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 Happyjew wrote:
Super Newb wrote:
 Happyjew wrote:
And honestly, I would be perfectly fine with the guys inside not being able to disembark until the pod is destroyed. It means I get to shoot out of it and not get shot back.


How can you shoot out of something with no fire points?


Drop Pods are Open-topped vehicles. Thus they have no defined Fire Points and every model inside can fire.


They aren't Open-topped because the shameless person glued all the doors shut, remember?
   
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Yes they are. Drop Pod, Unit Type: Vehicle (Open-topped, Transport)

There are no rules that say that vehicle doors must open to allow models to fire. Or do you expect Rhinos to open their back hatch to allow models to fire?

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 Happyjew wrote:
So? There are no rules that say that vehicle doors must open to allow models to fire. Or do you expect Rhinos to open their back hatch to allow models to fire?


LOL! What's your deal man? I mentioned my tongue in cheek house rule and you are apparently taking things seriously. If you really want to be 'That Guy' or whatever the abbreviation is, That Guy who glues all his drop pods shut and then tries to argue that pods completely block line of sight, then you might as well tattoo 'That Guy' on your forehead, grow a twirly mustache and kidnap the hero's gf and tie her to the train tracks.



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 Happyjew wrote:
Yes they are. Drop Pod, Unit Type: Vehicle (Open-topped, Transport)


Sigh, remember we were talking about house-rules? And then you babbled on about your guys staying inside the drop pod (which is not allowed normally). Do you remember how we moved away from actual rules so it would be downright foolish to try to continue to discuss this?

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Super Newb, You do realize that in 6th ed 40K if a model blocks Line of Sight to a unit your other models want to target, they can not target that unit as it is not in line of sight.

The doors, while up will block line of sight just like any other model would block line of sight.

Why is everything different for Drop pods as opposed to Land raiders or other transport vehicles?

They are the same in the rules, and the doors on the Land Raider do not have to open, indeed many people glue those doors shut and no one has an issue with it. Someone does that to a drop pod and all hell breaks loose...

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Super Newb wrote:
LOL! What's your deal man? you might as well grow a twirly mustache and kidnap the hero's gf and tie her to the train tracks.


I wish I could...sigh...Last time I tried to grow a mustache it weren't pretty.

Sigh, remember we were talking about house-rules? And then you babbled on about your guys staying inside the drop pod (which is not allowed normally). Do you remember how we moved away from actual rules so it would be downright foolish to try to continue to discuss this?


You said as a house-rule that models cannot disembark from a glued-shut Drop Pod. I countered that house-rule and pointed out that I was fine with it since that means my SM (that I don't have) will just happily sit inside and shoot out. You asked how. I pointed out that Drop Pods (whether or not their doors are open) are Open-topped, and you claimed they were not.


Oh, and for the moment it is allowed with Black Templar. But who plays them?

Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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 DeathReaper wrote:
Super Newb, You do realize that in 6th ed 40K if a model blocks Line of Sight to a unit your other models want to target, they can not target that unit as it is not in line of sight.

The doors, while up will block line of sight just like any other model would block line of sight.


But the doors are never supposed to be up with you claiming complete LOS blocking unless you are going for the 'That F'in Guy' award. Which clearly you are going for.


Why is everything different for Drop pods as opposed to Land raiders or other transport vehicles?


Why? Because they are different in multiple ways? You can never shoot through a Land Raider. You can never shoot at the troops inside a Land Raider. When a Land Raider appears on the board the inhabitants aren't forced by the rules to disembark. Are you just messing with me or are you seriously arguing this?




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 Happyjew wrote:
You said as a house-rule that models cannot disembark from a glued-shut Drop Pod. I countered that house-rule and pointed out that I was fine with it since that means my SM (that I don't have) will just happily sit inside and shoot out. You asked how. I pointed out that Drop Pods (whether or not their doors are open) are Open-topped, and you claimed they were not.


They aren't open topped if the person glues the doors shut. That's part of the house rule. In fact anything you say to try to claim otherwise will be met with further sub-rules of my house rule.


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Drop pods have a lot of practical issues beyond the normal shooting through them issue. The doors can make it really difficult to have any models stand near the pod. I'd rather just leave the doors up. With the doors up, models can stand without issue, and there are no questions about LOS. Seems like an all around win for everyone.


 
   
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pk1 wrote:
Drop pods have a lot of practical issues beyond the normal shooting through them issue. The doors can make it really difficult to have any models stand near the pod. I'd rather just leave the doors up. With the doors up, models can stand without issue, and there are no questions about LOS. Seems like an all around win for everyone.


The actual all around win would be magnetizing the doors so they can be removed or not putting them on the model at all. Your "all around win" is almost certainly a benefit for you more than your opponent.
   
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Super Newb wrote:
pk1 wrote:
Drop pods have a lot of practical issues beyond the normal shooting through them issue. The doors can make it really difficult to have any models stand near the pod. I'd rather just leave the doors up. With the doors up, models can stand without issue, and there are no questions about LOS. Seems like an all around win for everyone.


The actual all around win would be magnetizing the doors so they can be removed or not putting them on the model at all. Your "all around win" is almost certainly a benefit for you more than your opponent.


I fight drop pods more than I use them and it only benefits someone who wants to make a wall with them. If you drop the doors you get a different discussion about if the doors count as part of the hull, and if so then whoever is using it gets an extra few inches of movement when disembarking. I'll just avoid all that mess and keep my doors glued.


 
   
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No one in their right mind would try to claim that the doors count as part of the hull, lol. Imagine disembarking within 6 inches of the opened door petals on the table!? LOL.
   
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Super Newb wrote:
But the doors are never supposed to be up with you claiming complete LOS blocking unless you are going for the 'That F'in Guy' award. Which clearly you are going for.


If the doors are up, then they block LOS... because that's how LOS works in 40K.

If you have a problem with your opponent using closed pods, you're far better off just not playing against them then adding house rules to draw LOS through something that you can't see through. That's just adding uneccessary complication to the game.

And if you could try throwing around fewer insulting generalisations, that would probably help the discussion to remain civil. I use pods with closed doors. Not because I'm trying to be beardy, but simply because they were made from PVC pipe back before GW had actual Drop Pod models. I claim that they block LOS in game, because they do.

I point them out before a game, and if anyone has an issue with them I would simply use a different list. I refuse to treat them as being able to see through them, because that is next to impossible to actually do accurately. It's more messing about than it is worth. Just use the model that is on the table, and get on with the game.

 
   
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OPEN ONE OR TWO DOORS! NOTHING in the rules or in any logical fluff based or real life scenario says that you have to open every door of a vehicle to exit it. Thats pure and simple logic backed up with rules that do not EVER state that you have to open every access point to move out of a vehicle.
Just because you don't encounter many people using it just means they haven't thought of it themselves or have just meekly accepted sombody saying "uhhhh thats totally unfair (because i never expected it) so you can't do it". Either with rules or logic to justify otherwise (not including that you think its unfair, because I personally think serpent spam, scythe spam and death-teks are "unfair" but id never say an opponent cant use them because the rules do not forbid them to).
You cannot fire through a closed drop pod door. Thats just silly and the rules state about true LOS, however you CAN nominate which doors come down. Just as you can nominate which access door of a rhino opens to let out the troops inside.


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Totally with insaniak on this!

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 insaniak wrote:
Super Newb wrote:
But the doors are never supposed to be up with you claiming complete LOS blocking unless you are going for the 'That F'in Guy' award. Which clearly you are going for.


If the doors are up, then they block LOS... because that's how LOS works in 40K.


Yes, of course that's how it literally works. But that's also silly and I would NEVER model drop pods that way with the intention of using them as LOS blocking terrain. That's just shameless WAAC-type behavior.

Not because I'm trying to be beardy, but simply because they were made from PVC pipe back before GW had actual Drop Pod models. I claim that they block LOS in game, because they do.


Lol, please don't try to say everyone has to go along with your counts-as models when they don't even reflect the actual current models. Also, since you saved 100s of dollars using PVC models instead of the real thing, you could always scratch build another hollow / see through / cut-out whatever PVC model and swap that one with your opague ones whenever the issue of LOS comes up. It isn't impossible, it's actually quite easy. But whatever, at least you have the courtesy to not use your drop pod list if your oppenent has a problem with your strange pods.




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Poly Ranger wrote:
You cannot fire through a closed drop pod door. Thats just silly and the rules state about true LOS, however you CAN nominate which doors come down. Just as you can nominate which access door of a rhino opens to let out the troops inside.


So unlike everyone who claims all the doors can remain closed for all time, you offered another option, a pod where only certain doors come down. That's NOT what was said by others before. But hey, if some doors can go down, why can't they go right back up again after guys disembark? Heck, why don't the doors go down each shooting phase and then back up again, so the storm bolter can fire out? Hmm? Why not right?

Also, the rhino door has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the current discussion. You can never shoot through an open rhino door through the Rhino. Whether the door is open or not lithas no effect on this.


Totally with insaniak on this!


How are you with them when their pods have no doors at all? You sound against them!

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Why is it shameless? Because you don't do it or because you don't like it? There are so many commonly accepted twists of rules that are far "beardier". Do you think a space marine captain would go "oh no we cant leave the doors up to stop those tau shooting us that would just be shameless". In war the winners more often than not out-think their opponent. There is nothing shameless in that just because you dont like it personally or because you have been out thought on it.


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And no that is not me admitting its 'twisting' the rules. Thats me saying people twist the rules in far worse cases.


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Because it doesnt have the propulsion system to go back up. Its a DROP POD not a flier. The doors cant go back up or down after its landed and youve decided which ones are down for one simple reason. Once deployed it counts as immobilised. And THAT is in the rules.


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Im not against them. Im saying you can leave as many doors up as you want to block LOS. Insaniak is just suggesting to leave them all up. I think it would be tactically beneficial to put some doors down.


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And pk1


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And deathreaper

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Poly Ranger wrote:
Why is it shameless? Because you don't do it or because you don't like it?


Because it almost always gives the advantage to the person bringing the pods. It's modeling for advantage.

There are so many commonly accepted twists of rules that are far "beardier".


Lol, I think the last time I used the "Well that's worse! So ignore this!" argument I was in grade school.


Because it doesnt have the propulsion system to go back up. Its a DROP POD not a flier.


Wut? How do you know? Why can't a drop pod have working doors? Have you seen the schematics for a real one?

The doors cant go back up or down after its landed and youve decided which ones are down for one simple reason. Once deployed it counts as immobilised. And THAT is in the rules.


Immobilized vehicles can't use their doors? Since when?



Im not against them. Im saying you can leave as many doors up as you want to block LOS. Insaniak is just suggesting to leave them all up.


How do insaniak's troops get out? You just tried to argue the doors can't go back up! LOL!

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And happyjew


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I know it cant fly back up because it COUNTS AS IMMOBILISED ONCE DEPLOYED. I already said that.
And a scythe spam gives advantage to a necron player, and a serpent spam gives advantage to an eldar player, guess what - the whole game and real life war is based on finding an advantage over your enemy!
Insaniaks troops couldnt get out if he wasnt dropping it empty. Thats why i suggested putting down one door. Im totally with them on the main part of this debate THAT IT BLOCKS LOS.
Its not modelling for advantage - its a gw drop pod for christs sake... they made the model. Minimizing a tervigon is modelling for advantage!
You still havent used rules or logic to argue against it. The main basis of your side of the debate is "its beardy". Which imo is a very poor, what was it you called it... grade school, stance. Debate, dont throw a strop saying its unfair.

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Super Newb wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
Super Newb wrote:
But the doors are never supposed to be up with you claiming complete LOS blocking unless you are going for the 'That F'in Guy' award. Which clearly you are going for.


If the doors are up, then they block LOS... because that's how LOS works in 40K.


Yes, of course that's how it literally works. But that's also silly and I would NEVER model drop pods that way with the intention of using them as LOS blocking terrain. That's just shameless WAAC-type behavior.

And he didn't say that's why he uses them.

Not because I'm trying to be beardy, but simply because they were made from PVC pipe back before GW had actual Drop Pod models. I claim that they block LOS in game, because they do.


Lol, please don't try to say everyone has to go along with your counts-as models when they don't even reflect the actual current models. Also, since you saved 100s of dollars using PVC models instead of the real thing, you could always scratch build another hollow / see through / cut-out whatever PVC model and swap that one with your opague ones whenever the issue of LOS comes up. It isn't impossible, it's actually quite easy. But whatever, at least you have the courtesy to not use your drop pod list if your oppenent has a problem with your strange pods.

You do understand that the option was available to codexes long before there was an actual model for them, right? It wasn't about saving money (in fact, between time spent and knowing insaniak it probably cost more than buying real pods).
Like Tyranid Mycetic Spores, for example.

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Poly Ranger wrote:
Insaniaks troops couldnt get out if he wasnt dropping it empty.


Insaniak disagrees with you. You know that right? All of In's pods have no doors, they are made of PVC.

As for the rest of your twaddle you seem not to be in the best state right now to have an actual discussion with your complete misunderstanding of what I wrote and your frequent and puzzling 'And so and so' 'And this other so and so' as if shouting people's names does anything. Perhaps you should come back later after some rest?

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Ahhhhh but we agree on the main point - that pods block LOS!

Very neatly done! I asked you to use logic and/or rules to try and debate the point. Realising you couldn't you instead tried to wind me up. Bravo fella - against a lot of people that would work and its a common but effective tactic used by those knowing they have nothing to support them in a debate to try and deflect the last thing the other person said. Often used a lot in trolling too.
But you know what? Instead its put a smile on my face because you have shown me your cards. Not only do I know that you have no leg to stand on (rule and logic wise) but now i know YOU KNOW you have no leg to stand on either!
Thanks for that ;-).
   
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rigeld2 wrote:
You do understand that the option was available to codexes long before there was an actual model for them, right? It wasn't about saving money (in fact, between time spent and knowing insaniak it probably cost more than buying real pods). Like Tyranid Mycetic Spores, for example.


I know the option was there before the model was. And? I don't even think In's initial argument has anythign to do with scratch building. True LOS rules all, even if the models as built almost always helped the person fielding them. Maybe it's Legal Modeling for Advantage? I don't actually see how it's definitively illegal in game. It's just distateful and unethical.

But what really gets me is claiming it is 'impossible' to determine LOS, so they give up. How silly. As if someone who you claim is that detailed about scratch building couldn't figure out how to make a clear stand in or a stand-in with gaps (like a real drop pod) to determine LOS when the issue arises. Nope, instead they are at a loss somehow to remedy the situation, conveniently where they remain with the advantage. I suppose I can amend my 'shameless' comment to include laziness, since maybe it is just simple laziness. But when the advantage remains with the modeler BECAUSE OF the laziness, I'm reluctant to assume only laziness is involved.


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Poly Ranger wrote:
Ahhhhh but we agree on the main point - that pods block LOS!


What exactly are you talking about? You claim to agree with Insaniak, yet they arguing something completely different from you. You and insaniak COULD NOT PLAY A GAME AGAINST EACH OTHER if he uses his drop pods as he intended, since you so fundamentally disagree with his position.

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It's not always an advantage. And your convenient editing of my posts to not include the entire point is interesting.

Regardless, your hostile tone is proving that there's no way to have a polite discussion with you. Have a good day.

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rigeld2 wrote:
It's not always an advantage.


Never claimed it was. Only a silly person would talk in absolutes.

And your convenient editing of my posts to not include the entire point is interesting.


Which "entire point" was that? Also, you didn't quote ANY of my post!

   
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Again deflecting. I totally agree with Insaniak on the point tjat drop pods block LOS which is the main thing we are debating. If we played and he deployed his troops from it i would ask which door opened to let them out. A much more minor issue compared to the LOS debate since the other doors would be up and blocking LOS anyway. In game terms it would make no difference apart from the fact that he cant shoot out of the pod through closed doors since they block line of sight. The ONLY difference it would make in game terms is that he would have take sure the open door could deploy to the ground. The gun inside can obviously only fire through an open door since a closed door blocks LOS.
   
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Super Newb wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
It's not always an advantage.


Never claimed it was. Only a silly person would talk in absolutes.

You never claimed that it was? So you didn't actually type this?
Super Newb wrote: Nope, instead they are at a loss somehow to remedy the situation, conveniently where they remain with the advantage. I suppose I can amend my 'shameless' comment to include laziness, since maybe it is just simple laziness. But when the advantage remains with the modeler BECAUSE OF the laziness, I'm reluctant to assume only laziness is involved.

Yes, it is normally silly to talk in absolutes.


And your convenient editing of my posts to not include the entire point is interesting.


Which "entire point" was that? Also, you didn't quote ANY of my post!

I didn't quote any of your post because I didn't need to.
You selected one sentence out of three (which you've gone back and edited in, thanks) where I was saying that the PVC pods were not created for an inherent advantage and why.

So presumably you refuse to play anyone without a GW Tervigon? Or a GW Flyrant?
Or anyone using a Harpy - those can't be legal either.
The (absolute) fact is that there have been rules out before models. Which means people will make things to "count as" them. And when the "official" models come out, why are you saying they must be replaced?

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Think about it this way. Two parties in Scotland want independence but dont neccessarily agree on the minor issues of the proposal. They can still work together on the main issue despite the minor issues. It does not put them in fundamental disagreement with each other. And i realise that i have fallen for your deflection trap in saying this. So i ask again with rules or logic please tell me why a drop pod wouldnt block los and why all the doors (or any) must come down.
   
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Super Newb wrote:
Yes, of course that's how it literally works. But that's also silly and I would NEVER model drop pods that way with the intention of using them as LOS blocking terrain. That's just shameless WAAC-type behavior.

See, here's the thing...

When the pod was introduced as an actual unit in 4th edition, there was no model. Everyone either used the Forgeworld version (which actually had its own separate rules, and had a solid interior) or built their own from Pringles cans, PVC pipe, or cardboard schematics based on the Forgeworld design. Nobody ever had a problem with them blocking LOS.

5th edition introduced an actual model, with doors that open and close. People still by and large had no problem with them blocking LOS. Most players assumed that even if the doors were open that you wouldn't be able to see through them anyway, even though the rules technically allowed it.

It's only really since 6th edition rolled in that suddenly this is a big issue. People are still using the exact same pods that they have been using for 2 prior editions... but suddenly its beardy for them to block LOS.

It's a storm in a teacup.




Lol, please don't try to say everyone has to go along with your counts-as models when they don't even reflect the actual current models. Also, since you saved 100s of dollars using PVC models instead of the real thing, you could always scratch build another hollow / see through / cut-out whatever PVC model and swap that one with your opague ones whenever the issue of LOS comes up. It isn't impossible, it's actually quite easy. But whatever, at least you have the courtesy to not use your drop pod list if your oppenent has a problem with your strange pods.

I never said that everyone has to go along with it. In fact, I specifically pointed out that I don't expect it.

But no, I'm not going to build another, see-through pod to swap in mid-game. For two reasons - the first is that I know from experience that swapping models in and out is far more likely to cause arguments (no, seriously, it was half an inch further over that way...!) than simply using a model with a slightly different LOS profile. And secondly because if I'm going to have to lug a second model around to games anyway, why the hell wouldn't I just use that model in the first place?


Also, the rhino door has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the current discussion. You can never shoot through an open rhino door through the Rhino. Whether the door is open or not lithas no effect on this.

And here's thing thing with that: If you modelled your rhino with the ramps down, and the internal shutters removed, you woud be able to see through it. Yes, that would take some conversion... but once that model was on the table, that's how it would work, as per the LOS rules.

How a model is put together matters. A kneeling marine has different LOS to a standing one. A roughrider on a bike has different LOS to one on a horse (although nobody ever seems to complain about that either). And yes, a pod with the doors up blocks LOS differently to one with the doors down. In the grand scheme of things, with the number of different options available to change your models' LOS profiles even without scratchbuilding or converting, it's really not that big a deal.

Swapping models in and out, or pretending that the model is different to what is actually on the table, though? Both of those lead to madness. Just use the model that is on the table. If you feel that it is too abusive, then don't allow it, or don't play that player. Don't go down the 'swap it out to check LOS' route. It's icky.

 
   
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Poly Ranger wrote:
Think about it this way. Two parties in Scotland want independence but dont neccessarily agree on the minor issues of the proposal. They can still work together on the main issue despite the minor issues. It does not put them in fundamental disagreement with each other. And i realise that i have fallen for your deflection trap in saying this. So i ask again with rules or logic please tell me why a drop pod wouldnt block los and why all the doors (or any) must come down.


You say none of insaniak's pods can carry troops. Insaniak claims the opposite. That is a fundamental disagreement.


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It's a storm in a teacup.


Everything relating to this game by necessity is a storm in a teacup. It's all little plastic men. Or little plastic aliens. Lol.

I'll get to the rest in a bit.

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No I didnt. I said IF they carried troops he would have to nominate which door was coming down to let them out. Pure and simple. And funnily enough i can imagine that door being down without insaniak having to break his model open. As im sure he could. Please read my posts.
Again... please with logic or rules (i really aren't fussy which) explain why a drop pod doesnt block LOS with the doors up or why the doors (all or any) have to be down...
   
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Super Newb wrote:
 DeathReaper wrote:
Super Newb, You do realize that in 6th ed 40K if a model blocks Line of Sight to a unit your other models want to target, they can not target that unit as it is not in line of sight.

The doors, while up will block line of sight just like any other model would block line of sight.


But the doors are never supposed to be up with you claiming complete LOS blocking unless you are going for the 'That F'in Guy' award. Which clearly you are going for.


Why aren't the doors supposed to be up?

Is there a rule in the BRB or Codex that I missed? If so please cite a page and graph. Thanks.

40K uses True Line of Sight. So if you can not see a unit you can not shoot at said unit.

Super Newb wrote:
 DeathReaper wrote:
Why is everything different for Drop pods as opposed to Land raiders or other transport vehicles?


Why? Because they are different in multiple ways? You can never shoot through a Land Raider.
Citation needed. you can shoot through a Land Raider if you can draw line of sight through a a Land Raider. If the LR was modeled with the doors open there is a possibility to be able to shoot through one.
You can never shoot at the troops inside a Land Raider. Which goes the same for the Drop Pod.
Of course, and it is exactly the same for any other transport vehicle
When a Land Raider appears on the board the inhabitants aren't forced by the rules to disembark.
Not all drop pods currently need you to do this either, but it does not matter, the rules do not require a model to open its access hatch for the unit inside to be able to disembark.
Are you just messing with me or are you seriously arguing this?
Arguing what the rules, yes I am arguing the rules on a rules forum, maybe I do not get your question, please explain better so as I may understand better. Thanks.



I added the red text in response to the previous lines of yours.

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