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 azreal13 wrote:
The difference with the majority of those Excalibur minis (at least, as far as I can tell from the lousy photography) is that while they are undoubtedly NSFW, and overtly sexual, they differ from Vinni's (or at least the ones that give me pause) in there isn't really a sadistic edge, most have either a consensual, or even humorous edge to them (I'll admit to not trolling through every model on every page though, so might have missed some slightly edgier ones.)


Well, there are also S&M, bondage, torture mini's in there, they have been around for a while, so some look somewhat comical.

But the point is that these miniatures do exactly metaloxide finds offensive.

Vinni's girls are just in shackles, i see nothing sexual they could be used for a slave market as well as a S&M bondage diorama (or for a slanees sacrifice ) depending purely on the intentions of the dioarama maker.

Those from Excaliber well that should be clear

Here in Japan there is a (un)healthy market of gachapon and normal size figures of bondage and semi rape poses.


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 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Here in Japan there is a (un)healthy market of gachapon and normal size figures of bondage and semi rape poses.

Yeah, but seriously, Japan. I mean, it's well known as the country of fethed-up porn. Let's not even mention all the horrible, terrible porn stuff that comes from Japan, for our sanities' sake !

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Here in Japan there is a (un)healthy market of gachapon and normal size figures of bondage and semi rape poses.

Yeah, but seriously, Japan. I mean, it's well known as the country of fethed-up porn. Let's not even mention all the horrible, terrible porn stuff that comes from Japan, for our sanities' sake !


But it is a very valid point, in that different cultures, as well as individuals, have a different benchmark when it comes to what's acceptable with regard to the subject.

For instance, there is a whole subtext that could be applied to Vinni's models, considering the geographical context, with regard to human trafficking. I'm not saying that's the case, indeed I'm not saying whether it is satire, exploitation, protest or whatever, but it is something that a European might project onto the sculpt that someone in Asia may not pick up on.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
That is called a formal fallacy.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of that virtual girl I'm raping in this Japanese video game . Sorry for indirectly calling you a creep.


O.o I guess when you go in slow, you should go full on slow.

HOW is it that I say that I have a couple of Vinnies figs that are pretty cool and you go spastic over it?

THESE are the figs by the way. Don't let them get in the way of your virtual huff and puff.

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 azreal13 wrote:
but it is something that a European might project onto the sculpt that someone in Asia may not pick up on.

Maybe. But I'ld like to point out that Japan's closest neighbor (culturally), like Korea and China, are way, way more conservative ! Porn is just forbidden in South Korea (I know because of some very funny news about how since distributing porn is illegal, porn companies were unable to take legal action against people that illegally downloaded their video. I thought it was hilarious.), and I'm pretty sure China is also very conservative.
Japan, on the other hand, has a bunch of quite strict rules, and very inventive ways to circumvent them for horrible, horrible results !
(The simple fact I know that is proof I spend way too much time on the internet for my own good !)
 Grot 6 wrote:
O.o I guess when you go in slow, you should go full on slow.

Oh, come on ! I was just kidding you.

They just look like normal skinhead-girl models. [edit]Though, to make the perfect skinhead girl model, I'd take the baseball bat, shoes, pants and suspenders (no suspenders : not a real skinhead !!!) from the first one, and the shirt (which should go all the way into the pants ! But at least we have the collar, it's quite important !), and haircut from the second one. Skinheads !!![/edit]Nothing cringe-worthy about them. But I thought we were talking about this “victim girls” category.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 azreal13 wrote:
but it is something that a European might project onto the sculpt that someone in Asia may not pick up on.

Maybe. But I'ld like to point out that Japan's closest neighbor (culturally), like Korea and China, are way, way more conservative ! Porn is just forbidden in South Korea (I know because of some very funny news about how since distributing porn is illegal, porn companies were unable to take legal action against people that illegally downloaded their video. I thought it was hilarious.), and I'm pretty sure China is also very conservative.
Japan, on the other hand, has a bunch of quite strict rules, and very inventive ways to circumvent them for horrible, horrible results !
(The simple fact I know that is proof I spend way too much time on the internet for my own good !)


But that's just explicit sexual imagery.

The countries you mention have some fairly different cultural norms about women in society when viewed through a Western lens, so while the nudity may be more of an issue, the depiction of women as slaves and victims is potentially less likely to have the impact it had on me for instance, because women are, or have been in recent history, very much second tier in many Far East/Asian countries.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Maybe. But I'ld like to point out that Japan's closest neighbor (culturally), like Korea and China, are way, way more conservative !


Wow talk about a massively broad and uninformed statement. Do you feel that Spain and Germany have cultures similar to France simply because they neighbor each other? Or that Scotland, Ireland, and England are all happy bedfellows?

Korea, China and Japan are very different culturally. Go ahead and ask an Asian how much they like to be lumped into the same category with their neighboring countries and you'll likely get punched in the face. They have a lot of bad blood with the neighboring countries and have some rather extreme prejudices towards neighboring nationals. They are far more divided on cultural ideals and standards than most European countries are.

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 paulson games wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Maybe. But I'ld like to point out that Japan's closest neighbor (culturally), like Korea and China, are way, way more conservative !


Wow talk about a massively broad and uninformed statement. Do you feel that Spain and Germany have cultures similar to France simply because they neighbor each other? Or that Scotland, Ireland, and England are all happy bedfellows?

Korea, China and Japan are very different culturally. Go ahead and ask an Asian how much they like to be lumped into the same category with their neighboring countries and you'll likely get punched in the face. They have a lot of bad blood with the neighboring countries and have some rather extreme prejudices towards neighboring nationals. They are far more divided on cultural ideals and standards than most European countries are.

Heck, South Korea's closest neighbour is North Korea, and we should really treat those as the same thing, right?

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 paulson games wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Maybe. But I'ld like to point out that Japan's closest neighbor (culturally), like Korea and China, are way, way more conservative !


Wow talk about a massively broad and uninformed statement. Do you feel that Spain and Germany have cultures similar to France simply because they neighbor each other? Or that Scotland, Ireland, and England are all happy bedfellows?

Korea, China and Japan are very different culturally. Go ahead and ask an Asian how much they like to be lumped into the same category with their neighboring countries and you'll likely get punched in the face. They have a lot of bad blood with the neighboring countries and have some rather extreme prejudices towards neighboring nationals. They are far more divided on cultural ideals and standards than most European countries are.


Thats a very inflammatory and needlessly pessimistic statement. England, Ireland, and Scotland are happy bedfellows thanks very much. Exactly what about their relationship makes you think that they arent? Does the occasional political disagreement sit happily alongside genocide and death?

I dont see how occasionally arguing about the football and the borders while happily drinking together in taverns and fething each other counts as being locked in perpetual war. Its hardly fething Slaanesh vs Grey Knights is it?

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 paulson games wrote:
Do you feel that Spain and Germany have cultures similar to France simply because they neighbor each other?

No. I feel that Spain and Germany have cultures similar to France because there has been A LOT of cultural exchanges for, say, the last thousand years at least. Well, of course being close neighbor helped, but still, I think France is culturally closer to Russia or the United States of America than to Turkey or Egypt, so it's not just a question of distance.
That's why I didn't add Russia to the list, even though Japan territory overlaps with Russia (in the Kuril Islands) just like it does with Korea (in Liancourt rocks) and China (in the Pinnacle islands). Japan sure knows how to have a lot of territory overlap .
 paulson games wrote:
Or that Scotland, Ireland, and England are all happy bedfellows?

Being culturally close is definitely not the same as being happy bedfellow. See all kind of civil wars and revolutions as an example. Heck, I'm pretty sure most wars happens between countries that are fairly close culturally. Just because nobody usually goes on the other side of the globe to have war against someone they usually have absolutely no contact with (and when they do, the war usually ends pretty quick and it's called colonization ).
 paulson games wrote:
Go ahead and ask an Asian how much they like to be lumped into the same category with their neighboring countries and you'll likely get punched in the face.

Depends on how you say it. Ask some Chinese if Korean and Japanese cultures were influenced by the glorious Chinese culture, I'm pretty sure you'd get a much more enthusiastic result than if you ask him if he has the same cultural identity as Korean and Japanese people. Each country does have its particularities and uniqueness, but they still have influenced each other quite a bit over their history.
Really, Asians may be quite nationalistic and maybe even chauvinistic sometime, but they are not stupid. They are not out to deny obvious truth, they just rather have it presented in ways that glorifies their country rather than ways they would deem derogatory.
For instance, Korea used to write in a Chinese alphabet until quite late actually (and even then, when hangeul was introduced, it wasn't greatly considered. I have seen some old signs in Seoul National University that were still using Chinese characters. Nowaday, Hangeul is more of a national pride, though ). Japanese Kanji also burrowed quite a lot from Chinese ideograms.
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Depends on how you say it. Ask some Chinese if Korean and Japanese cultures were influenced by the glorious Chinese culture, I'm pretty sure you'd get a much more enthusiastic result than if you ask him if he has the same cultural identity as Korean and Japanese people. Each country does have its particularities and uniqueness, but they still have influenced each other quite a bit over their history.
Really, Asians may be quite nationalistic and maybe even chauvinistic sometime, but they are not stupid. They are not out to deny obvious truth, they just rather have it presented in ways that glorifies their country rather than ways they would deem derogatory.
For instance, Korea used to write in a Chinese alphabet until quite late actually (and even then, when hangeul was introduced, it wasn't greatly considered. I have seen some old signs in Seoul National University that were still using Chinese characters. Nowaday, Hangeul is more of a national pride, though ). Japanese Kanji also burrowed quite a lot from Chinese ideograms.


In areas of Japan they have plenty of signs and names using English characters. There's been a huge exchange of ideas and influences with the US for well over a hundred years, yet our two countries are not culturally similar. Hong Kong likewise has a tradition of freely intermixing in English and Chinese, but they certainly aren't the same culture as England. You can have lots of shared influences but remain very much apart in how the national identities perceive themselves and act. The written languages have some shared ancestry but that does not mean they should be treated the same. Most Europeans share languages based on Latin roots but that's not grounds to say all Europeans are culturally similar because their alphabets use the same characters.

There is a lot of exchanges between China, Korea, and Japan, but that doesn't mean that you can say x holds true in Korea so it should also be the same in Japan or China.

In a similar vein the US and Mexico share a border and have a fairly decent relationship, there's a lot of exchanges that take place and but I don't think you'll find many people who believe that our cultures are all that similar. There's areas in the southern US where Spanish is as common as English (or more) and we share a lot of the same foods and there's some mixing with US & Mexican/Spanish ideas, but politically, religiously, and culturally there's still a very big divide.

While there are some shared commonalities in France, The UK, and Germany there are many things that set them distinctly apart as a culture and I wouldn't be foolish enough to say they are the same culturally just because they have a shared alphabet or have a few shared customs. The US is an offshoot of England and we have some common culture, language, and we get along politically but we are also very different culturally.

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 paulson games wrote:
The US is an offshoot of England and we have some common culture, language, and we get along politically but we are also very different culturally.


I disagree with you there as well, I live here now and made the transition entirely seamlessly, my missus lived in the UK for four years and did the same, exactly how do you think we are "very" different culturally?

We are almost totally identical, I think you are confusing individuality with culture. Sure if you take a very right wing, conservative from America, and introduce him to a very left leaning socialist from Britain you will think they are different, but if you introduce him to a very right wing conservative from England, they will be almost totally identical.

Our cultures are almost totally the same, we work, we spend time with our families, we relax, and we do all of these things the exact same way. We watch sports, we drink, we go for walks, we watch music, we practice the same religions, or lack of religions, we even celebrate the same holidays, and I've even seen (much to the amusement of my missus!) a pub with a banner outside celebrating "Independence Day" in London!

I also read about someone getting arrested today back home during a Black Friday sale. The modern digital age has ushered in a new age of understanding and cooperation, far from being culturally different, we are almost totally identical, I don't feel it is different in any major way walking around a big British city or a big Canadian city or a big American city in 2013.

Culturally, the United States is almost totally identical to every other nation in the Anglosphere, if you say otherwise, you are confusing the very different views people have of the political spectrum with the generic overriding culture of a nation.

Go have a walk around Afghanistan if you want to bask in a different culture, not Ontario, London, or Christchurch.

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 mattyrm wrote:
 paulson games wrote:
The US is an offshoot of England and we have some common culture, language, and we get along politically but we are also very different culturally.


I disagree with you there as well, I live here now and made the transition entirely seamlessly, my missus lived in the UK for four years and did the same, exactly how do you think we are "very" different culturally?


Lots of cowboys 'round London I take?




Our cultures are almost totally the same, we work, we spend time with our families, we relax, and we do all of these things the exact same way. We watch sports, we drink, we go for walks, we watch music, we practice the same religions, or lack of religions, we even celebrate the same holidays, and I've even seen (much to the amusement of my missus!) a pub with a banner outside celebrating "Independence Day" in London!


That's a really wide definition as it pretty much covers anyone on the planet. Worldwide people work, spend time with their families, watch sports, walk, listen to music etc, so we're all 100% the same right?


Do you know the difference between bars, saloons, lounges and pubs? While they are common in serving drinks each caters to a different type of presentation and cultural atmosphere. The typical English pub is a very different atmosphere than that of a western style cowboy saloon, the customs are different the music is different. Even though the same language is spoken in both and get people drunk they are each their own unique experience. (ie culture)

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 paulson games wrote:
 mattyrm wrote:
 paulson games wrote:
The US is an offshoot of England and we have some common culture, language, and we get along politically but we are also very different culturally.


I disagree with you there as well, I live here now and made the transition entirely seamlessly, my missus lived in the UK for four years and did the same, exactly how do you think we are "very" different culturally?


Lots of cowboys 'round London I take?




Our cultures are almost totally the same, we work, we spend time with our families, we relax, and we do all of these things the exact same way. We watch sports, we drink, we go for walks, we watch music, we practice the same religions, or lack of religions, we even celebrate the same holidays, and I've even seen (much to the amusement of my missus!) a pub with a banner outside celebrating "Independence Day" in London!


That's a really wide definition as it pretty much covers anyone on the planet. Worldwide people work, spend time with their families, watch sports, walk, listen to music etc, so we're all 100% the same right?


Do you know the difference between bars, saloons, lounges and pubs? While they are common in serving drinks each caters to a different type of presentation and cultural atmosphere. The typical English pub is a very different atmosphere than that of a western style cowboy saloon, the customs are different the music is different. Even though the same language is spoken in both and get people drunk they are each their own unique experience. (ie culture)


Not to pile on, but the culture within the United States varies greatly from North to South, coast to coast and region to region. Just within my own state, Philadelphia and Lancaster are easily distinguishable by the people and their attitudes.

The notion that London is the same as any given American city is rather easily foreclosed simply by spending some time just in cities on the East Coast. No offense, but if one cannot distinguish between the cultural elements of Miami, Orlando, Washington, DC, New York and Boston... well, then the sensitivity of the measurement is so course as to be meaningless.

   
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Not to pile on, but the culture within the United States varies greatly from North to South, coast to coast and region to region. Just within my own state, Philadelphia and Lancaster are easily distinguishable by the people and their attitudes.


I agree 100% the US has a pretty diverse culture to it, the regions within the US vary a lot even though we're all Americans. It's even noticeable in or around major cities, there is a very different behavior pattern (culture) when you compare somebody from the major city to neighboring suburbs or rural areas. There's also a noticeable variety of cultures within the city itself depending on if somebody is in the uptown areas or they are from less affluent areas of the city or the hood. People from NY proper and people from Brooklyn or Queens are usually very different.

That holds true in most other areas of the world, people in a large city will typically act and think quite a bit differently than somebody who lives in a rural area.

People can always adapt to a new culture and become part of it, but that takes time. If you take some Cowboy from Austin and drop them in the center of Harlem NY it'll be pretty obvious that he sticks out like a sore thumb.

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Take the same poses and situations and make them men.
Wonder if we would be having this discussion?
The only unfair thing with this is there is not much of a taboo for men "topless".
I think also he is aiming for a market.
I would really like to see how many women would want a miniature of a "slave/captured guy".
They are well sculpted, just the consistent topless pose is rather um... obvious.

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 paulson games wrote:
 mattyrm wrote:
 paulson games wrote:
The US is an offshoot of England and we have some common culture, language, and we get along politically but we are also very different culturally.


I disagree with you there as well, I live here now and made the transition entirely seamlessly, my missus lived in the UK for four years and did the same, exactly how do you think we are "very" different culturally?


Lots of cowboys 'round London I take?


A pointlessly facetious comment, does everything here have to turn into an aggressive debate? Regardless, I have been in California for 4 weeks and I have spent months in New York, Virginia, and Washington, I havent seen a single one in any of those places either, so lets stop being silly eh? Why ask me a question when you know the answer?

 paulson games wrote:


Do you know the difference between bars, saloons, lounges and pubs? While they are common in serving drinks each caters to a different type of presentation and cultural atmosphere. The typical English pub is a very different atmosphere than that of a western style cowboy saloon, the customs are different the music is different. Even though the same language is spoken in both and get people drunk they are each their own unique experience. (ie culture)


Yes I do, no big difference. The fact of the matter is, you obviously haven't spent much time in the far flung places of the world if you think that the UK and US have vastly different cultures. These cowboy places you are talking about are as different from California or New York as they are from London or Ontario, does that mean that different states in the exact same country have "hugely" different cultures? Of course they don't. They have small, nuanced differences, we clearly take a different meaning of the word "very different"

I have spent more time than most abroad, in very strict Muslim cultures they are "very" different, because you have to learn things before you go. There is even a whole page on wikipedia about middle eastern etiquette, they teach you all of these things before you go with the service, don't speak to the women, don't look at this or that, don't show your feet to people, dont use certain hands to do certain things, flashing your thumbs up is an offensive insult, different headwears have different meanings, etc etc etc

What does an American need to learn before he goes to Scotland? What does an Australian need to learn before he goes to America?

Ill tell you, absolutely feth all.

You rock up, and say "alright lads, lets go to the pub" and they say "great dude, lets go" there is absolutely no requirement to learn anything, or adjust your behavior in any way.

Tiny little nuances, but thats it. Perhaps we watch a different sport, or we drink a different beer, but that is the end of it. We do the exact same gak to relax, and we talk about the exact same gak, in this day and age, we even shop in the exact same shops, wear the exact same clohtes, listen to the exact same music, watch the exact same movies, and lust after the exact same women.

Im struggling to see where you are getting the "very" from.

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 paulson games wrote:
 Buzzsaw wrote:

Not to pile on, but the culture within the United States varies greatly from North to South, coast to coast and region to region. Just within my own state, Philadelphia and Lancaster are easily distinguishable by the people and their attitudes.


I agree 100% the US has a pretty diverse culture to it, the regions within the US vary a lot even though we're all Americans. It's even noticeable in or around major cities, there is a very different behavior pattern (culture) when you compare somebody from the major city to neighboring suburbs or rural areas. There's also a noticeable variety of cultures within the city itself depending on if somebody is in the uptown areas or they are from less affluent areas of the city or the hood. People from NY proper and people from Brooklyn or Queens are usually very different.

That holds true in most other areas of the world, people in a large city will typically act and think quite a bit differently than somebody who lives in a rural area.

People can always adapt to a new culture and become part of it, but that takes time. If you take some Cowboy from Austin and drop them in the center of Harlem NY it'll be pretty obvious that he sticks out like a sore thumb.


Indeed. It's always mystifying when people act as if "Americans" are a monolithic cultural block. To imagine that the entire Anglosphere is one homogeneous culture? At that point one might as well wonder what the person making the statement is even trying to measure.

You mention a cowboy from Austin, but that's a great example of how different even within one state people can be: a Texan will quickly tell you that there is a very big difference between Austin and Houston in terms of the people!

   
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Indeed. It's always mystifying when people act as if "Americans" are a monolithic cultural block. To imagine that the entire Anglosphere is one homogeneous culture? At that point one might as well wonder what the person making the statement is even trying to measure.

You mention a cowboy from Austin, but that's a great example of how different even within one state people can be: a Texan will quickly tell you that there is a very big difference between Austin and Houston in terms of the people!


So where do you draw a line then? My wife likes Sprite, I like Coke, does that make us "very different" culturally?

The line simply seems to be in what we class as very different, I am not some kind of hippy who thinks the entire world is one big love fest because we are all identical, but clearly the bar is set at a different level for everyone, and having spent years in Asia and the Middle East, I see only miniscule differences between the cultures around the English speaking world, and indeed, only slightly larger ones between the UK/US and Western Europe as a whole when compared with other places.

YMMV obviously, but the utterly seamless and entirely effortless integration between the UK/US and vice versa that I and my wife have gone through in the last 5 years seems to make a mockery of the idea we have very different cultures.

As I said, define "very different" well for me, and we may wind up singing off the same hymn sheet.

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 mattyrm wrote:
I have spent more time than most abroad, in very strict Muslim cultures they are "very" different, because you have to learn things before you go. There is even a whole page on wikipedia about middle eastern etiquette, they teach you all of these things before you go with the service, don't speak to the women, don't look at this or that, don't show your feet to people, dont use certain hands to do certain things, flashing your thumbs up is an offensive insult, different headwears have different meanings, etc etc etc


Not unlike going to several of the "urban areas" or hoods in the US where wearing certain colors, style of head ware, tattoos, or using the wrong handshake will get you shot or stabbed. You'll also find different social conventions used in back wood locations where good old boys have their own etiquette codes, etc. You don't need to travel half a world away to find other local cultures that vary a lot from your own. There's plenty of books written on understanding those cultures as well.

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 mattyrm wrote:
I have spent more time than most abroad, in very strict Muslim cultures they are "very" different, because you have to learn things before you go. There is even a whole page on wikipedia about middle eastern etiquette, they teach you all of these things before you go with the service, don't speak to the women, don't look at this or that, don't show your feet to people, dont use certain hands to do certain things, flashing your thumbs up is an offensive insult, different headwears have different meanings, etc etc etc


Not unlike going to several of the "urban areas" or hoods in the US where wearing certain colors, style of head ware, tattoos, or using the wrong handshake will get you shot or stabbed. You'll also find different social conventions used in back wood locations where good old boys have their own etiquette codes, etc. You don't need to travel half a world away to find other local cultures that vary a lot from your own. There's plenty of books written on understanding those cultures as well.


Well obviously yeah, but your starting to clutch at straws there, whats that got to do with anything? We were talking about different countries, then different states, now you are talking about how very different the place around the corner is! Were massively off topic, so lets just draw a line under it and say that the term very different means different things to different people shall we? After spending a deal of time in Asia and the middle east, I do not find Western cultures in general to be very different at all, and you do. It means different things to different people, and if you think British culture is very different to American, then thats your right to do so, but matty and his very American missus certainly don't, and she had zero adjusting to do when she moved to the UK, perhaps you would struggle, I'm sure the term means different things to different people, but personally I see no major differences between any of the English speaking nations of the modern world.

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It's whether you concentrate on the 10% that is very different or the 90% that's damn near identical when comparing European/European derived cultures.

Oriental culture vs Western culture is different down to its boots.

But this is OT, even for this thread!

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There seem to be an awful lot of Americans defining "different culture" as simply using different terms for a soft drink. The differences between DC and London - or between DC and Dallas, for that matter - are pretty insignificant in comparison to the differences between DC and Kandahar.
   
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 Seaward wrote:
There seem to be an awful lot of Americans defining "different culture" as simply using different terms for a soft drink. The differences between DC and London - or between DC and Dallas, for that matter - are pretty insignificant in comparison to the differences between DC and Kandahar.


Aye pretty much what I was getting at, I fit right in over here.

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 paulson games wrote:
In areas of Japan they have plenty of signs and names using English characters.

In Seoul too. But don't push it and try to speak English with most people . Been there, tried that, doesn't work ! I had an easier time speaking English in Iran. But I must confess I mostly met family or family's friend there, while I was all by my own in Seoul.
 paulson games wrote:
There's been a huge exchange of ideas and influences with the US for well over a hundred years

Well over a thousand years ? I would have said about 68 years .
 paulson games wrote:
Most Europeans share languages based on Latin roots but that's not grounds to say all Europeans are culturally similar because their alphabets use the same characters.

I feel like most Europeans are fairly similar.
 paulson games wrote:
There is a lot of exchanges between China, Korea, and Japan, but that doesn't mean that you can say x holds true in Korea so it should also be the same in Japan or China.

And I never said so. On the contrary, I think all this discussion started when I pointed out that grotesque, horrible porn fetishes is quite unique to Japan, and that it puts Japan apart from China and Japan. But you reacted by telling me that this was a “broad and uniformed statement”, because I mentioned China and Korea were Japan's closest cultural neighbor. Which is not even saying they are close, it's just saying there are no countries that are closer. If you feel some country is closer culturally to Japan than Korea and China, please name it !
 paulson games wrote:
While there are some shared commonalities in France, The UK, and Germany there are many things that set them distinctly apart as a culture and I wouldn't be foolish enough to say they are the same culturally just because they have a shared alphabet or have a few shared customs. The US is an offshoot of England and we have some common culture, language, and we get along politically but we are also very different culturally.

So, I guess we both agree that Japan, China and Korea are as close culturally to each other as, say, France, UK and Germany. Wherever we should call this being very close, or being very different.
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Take the same poses and situations and make them men.
Wonder if we would be having this discussion?

I'm sorry, is your question “If there were a few models and illustration of men with cleavage, boob windows and T&A pose, would we be having a discussion on the representation of women in miniature games” ? Or is it “If we gender-reversed every model and illustration, would we wonder why male are so few, and so uniform in their body shape, … while women are so prevalent, with so much more variety” ? Or are you talking about Brother Vinni's miniature only, and wondering how we would react to some model of a nude guy with a huge member holding a bazooka, and to a section called “victim boys” ? Or maybe something else entirely ?

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 mattyrm wrote:

What does an American need to learn before he goes to Scotland? What does an Australian need to learn before he goes to America?

Ill tell you, absolutely feth all.



What does an American need to know about Scotland? Plenty. Try Glasgow. Wrong accent/name and football strip in the wrong bar and you're in for a good chance of getting your head kicked in. Especially if their team lost. I'm serious, the sectarianism between Celtic and rangers fans can get that bad, that I, as an Irishman will not enter any bar that's flying the blue and white.


Try Northern Ireland. Even worse. To the extent that you should be extremely wary about giving your surname to folks.Just in case. You laugh, but I've got close friends who grew up in the north, and refuse to go back. I grew up hearing on the news about daily car bombings, shootings and knee cappings. That's not gone. There is 'peace' but there is a lot of anger below the surface. The communities are still divided along their fault lines. The levels of animosity, bitterness and anger is serious. It's been there for four hundred years. People know the hate, and they live their lives and die by it. Some towns are incredibly intimidating and full on and obvious about it with the flags that they fly. Everywhere. If you're from the side that flies the other flags, you really don't wan to be stuck there. Laugh all you want but it is extremely intimidating. Or if you say or do the wrong thing, or ask the wrong question (debates on politics or religion are simply out) and you're sticking your neck out.

Now saying all that, it's not a lawless warzone. You'll probably be ok. But absolutely everyone will tell you to be extremely wary. So as an american, let me tell you you've got plenty to learn about.
   
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What does an American need to know about Scotland? Plenty. Try Glasgow. Wrong accent/name and football strip in the wrong bar and you're in for a good chance of getting your head kicked in. Especially if their team lost. I'm serious, the sectarianism between Celtic and rangers fans can get that bad, that I, as an Irishman will not enter any bar that's flying the blue and white.


Try Northern Ireland. Even worse. To the extent that you should be extremely wary about giving your surname to folks.Just in case. You laugh, but I've got close friends who grew up in the north, and refuse to go back. I grew up hearing on the news about daily car bombings, shootings and knee cappings. That's not gone. There is 'peace' but there is a lot of anger below the surface. The communities are still divided along their fault lines. The levels of animosity, bitterness and anger is serious. It's been there for four hundred years. People know the hate, and they live their lives and die by it. Some towns are incredibly intimidating and full on and obvious about it with the flags that they fly. Everywhere. If you're from the side that flies the other flags, you really don't wan to be stuck there. Laugh all you want but it is extremely intimidating. Or if you say or do the wrong thing, or ask the wrong question (debates on politics or religion are simply out) and you're sticking your neck out.

Now saying all that, it's not a lawless warzone. You'll probably be ok. But absolutely everyone will tell you to be extremely wary. So as an american, let me tell you you've got plenty to learn about.

Or in some cases which part of the North you're from

 
   
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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Or in some cases which part of the North you're from



I'm not disagreeing. All I know is every time I pass through, I'm extremely wary and watchful. Most folks will be fine. Let's be clear about this. Most folks will be fine. But sadly, even considering this, there are still too many people that can't let the hate die, and refuse to end the 'war'.

And the thing is, they're not exactly definable by exact geographic locations. Better be wary, wherever you are. I'm not sure where you grew up, or what you're experiences are of the situation in the north, but mine are ones of 'just be careful, and watch what you say to everyone'. Don't mention sports, politics or religion either.
   
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
There's been a huge exchange of ideas and influences with the US for well over a hundred years

Well over a thousand years ? I would have said about 68 years .


The American Navy has had a major presence in Japan since the 1850's. (so a bit closer to 160 years). The US was a huge influence in Japan becoming a modernized power and building their pre-war navy. A lot of the senior Japanese naval officers were trained in US military academies or by liaisons that were sent to Japan to work with building the Imperial Army and Imperial Navy.

It may not be the lengthy run of fighting with Korea and China but a 160 year period is not a short stint of time either.



What does an American need to know about Scotland? Plenty. Try Glasgow.


Yup. Most travel agencies and even the US state department will give you plenty of information for places like Glasgow before you are allowed to travel there as there are a lot of nuances to the local culture you need to know if you want to be safe. It might not be as extreme as going to Somalia Afghanistan but it's certainly not someplace the average Joe should go uninformed.

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