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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
What a strange thing to hear so many claimed libertarians in this thread now calling for the government to compile more records on people and insinuate it's self into people's lives yet further.

Up to an including biometric IDs!

Still need to show id even with your bar code citizen!

Pick up the can, Frazzled.

 Manchu wrote:
Pick up the can, Frazzled.

Sorry, thats like recycling. I am from Houston, we're constitutionally banned from recycling, or driving fuel efficient vehicles, or eating in moderation, or noticing if a refinery blows up.

It picks up the can or it gets the shock baton.

In the future, scanning your ID tatoo will not only help your local overseer determine (likely via XBox) whether you are allowed to vote/if your "vote" will be counted but also whether you are eligible for medical treatment by allowing health care professionals immediately access to your biometirc history and insurance coverage information.

Of course these are only a few potential benefits of the program. The applications for keeping the undesirables in their place streamling public life with private industry sensibilities are endless. All brought to you by the GOP.*

*subsidiary of Weyland-Yutani Corp. - Building Better Worlds

Blame the GOP but the ACA is all Democrat, including sharing data across departments.

(looks at NSA) How's that transparent administration working out for ya?

And I'm not sure what new database would be created. All of this information is already supposedly on record. That is the point. Proving that.

You know, I think somebody could honestly sell me on state issued bar codes. Not because I'm particularly fond of the idea of being immediately traceable at any point in time, just because I have the magical ability to always lose my ID. Especially right before I need it for something.

 Frazzled wrote:
Blame the GOP but the ACA is all Democrat

Hey, I never said the bar code could be used to scan for firearm ownership information. I'm not some kind of lunatic after all!

 Manchu wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Blame the GOP but the ACA is all Democrat

Hey, I never said the bar code could be used to scan for firearm ownership information. I'm not some kind of lunatic after all!

OH GOD NOT THE GUNS!

See, political discussions on Dakka are much more fun if we drop the tissue-thin pretense of being reasonable people with serious views and just frantically wrap our skulls in tin foil (or throw off dowdy top hats to reveal already-tinned pates) while reveling shamelessly in dystopic scifi allusions. Now how about a round of wiener dog jokes! Government-issued IDs for all wiener dogs or its to the pound! (law already in place, rest easy citizens)

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I can once again post my personal yearlong struggle of proving my citizenship and the difficulties we had in satisfying agencies and trips to court we had make for me to get any proof of citizenship on a pre-9/11 world.

But it would just get in the way of "HerpDerp it's easy to get proof people just wanna allow voter fraud" talk

And rational arguments would just get in the way of anecdotal evidence, right?

Then proof how requiring citizenship was easy for me.

My personal experience might be anecdotal evidence. But it's more evidence than all this magical "it's not that hard to prove" hand waving.

Proof of citizenship was easy for me, also. Getting proof that satisfied the Federal government passport requirements took eight months though. Stupid California has so much fraud that the Fed won't except "Birth Extracts" as proof.

Manchu...remove the pic you posted. Its a "Body tag"...basically you just posted someone last four SSN. The first two number are the middle SSN to confirm the body. I have one similar on my body except mine is "15 ? ? ? ?. Its a tattoo on a "recoverable" piece of body incase of close encounter with a IED or something explosive in nature.

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Instead of a barcode mine is on a set of dog tags. Mine is not on the wrist but located right side of ribcage.....never again....solid black ink over two rib bones....ouchie

If somebody post a picture of their partial social on the Internet then they can't really complain if it is posted elsewhere.

Anybody that walks by him in person can steal it in 2 seconds anyway.

I do not think Manchu understand what he posted nor do I think he would condone it if someone else was posting it if he knew what it was and what it represent.

 Jihadin wrote:
I have one similar on my body except mine is "15 ? ? ? ?. Its a tattoo on a "recoverable" piece of body incase of close encounter with a IED or something explosive in nature.

Instead of a barcode mine is on a set of dog tags. Mine is not on the wrist but located right side of ribcage.....never again....solid black ink over two rib bones....ouchie

Well whoever it belongs to posted it on the internet so if it was a secret it is a little late. If it were just the number I could see the issue, but they made it into artwork and showed the world, so I don't think this is meant to be sacred or a secret.

So its acceptable to repost chucklehead mistake? Alright no issue then Since its my perception that it is wrong.

 Jihadin wrote:
So its acceptable to repost chucklehead mistake? Alright no issue then Since its my perception that it is wrong.

What makes you think it is a mistake? I didn't say you were wrong to have the thoughts and feelings you had, I just gave a reasonable alternative, i.e. they want people to see it so they shared it.

 d-usa wrote:
Then proof how requiring citizenship was easy for me.

My personal experience might be anecdotal evidence. But it's more evidence than all this magical "it's not that hard to prove" hand waving.

Seeing as I had to prove my identity several times before entering the United States, and several times after (like millions of others), no it's not that hard.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Then proof how requiring citizenship was easy for me.

My personal experience might be anecdotal evidence. But it's more evidence than all this magical "it's not that hard to prove" hand waving.

Seeing as I had to prove my identity several times before entering the United States, and several times after (like millions of others), no it's not that hard.

So you are saying that I didn't have to have to go through district courts to get my stuff straighened out? And that because you didn't have any problems nobody has problems?

If I remember correctly D...I might be wrong....were your medical records burnt up? Either in Germany or Illonioussomething?

Yup, lost in one of the big warehouse fires that happened during the base drawdowns in Europe. Burned up, except for an old copy of a copy that we had. So we had no official proof that I was the child of a US citizen and had citizenship through that. Had to go get original birth records from Germany and marriage certificates for my parents (who are long divorced), get them translated, then submitted, then spend a few trips to different court houses to file more papers and give sworn statements that I didn't just come out of a swamp bubble and some calls to a congress critter. Keep in mind that this was pre 9/11 though, so I would imagine that it is even more fun now.

It wasn't impossible, but it is definetly hard. And I had the resources and connections in two countries to make this all happen. What if I didn't have family left in Germany that could get me all the required paperwork from there? What if I didn't have the means to physically go to all these different agencies and courts? What if I didn't have the money to pay for legal translation services on my German birth certificates.

I'm not saying that for the majority of people it is pretty easy to get proof of citizenship. Now that all this is over for me, I simply hand my passport over and the problem is taken care of.

But simply say "everybody can just prove their citizenship, it's not a big deal" is wrong.

 d-usa wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I can once again post my personal yearlong struggle of proving my citizenship and the difficulties we had in satisfying agencies and trips to court we had make for me to get any proof of citizenship on a pre-9/11 world.

But it would just get in the way of "HerpDerp it's easy to get proof people just wanna allow voter fraud" talk

And rational arguments would just get in the way of anecdotal evidence, right?

Then proof how requiring citizenship was easy for me.

My personal experience might be anecdotal evidence. But it's more evidence than all this magical "it's not that hard to prove" hand waving.

I can relate to this. The paperwork I had to fill in just to go to the States for a holiday really got my goat! You would think that somebody who was going there to spend a lot of cash would be welcome in these tough economic times!

 Manchu wrote:
See, political discussions on Dakka are much more fun if we drop the tissue-thin pretense of being reasonable people with serious views and just frantically wrap our skulls in tin foil (or throw off dowdy top hats to reveal already-tinned pates) while reveling shamelessly in dystopic scifi allusions. Now how about a round of wiener dog jokes! Government-issued IDs for all wiener dogs or its to the pound! (law already in place, rest easy citizens)

Both TBone and Rodney have chips in them. Not really necessary for TBone as he moves about 1/10 a mile an hour now.

 d-usa wrote:
So you are saying that I didn't have to have to go through district courts to get my stuff straighened out? And that because you didn't have any problems nobody has problems?

And your experience is typical? Or is it an exception to the rule?
If your records were " lost in one of the big warehouse fires that happened during the base drawdowns in Europe" then that is far from a typical situation, and a situation that not many people are likely to experience. I'm sorry that you had to go trough it, but please stop treating an isolated and minor incident as a major hurdle for proving who you are.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I can relate to this. The paperwork I had to fill in just to go to the States for a holiday really got my goat! You would think that somebody who was going there to spend a lot of cash would be welcome in these tough economic times!

Really? You didn't just spend 10 minutes filling out an ESTA?


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 d-usa wrote:
Then proof how requiring citizenship was easy for me.

My personal experience might be anecdotal evidence. But it's more evidence than all this magical "it's not that hard to prove" hand waving.

So your experience is "more evidence" than the many thousand that have to prove their identity to apply for US visas each year?

I don't give a rat's ass about voter fraud, but when I went and voted in 2011 (did absentee in 2012), I needed a valid driver's license/state id with an address that matched the address on my voter registration (of which it didn't, since I had moved between when I registered to vote in 2006 and when I needed it in 2011).

Currently to vote in the United States (barring individual state laws) a person needs to be:
A Citizen of the United States (either by birth such as me, or naturalized such as Dreadclaw69)
18 years of age

The article in the OP states that voter registration is often handled when a person gets a driver's license and that the US voter registration has a box to check that states under penalty of perjury that you declare you are a valid US Citizen. To get that driver's license you need (in most cases):
US born

US Birth Certificate or Registration of Birth (Hospital issued not acceptable; foreign place of birth see Non-US Born)
US Passport or Passport Card

Non-US born

Foreign Passport w/ supporting documents (See Legal Presence noted below)*
Certificate of Naturalization*
Certificate of Citizenship*
Permanent Resident Card*
Consular Report of Birth Abroad

So if you show something that shows you're a citizen of another country, you can get a US driver's license (My roommate last summer was a citizen of Guatemala, resides in Arizona, but has an Ohio Driver's License ), but no voter registration for you.

I just don't think it's a hassle for people to have IDs to prove they are who they say they are, when you need an ID for most things in today's day and age.

 Frazzled wrote:
Its not creating more records.

It was necessary 20 years ago.

Here let me try:

It does create more records.

It was not necessary 20 years ago.

Convinced yet? I can repeat it louder if you need me to.

 Alfndrate wrote:
I just don't think it's a hassle for people to have IDs to prove they are who they say they are, when you need an ID for most things in today's day and age.

I know. It's objectionable to ask for ID to vote. But perfectly fine if you want to buy a beer, drive a car, apply for credit, buy a gun, apply for some jobs etc.

 Easy E wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Its not creating more records.

It was necessary 20 years ago.

Here let me try:

It does create more records.

It was not necessary 20 years ago.

Convinced yet? I can repeat it louder if you need me to.

Nope, the NSA already has all the records we need.