece of pop culture. Liking something isn't a problem, but clinging to a thing is. This is as silly as someone saying they don't like racists and responding that they are just as intolerant, and therefore the same as a racist because they don't like racists.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Rented Tritium wrote:
Cool, so now you have another group to feel superior about and call donkey caves for having opinions about things. Congrats!

I'm just describing their attitude as presented of "not for you, mine mine mine", which tends to be more problematic then "why must you think so narrowly". I'm not presenting myself as superior, I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of having that attitude, of which the farce is magnified when we realize that people are holding it for a piece of pop culture. Liking something isn't a problem, but clinging to a thing is. This is as silly as someone saying they don't like racists and responding that they are just as intolerant, and therefore the same as a racist because they don't like racists.

Let's say they announced that the next mustang was going to be a subcompact or that the next corolla was going to be a full size SUV. Would you tell the people who liked those cars before that they're saying "mine mine mine"?

Star trek has been fundamentally shifted into a different type of thing entirely. Dumbing down or actioning up star trek for movies is awesome and brings it to a wider audience, but what they did here was move it away from a segment of the original audience.

It is one thing to increase your target audience, it is another thing to move the tent. Imagine a venn diagram. What you want to do is increase the size of the sections so more people like it. What they did was move one of them completely.

Just got back from seeing the movie. Enjoyed it immensely. So in addition to rebooting the series, they're rebooting the even-odd rule for Star Trek movies

Only thing that bugged be is why did they need to take Khan alive for his blood? They had 72 other superhuman-sicles to take blood from...Why did it have to be Khan's?

I got the feeling Khan was the OG. Or it could be that they didn't have time to test the popsicles and knew that Khan's worked.

Either way I quite enjoyed the film. And a buddy of mine who went with me who has never seen anything Star Trek said it was excellent which to me is what the series needed. More people enjoying it instead of it appealing to a limited populace.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I got the feeling Khan was the OG. Or it could be that they didn't have time to test the popsicles and knew that Khan's worked.

Either way I quite enjoyed the film. And a buddy of mine who went with me who has never seen anything Star Trek said it was excellent which to me is what the series needed. More people enjoying it instead of it appealing to a limited populace.

In my personal Fanon Khan used the advanced tech recovered from the Romulan Squid Ship (which supposedly used Borg tech) to put nanites in his blood.

Since he never showed magic ressurection blood powers before.

that's also how the Enterprise and USS Vengence could go from Kronos to Earth in 12 seconds and how the Enterprise could hover a short shuttle ride from Kronos without being spotted.

And yes, these things annoyed me enough I had to actually think about them.

I still have no idea how Khan managed to put his crew into the torpedos but not get them unfrozen. There's a lot of ways the whole hostage gimmick could have worked but that one seemed a real stretch.

 Rented Tritium wrote:
Let's say they announced that the next mustang was going to be a subcompact or that the next corolla was going to be a full size SUV. Would you tell the people who liked those cars before that they're saying "mine mine mine"?

As always, context is king. It isn't just as simple as a change, but instead of just complaining about Ford making changes, the fans are feel the need to belittle those who might enjoy the model; recognizing one doesn't like the direction something has taken doesn't require insulting other people in the process, which is a problem I have been seeing.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
In my personal Fanon Khan used the advanced tech recovered from the Romulan Squid Ship (which supposedly used Borg tech) to put nanites in his blood.

Since he never showed magic ressurection blood powers before.

He also did a lot of other feats that the other Khan wasn't able to do, but guessed that it becuasew they had a better budget to show of someone who was geneitically modified to be a superhuman. Still, that doesn't really explain super blood. It certainly wasn't adequately explained, especially since a chemical that can revive necrotic tissue is quite a game changer.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
that's also how the Enterprise and USS Vengence could go from Kronos to Earth in 12 seconds and how the Enterprise could hover a short shuttle ride from Kronos without being spotted.

That is one of the problems of the film in that they don't give a good sense of the passing of time. Considering how they go on about how the torpedo's are experimental long distance weapons they are supposed to be firing from the neutral zone.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I still have no idea how Khan managed to put his crew into the torpedos but not get them unfrozen. There's a lot of ways the whole hostage gimmick could have worked but that one seemed a real stretch.

Khan didn't put his crew in the torpedoes, the admiral did. It was part of his blackmail scheme.

Hehehe....

Tribbles...

This as a sci fi film was ok, it's not star trek though, star trek has memorable characters and a fairly decent character developed plot, this has none of that, khan was downright boring, kirk shows no progression from the first film and Spock seems to be the same...I didn't like this film, too many plot holes and handwavium effects..so much potential wasted.

Now to wait for man of steel..here's hoping it's good.

I was decidedly underwhelmed. I think the casting is excellent, the villain was awesome,but the action sequences do nothing for me, and the plot made no sense, even compared to the first reboot movie. As an example, he blows up a research facility using a cunning plan, then just gets a cute little shuttle and tries to shoot Admiral Marcus. Nuh-uh, I don't buy it. I like my geniuses to actually use some cunningness.

 Fifty wrote:
I was decidedly underwhelmed. I think the casting is excellent, the villain was awesome,but the action sequences do nothing for me, and the plot made no sense, even compared to the first reboot movie. As an example, he blows up a research facility using a cunning plan, then just gets a cute little shuttle and tries to shoot Admiral Marcus. Nuh-uh, I don't buy it. I like my geniuses to actually use some cunningness.

agreed on the underwhelming aspect of the movie, I had pretty high expectations and found the plot to be way to predictable

 Rented Tritium wrote:
The relentless pandering and references to the original are just there to distract you from realizing that JJ Abrams doesn't give two gakks about what the "star trek community" thinks.

Not.. sure.. if sarcasm?

I loved it, thought it was the best Star Trek movie yet (felt like the damn movie was only an hour long!!!) and I found it far better than Iron Man 3: which is not a phrase I ever thought I'd type onto the Internet. I had friends who were planning on seeing a movie to iChat and I urged them to see this, telling them it was far superior to IM3. The movie was fun, had plot points that old fans expected (and were not disappointed with) and should have been quite enjoyable for new fans too. Very pleased, and I'll look forward to seeing it again!

Anybody else have a laugh when Kal Penn (Kumar from Harold & Kumar go to White Castle) showed up as Khan was crashing back on Earth? I appreciated his 1/4 second cameo-I'm sure Sulu had something to do with that.

I enjoyed it. A lot. Was it perfect? No far from it, but Pine was WAAY better, Cumberbatch was awesome and the plot was a total surprise and not spoiled in the trailers.

The ending was telegraphed a MILE off and was pretty lazy or at the very least a nod to the fans too far. The sacrifice was fine, as part of that characters arc it worked. But then it just got silly.

That said there were LOADS of nods to the original material that were both subtle and geniuine and a real pleasure for a long time Trek fan like me.

I've seen it twice at the Cinema and enjoyed it both times. Its flawed but i thought it much better than Iron Man 3.

I wanna know why Uhura has a job when they can just use a cell phone from the neutral zone to call earth...

I wouldn't bring that up to her. I mean....Kirk was trying to avoid the flare up in the shuttle when she was on the verge to rip Spock a new one....

 d-usa wrote:
I wanna know why Uhura has a job when they can just use a cell phone from the neutral zone to call earth...

She knows multiple languages and probably knows how the different forms of communication work on a technical level so that she can send, intercept, receive, and all sorts of other fun things relating to that field. I imagine their communication signals were being jammed, what with the whole 'sabotage the Enterprise to cause a war' thing. They broke the warp drive, why would they not also screw up communications?

But they couldn't jam a cell phone signal!

I was really happy with the amount of and the role of Scotty in this film too. Nice to see him challenging the moral objectivities of Starfleet


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Even if his little sidekick is a bit dumb......

 d-usa wrote:
But they couldn't jam a cell phone signal!

At what point?

 Ahtman wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I wanna know why Uhura has a job when they can just use a cell phone from the neutral zone to call earth...

She knows multiple languages and probably knows how the different forms of communication work on a technical level so that she can send, intercept, receive, and all sorts of other fun things relating to that field. I imagine their communication signals were being jammed, what with the whole 'sabotage the Enterprise to cause a war' thing. They broke the warp drive, why would they not also screw up communications?

not to mention without Uhura the bridge would have no eye candy

Com wasn't so much jammed as it was simply being ignored by Starfleet. I mean they were calling Starfleet who's boss is the guy in charge of the conspiracy. But I can't imagine an ship designed for exploration wouldn't have a communication specialist. Especially with a potentially hostile empire they could be at war with any time as a neighbor. I mean our naval officers could probably communicate by cell phone now but they have communication specialists.

I thought quite a few of the references were good. As a long time Trekkie but never really a fan of ToS I still have liked these movies. This one more than the first since we didn't have to spend 20-30 minutes introducing the characters.

And Cumberbach (or however you spell it) was awesome. His presence was excellent. He radiated threat and danger. His posture reminded me of large cats waiting to strike.