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Not loaded when I basically paraphrased these exchange of words:

 Melissia wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
You could play as female eldar or do you not like space elves?

My reasons for not liking that I'll PM you to keep this on topic.

I PMed Miguel the same general message a while back, I should note, but I don't know if he checks his PMs.

And the 3 other people who asked the same question.

 DemetriDominov wrote:
Not loaded

... is that so?

Then we are done here, and I have nothing more that I am willing to say to you.

Let's get back on topic. I think someone here was listening to a podcast and was going to give us the big points presented in it, if any?

DemetriDominov wrote:If there was any less variance to the available pictures of the SoB, most people would honestly think that every Sister descends from the Order of Our Martyred Lady.

Most of that is from licensed, i.e. outsourced material, though, and I think one might even be fan-art. The codices themselves are predominantly black&white or greyscale, and one of the few coloured pictures (in addition to the two you posted) even shows us a black Sister, in the Seraphim squad from the Argent Shroud.
Still, a level of "look-samey'ness" is to be expected for the younger rank-and-file Sisters. Giving everyone the same haircut and keeping them at the same level of physical fitness does a lot to unify appearances. Just like in the real world military.

But yeah, I'll never get tired of facepalming at Blanche's high-heeled Sister Gaga either.

It's really no different than finding that ninety percent of marines are depicted as Ultramarines. The difference there, I suppose, is that Marines are given seven codices while Sisters are given one sort-of codex.

 Lynata wrote:

DemetriDominov wrote:If there was any less variance to the available pictures of the SoB, most people would honestly think that every Sister descends from the Order of Our Martyred Lady.

Most of that is from licensed, i.e. outsourced material, though, and I think one might even be fan-art. The codices themselves are predominantly black&white or greyscale, and one of the few coloured pictures (in addition to the two you posted) even shows us a black Sister, in the Seraphim squad from the Argent Shroud.
Still, a level of "look-samey'ness" is to be expected for the younger rank-and-file Sisters. Giving everyone the same haircut and keeping them at the same level of physical fitness does a lot to unify appearances. Just like in the real world military.

But yeah, I'll never get tired of facepalming at Blanche's high-heeled Sister Gaga either.

Licensed and outsourced material GW bought to represent its depiction of the SoB, just as it does with virtually every army (it pays artists to make their incredible art). One is fan art, suggesting that even the fans think of the race as a two dimensional army; Either that of Our Martyred Lady, or not. Just another show of how hard the studio stamped its first and only attempt at the race into the non-existent codex. I disagree with Mel on the comparison between Ultramarines and the good ol' Black Red White of OML, but now we're just digging deeper into this thread's grave.

 Lynata wrote:

DemetriDominov wrote:If there was any less variance to the available pictures of the SoB, most people would honestly think that every Sister descends from the Order of Our Martyred Lady.

Most of that is from licensed, i.e. outsourced material, though, and I think one might even be fan-art. The codices themselves are predominantly black&white or greyscale, and one of the few coloured pictures (in addition to the two you posted) even shows us a black Sister, in the Seraphim squad from the Argent Shroud.
Still, a level of "look-samey'ness" is to be expected for the younger rank-and-file Sisters. Giving everyone the same haircut and keeping them at the same level of physical fitness does a lot to unify appearances. Just like in the real world military.

But yeah, I'll never get tired of facepalming at Blanche's high-heeled Sister Gaga either.

Man, I love that pic but then again I'm of the opinion that out of all the warhammer artists John Blanche captures the mood and atmosphere of warhammer and warhammer 40K better than anyone else, plus I love seeing goofy/bizarre things crop up in the setting.

Indeed, Games Workshop's complete and utter lack of creativity aside...

 Cheesecat wrote:
Man, I love that pic but then again I'm of the opinion that out of all the warhammer artists John Blanche captures the mood and atmosphere of warhammer and warhammer 40K better than anyone else, plus I love seeing goofy/bizarre things crop up in the setting.

I'm of the opinion that out of all Warhammer artists, John Blanche most needs to quit and become a monk and never, ever draw anything ever again.

Even his "good" stuff is pretty damned bad.

Add Matt Ward and I'll agree with you for once Mel.

 Melissia wrote:
Indeed, Games Workshop's complete and utter lack of creativity aside...

 Cheesecat wrote:
Man, I love that pic but then again I'm of the opinion that out of all the warhammer artists John Blanche captures the mood and atmosphere of warhammer and warhammer 40K better than anyone else, plus I love seeing goofy/bizarre things crop up in the setting.

I'm of the opinion that out of all Warhammer artists, John Blanche most needs to quit and become a monk and never, ever draw anything ever again.

Even his "good" stuff is pretty damned bad.

There's more to art than just technical skill, honestly out of all the warhammer artists I think he is the most creative and unique conceptually.

 Cheesecat wrote:
I think he is the most creative

I'm not sure I'd use the word creative. Different maybe, but his stuff isn't creative so much as he has his specific kinks and he loves to insert them everywhere he can, and never varies from that.

 Melissia wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
I think he is the most creative

I'm not sure I'd use the word creative. Different maybe, but his stuff isn't creative so much as he has his specific kinks and he loves to insert them everywhere he can, and never varies from that.

Yeah, that is true that he has specific kinks (rough crude look, skulls, limited colour palette, etc) but in comparison to most other fantasy or sci-fi it's still pretty bizarre and distinguished.

 Cheesecat wrote:
Yeah, that is true that he has specific kinks (rough crude look, skulls, limited colour palette, etc)

... absurdly high heels, unnaturally long legs, skin-tight outfits (especially where it makes no sense for them to be skin-tight, like power armor), and probably dozens of other things I could name if I wanted to torment myself by taking a look at his atrocious artwork.

There's many better Warhammer artists.

Namely, all of them.

Dunno,

Whoever did this:



or that incredible work of art involving layered ink splatters to create the best black and white depiction of an Eldar Pysker (indeed one of the greatest pieces of art I have ever seen) deserves more fame and credit to the IP than John and Matt could ever receive.

Honestly, if the Devs somehow can replicate that artwork on the Eldar in game somehow, I would literally drop my IG army in a furnace and play Eldar for the rest of my life.

While on technical level those are much better than John Blanche I still find John Blanche's work much more recognizable, but then again I just love the crudeness, weirdness and gritty feel of John Blanche's it just screams warhammer and warhammer 40K so much to me so I don't think

you're going to convince me.

I think it screams less "40k" and more "desperate cry for help", myself.

 Melissia wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
Yeah, that is true that he has specific kinks (rough crude look, skulls, limited colour palette, etc)

... absurdly high heels, unnaturally long legs, skin-tight outfits (especially where it makes no sense for them to be skin-tight, like power armor), and probably dozens of other things I could name if I wanted to torment myself by taking a look at his atrocious artwork.

There's many better Warhammer artists.

Namely, all of them.

Warhammer and warhammer 40K has always been style over logic and realism that's part of the appeal to the setting.

 Melissia wrote:
I think it screams less "40k" and more "desperate cry for help", myself.

Lmao

And Blanche's style is not 40ik.


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That said we're going way, WAY off topic, so I think we should break until we hear something really new

 Melissia wrote:
And Blanche's style is not 40ik.

What do you mean? His art is purely about capturing a specific style (whether that's good or not) rather than thinking about the logic behind it.

 Melissia wrote:

That said we're going way, WAY off topic, so I think we should break until we hear something really new

Start that other thread.

I don't define 40k as bondage fetishism.

 Melissia wrote:
I don't define 40k as bondage fetishism.

To each their own, I guess.

Fair enough. What aren't you satisfied about the Eldar.. the DE not included of course.

Personally, I think Blanche has laid some important groundwork by establishing a unique visual style. Other artists may end up crafting superior imagery today, but they are building on the foundation that JB laid out. I just think a lot of the "crazy" wouldn't be around if it weren't for him, and I think 40k would be less rich for it (in terms of unique appearances).

There just are some images which I think should be put to rest rather than get reprinted, 's all.

For SoB, my favourite artist is/was Andrea Uderzo. She has drawn some stuff for FFG lately, too - the Rogue Trader cover is her work.

DemetriDominov wrote:Licensed and outsourced material GW bought to represent its depiction of the SoB, just as it does with virtually every army (it pays artists to make their incredible art).

But the people from the core studio had no say in it. It's like blaming some weird Black Library fluff on GW, as in GW = the Codex writers and game designers.
These licensing deals are handled by entirely different people (which is why the results sometimes look so different - just compare the cover of "Hammer & Anvil" to Codex artwork), and at least one image you posted wasn't even paid for by GW, as in GW = the company, but THQ, who financed the development of DoW Soulstorm.

[edit] Apologies, was still drafting this post as y'all decided to return to the original topic.

Well 1; FFG isn't really the same thing as GW in their partnership, and 2: To become an artist for/at GW you have to pitch them an offer through a portfolio. I know, because it's on the same BL site as pitching a novel (which I have done on 3 separate occasions over the past 4 years).

GW has ALL the say in what they print, because they are PAYING people for their talent.

I think this thread has become lost in the Warp and strayed too far. I vote this thread be closed and a new thread be opened up with the podcast info and nothing save infor on the game or miguel's posts should be allowed.

We can argue/debate art style, the business practices of GW when it comes to the Sisters, wish lists for the game somewhere else.

Or should we just continue here?

That assumes that the podcast has anythign that's actually new...

Come now Melissia, don't you wanna hear more about how he likes to teabag folks in vidya gaems?

Personally, if I read him saying "there is only war" again I will ragequit the forum for a few hours to go on a killing spree in X3: Albion Prelude.

 DemetriDominov wrote:

1. The four oldest and most iconic races to the IP ..

Chaos isn't even mentioned in the original RT rulebook...whereas a certain other army is....

Still, perhaps they will get Squats...sorry the Demiurg in as first day DLC?

I've played both Sisters and Necron since their first Codex and ED list respectively. I would love to see either of them in the game...but I am concerned that if we end up with too many races in the game the abilities, weapons, etc might start to get diluted. There are obviously a lot of background material and rules to drawn upon.

Is this game going to be each race against all of the others? If it is then population imbalance is going to be a real issue - particularly if people start faction hoping to the winning team. That being the case, single racial factions could be crippled if they are unpopular.

I don't like John Blanche's artwork. Scruffily drawn spikes on everything....

Regarding relative strengths might we need to see some hefty compromises in order to make a workable game? Example, IG vs SM in HtH combat. If Marines get access to Drop Pods, or there are a lot of urban areas that allow jump pack troopers to get into HtH will a good IG player be able to take down an average Assault Marine player? I would hope so as this could reflect the possibility of an IG winning in assault against a Marine.