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 Makutsu wrote:
Since Daemons are interconnected between the 2 worlds, and it's known that people get sucked into the warp once in a while then.

It's possible for them to end up on the other side of the world, or the fantasy setting...

So is it possible?

I roleplayed this a few years ago. I had a Chaos Sorcerer from the Black Legion who was slain, but refused to die so easily. He wound up latching on to the body of a Sorcerer from the fantasy universe, then spent his time in the fantasy world piecing together his shattered memories and trying to come up with a ritual to send him back to where he belonged.

In short, I can't see why it wouldn't be possible.

I don't think that the Fantasy world was intended to be linked to the 40K universe in any way, it's just 2 different games made by the same creator, who obviously would have the same ideas.

With that said, I don't see why the Fantasy world couldn't just be a random undiscovered world in the vast 40K universe. It would make perfect sense, but I don't believe it's intended that way.

If it was in the 40K universe, it would most certainly be classified as a daemon world.

Well according to 2nd ed...Boltguns were Str 4 with a -1 save mod.

So a Space Marine would actually have a 4+ save against a boltgun.

Well fluff wise a squad of tactical marines could easily conquer the majority of the fantasy world

brother marcus wrote:
Well fluff wise a squad of tactical marines could easily conquer the majority of the fantasy world

Why? Fluff wise a single high level psyker would wipe them off the face of the earth. Fluff wise an army of Ogres would beat them to a pulp. Fluff wise a Choppa is still a Choppa if its wielded by an Ork or and Orc. People really over estimate the power of a Marine and their Bolters.

All those wouldn't be a problem. Space marines know exactly how to deal with psykers and there strength would easliy match that of an ogre.

There are also numerous references in 40k of single/ small groups of marines defending against orks/tyrinids for days.

I think you underestimate the power a single marine actually posses

Reading about Sigmar possibly being a Primarch gave me chills, that would be the most amazing reveal to hear about.

As I said they are connected, but no possibility of traveling from one to the other, only gods and deamons have that ability, weapons sometimes fall through (chainsword/power fist) but nothing flesh and blood has so far. And cannot as far as I'm aware in the fluff.

Sigmar was born, so cannot be a primarch

Because daemons are in both WHFB and WH40k, we actually have a point of cross-reference for comparing the strength of the two in a hypothetical cross-over situation.

Basically, because fluff-wise WHFB armies can combat daemons just as well as WH40k armies can (besides grey knights, maybe), then things should be more equal than you'd think. The inhabitants of WHFB are able to take on Greater Daemons WITHOUT rocket launchers and tanks. Presumably despite the fact that they look like normal humans, individual humans are probably more along the lines of space marines physical-abilities-wise (but weaker overall due to not having space marine armour and technology).

Any man can kill a daemon easily with a monocular-edge chainsword (hyperbole). Now try doing it with a NORMAL sword and see how far you get. The fact that WHFB inhabitants pull it off means that they are VERY strong people, and any invading WH40k force would have to be balanced against that fact. So sure, the WHFB armies might not have technology when invaded by a WH40k army, but their denizons would be so much STRONGER (strong enough to take on daemons without technology) that that would balance things out a bit.

brother marcus wrote:
All those wouldn't be a problem. Space marines know exactly how to deal with psykers and there strength would easliy match that of an ogre.

There are also numerous references in 40k of single/ small groups of marines defending against orks/tyrinids for days.

I think you underestimate the power a single marine actually posses

There is also numerous references to a single Ork Nob or Nid ripping a marine limb from limb.

A single ork knob is very doubtful because it would lack the skill and ability to do so a mob of boys with the knob probably would do due to weight in numbers.
It all depends on which side of the battle you read from

Exactly, so who's to say 10 marines will win then other then which book you where reading recently? Also Space Marines don't have any training above basic (Basically...shoot it quick) on how to deal with Psykers. So I doubt they would be able to sense, find and kill a Level 4 wizard before he Nukes them. On Marines beating Ogres, do Marines beat Ogryns? Maybe, but its a tough fight. Ogres come in more numbers with sharper/heavier weapons, A Tyrant would Rip a marine apart.

I really like Roars Idea of it all being about perspective, and that fantasy creatures are in fact hideously strong, but due to everything being strong, strong things look normal. It also makes sense with his daemon analogy, and also works with the idea of the planet being a daemon world/near eye of terror, causing that to happen.

Didn't the old realms of chaos book let you get a bolter or a plasma gun as a reward in a fantasy army? There's also the space marine items with blatant 'mythos' added to them from the Albion campaign.

They've been actively removing or retconning many links between fantasy and 40k, they were quite intentional in the past I believe. I hate to think how many times I've heard of just how Sigmar is definitely a lost primarch over the years. But the official line now is that they're unconnected, I don't see any reason why players couldn't take it on with a different angle though.

The older Lizardmen stuff has lots of crossover tech, Amazons used to run around with boltguns, Chaos Champions got tech from their god from their tech

The Official line from GW is that they are totally unconnected, the crossover of chaos gods and daemons is just because they were originally created by the same guys. A few years ago GW firmly put their foot down and crushed any possibility of crossovers.

 Lappie wrote:
The Official line from GW is that they are totally unconnected, the crossover of chaos gods and daemons is just because they were originally created by the same guys. A few years ago GW firmly put their foot down and crushed any possibility of crossovers.

Yup. It may have been different in the early days but they are separate settings now.

No mention of M'kar yet?

Note how in Ward's Daemons Army Book, there's a sorcerer named M'kar who mysteriously vanishes without a trace. And of course, in 40K we have a Daemon Prince named M'kar. Obviously it's not a concrete connection, but it's enough to entertain the possibility of transference between the two, at least.

Everyone trys to believe that the fantasy world is located in the 40K universe. What if the 40K universe is actually contained in a crystal ball in the Celestial College in Altdorf? The reason there are analogs to all of the fantasy races in 40K is because the celestial wizards put them there.

 Troike wrote:
No mention of M'kar yet?

Note how in Ward's Daemons Army Book, there's a sorcerer named M'kar who mysteriously vanishes without a trace. And of course, in 40K we have a Daemon Prince named M'kar. Obviously it's not a concrete connection, but it's enough to entertain the possibility of transference between the two, at least.

If they really are one and the same, he should change his nickname from "the thrice-born" to "the quad-born". ...well, kinda hard for him to do that when he's permanently dead, but hey, if he somehow resurrects himself again, he can be like... I dunno, "the quinted-born" or something.

Come to think of it, it conflicts with the novel doubly so, since the novel has him as a Word Bearer before he became a Daemon Prince. But if we're going by codexes only, I assume he would have had to become a Daemon Prince directly? I doubt he could just have been made into a Word Bearer.

Never mind the Space Marines, what if the Hive Mind found the WHFB Planet? Or the Dark Eldar? Free biomass/slaves, anyone?

At least then arrows would have a chance against the paper thin armour of Gaunts/DE.

brother marcus wrote:
All those wouldn't be a problem. Space marines know exactly how to deal with psykers and there strength would easliy match that of an ogre.

There are also numerous references in 40k of single/ small groups of marines defending against orks/tyrinids for days.

I think you underestimate the power a single marine actually posses

Space Marine knowledge of how to deal with a psyker is pretty much "If the first few attempts to shoot it don't work, nuke the planet".

And those references of one marine holding off entire hordes for days on end are pure bolter porn, for those of us who think a good story is a hollywood action movie, wherein the heroes are indestructible, and the script is:

Explosion
Gunshots
Explosion
Gunshots
Explosion
Gunshots
Space Marine: "generic cheesy line"
Explosion
Gunshots
Explosion
Gunshots
Explosion
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brother marcus wrote:
A single ork knob is very doubtful because it would lack the skill and ability to do so a mob of boys with the knob probably would do due to weight in numbers.
It all depends on which side of the battle you read from

Bolter porn = IOM propaganda

You should read Rynn's World and Helsreach sometime. They have a bit of bolter porn to them, but the marines are faaar from indestructible.

 Selym wrote:
And those references of one marine holding off entire hordes for days on end are pure bolter porn, for those of us who think a good story is a hollywood action movie, wherein the heroes are indestructible, and the script is:

Explosion
Gunshots
Explosion
Gunshots
Explosion
Gunshots
Space Marine: "generic cheesy line"
Explosion
Gunshots
Explosion
Gunshots
Explosion
Gunshots.

Maybe when can get Michael Bay to make this? Seems right up his alley.

BunnyCommando wrote:
Never mind the Space Marines, what if the Hive Mind found the WHFB Planet? Or the Dark Eldar? Free biomass/slaves, anyone?

At least then arrows would have a chance against the paper thin armour of Gaunts/DE.

Those "arrows" are capable of taking down blood thirsters just as well as bolter fire. Yea, okay, bolter fire isn't that impressive against a blood thirster, but to do it with arrows for similar results? WHFB has some friggin' strong bowmen.

The planet is also probably very valued by the Chaos gods and will likely be defended by them. How many planets in WH40k do you know that have MULTIPLE daemon princes running around LIVING there? ...hell, they even have Soul Grinders there (again, the inhabitants are strong enough to take down those WITHOUT tanks).

TiamatRoar wrote:

BunnyCommando wrote:
Never mind the Space Marines, what if the Hive Mind found the WHFB Planet? Or the Dark Eldar? Free biomass/slaves, anyone?

At least then arrows would have a chance against the paper thin armour of Gaunts/DE.

Those "arrows" are capable of taking down blood thirsters just as well as bolter fire. Yea, okay, bolter fire isn't that impressive against a blood thirster, but to do it with arrows for similar results? WHFB has some friggin' strong bowmen.

The planet is also probably very valued by the Chaos gods and will likely be defended by them. How many planets in WH40k do you know that have MULTIPLE daemon princes running around LIVING there? ...hell, they even have Soul Grinders there (again, the inhabitants are strong enough to take down those WITHOUT tanks).

I get the feeling that the humans here are warp-infused to have such power

 Selym wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:

BunnyCommando wrote:
Never mind the Space Marines, what if the Hive Mind found the WHFB Planet? Or the Dark Eldar? Free biomass/slaves, anyone?

At least then arrows would have a chance against the paper thin armour of Gaunts/DE.

Those "arrows" are capable of taking down blood thirsters just as well as bolter fire. Yea, okay, bolter fire isn't that impressive against a blood thirster, but to do it with arrows for similar results? WHFB has some friggin' strong bowmen.

The planet is also probably very valued by the Chaos gods and will likely be defended by them. How many planets in WH40k do you know that have MULTIPLE daemon princes running around LIVING there? ...hell, they even have Soul Grinders there (again, the inhabitants are strong enough to take down those WITHOUT tanks).

I get the feeling that the humans here are warp-infused to have such power

Well, the planet itself has a gaping warp portal(s?) in the North. It's to the point where the Chaos-aligned Norsemen see Chaos as an every day fact of life. To them, a crazy guy developing mutations and the mark of khorne randomly appearing on him as he kills someone is the same as it raining on a cloudy day (that's a paraphrase of an actual quote from their codex, I think)

Anyone remember this guy? He was originally listed in WD in the 90's in an article about WFB chaos war bands, then turns up in 40 k. Apparently his home world is within the Eye of Terror.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bubonicus_(Character)

Has anyone read "liber chaotica" the black library book on chaos?

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Liber_Chaotica#.UlhQeNK-2uI

In that the "author" (an empire scholar in the WHFB universe) slowly goes insane as he studies the chaos Gods and compiles a collection on them steadily talks of his nightmares and visions of warriors who will doom the world and draws pictures of what are clearly chaos space marines and mentions other 40k lore. So whilst it's arguable over whether black library books are official fluff, in that particular one it seems very plausible the fantasy world is simply an unknown planet in the 40 universe.

If saves are equivalent, then putting someone on an armoured steed with heavy armour and a shield is the same as putting them in the mini tank that is tactical dreadnought armour... someone should probably mention this to the rough rider squadrons...

For me it makes the most sense if the demons in fantasy are more squishy, otherwise they would not have been taken down by swords and such.