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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 19:11:34
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Solahma
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whembly wrote:I don't see it and I'm not deliberately trying to be obtuse here.
Sorry, we're waaaaaay past me believing that, at least on this issue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 19:18:22
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Manchu wrote:I added a picture above to make it easier for you to see the obvious.
I thought that it was spam to just post an image with no text, never mind just quoting someone with no text of your own
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 19:22:06
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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So this means I'm not being targeted?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 19:24:59
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Solahma
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Only by those damn foreigners who want to steal your votes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 19:32:36
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Manchu wrote: whembly wrote:I don't see it and I'm not deliberately trying to be obtuse here.
Sorry, we're waaaaaay past me believing that, at least on this issue.
Okay... you believe that.
I'm having a hard time believing that you believe that the poor, old, minority, or whatever-flavor-of-the-month someone is incapable of having valid IDs at the time of their vote.
You do realize how patronizing that is?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 19:33:28
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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My give a damn is busted on this subject.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 19:35:58
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Solahma
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Yes, poll taxes are actually what empowers the marginalized! Good thing we got rid of that patronizing Voter Rights Act, too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 19:36:15
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Old Sourpuss
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whembly wrote:Manchu wrote: whembly wrote:I don't see it and I'm not deliberately trying to be obtuse here.
Sorry, we're waaaaaay past me believing that, at least on this issue.
Okay... you believe that.
I'm having a hard time believing that you believe that the poor, old, minority, or whatever-flavor-of-the-month someone is incapable of having valid IDs at the time of their vote.
You do realize how patronizing that is?
Actually, as it was established in the last Voter ID thread, Manchu doesn't want any sort of identification required at the polls.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 20:00:38
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Alfndrate wrote: whembly wrote:Manchu wrote: whembly wrote:I don't see it and I'm not deliberately trying to be obtuse here.
Sorry, we're waaaaaay past me believing that, at least on this issue.
Okay... you believe that.
I'm having a hard time believing that you believe that the poor, old, minority, or whatever-flavor-of-the-month someone is incapable of having valid IDs at the time of their vote.
You do realize how patronizing that is?
Actually, as it was established in the last Voter ID thread, Manchu doesn't want any sort of identification required at the polls.
 Oh yeah, forgot.
Carry on Manchu. I'm also eagerly waiting for your support to drop ID requirements for Food stamps, medicaid, and the like.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 20:04:53
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Solahma
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Why would I argue that? I have two perfectly good arguments against Voter ID laws. I know you don't like the first one, about disproportionate racial and socio-economic impact. But the second one, about useless government interference with individual rights, should be right up your ally. The fact that you don't go for that one either is, I believe, pretty damn telling.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 20:07:10
Subject: Re:Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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The Conquerer
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We aren't seeing any evidence of disproportionate racial and socio-economic impact. If anything, it suggests the opposite.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 20:27:14
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Manchu wrote:Why would I argue that?
I have two perfectly good arguments against Voter ID laws. I know you don't like the first one, about disproportionate racial and socio-economic impact. But the second one, about useless government interference with individual rights, should be right up your ally.
The fact that you don't go for that one either is, I believe, pretty damn telling.
Telling what Manchu? What are you really trying to say?
And further more, what about the disproportionate racial and socio-economic impact? How do you figure that?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 20:29:47
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Considering I have to provide ID and affirm multiple things to use my Second Amendment Rights, this fits right in with Voter ID Law for voting. Try harder Manchu.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 21:17:28
Subject: Re:Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
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On the other hand, it is very hard to kill someone with a vote.
Unless you drop a voting booth on them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 21:22:02
Subject: Re:Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Co'tor Shas wrote:On the other hand, it is very hard to kill someone with a vote.
Unless you drop a voting booth on them.
Not if you're voting for war. Ask Hillary Clinton and the Iraqees.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 21:47:01
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Solahma
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Frazzled wrote:Considering I have to provide ID and affirm multiple things to use my Second Amendment Rights
Totally immaterial. Out out damn reason! That you are a partisan hack, ready to line up with whatever the Red Team broadcasts over the loudspeakers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 21:49:43
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Totally immaterial.
Horse gak, both are guaranteed under the Constitution. The Right to Bear Arms is specifically guaranteed. The right to vote is not even in the Bill of Rights.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 21:53:33
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Solahma
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You know, you're right. The gun comparison can be apropos. Consumers are required to prove who they are when buying a firearm because certain people cannot buy firearms thanks to gun crime. The comparable argument here is that voters must show ID because non-citizens are voting and citizens are committing voter fraud.
EXCEPT that last part isn't true. The real reason for Voter ID laws is 100% transparent. Go on pretending otherwise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 21:59:38
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Manchu wrote:whembly wrote wrote:Telling what Manchu? What are you really trying to say?
That you are a partisan hack, ready to line up with whatever the Red Team broadcasts over the loudspeakers.
Really?
O.o
Damn... you were on a mission to "change minds" and when someone doesn't comply, they're automatically in your "partisan hack" bucket.
World doesn't revolve around you... you precious snowflake.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 22:07:04
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Solahma
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whembly wrote:Damn... you were on a mission to "change minds" and when someone doesn't comply, they're automatically in your "partisan hack" bucket
We had something like 3+ days of discussion where you willfully ignored a conservative critique of voter ID laws. The issue was settled in a manner that was far from automatic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 22:12:47
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Manchu wrote: whembly wrote:Damn... you were on a mission to "change minds" and when someone doesn't comply, they're automatically in your "partisan hack" bucket
We had something like 3+ days of discussion where you willfully ignored a conservative critique of voter ID laws. The issue was settled in a manner that was far from automatic. Right... first... you accuse me of a "partisan hack"... assuming that I parrot whatever right-winger leader preaches. Then, you're accusing me of a "willfully ignored a conservative critique" of the Voter ID laws, as if I'm "stepping out of line" of whatever ideological group you think I'm in... (a red conservative one...amirite?) Make up your damn mind brah. You see... stereotyping is bad, dontcha know? It's like profiling, or something. Plus, in the end, I tried to reconcile by saying "let's agree to disagree, and move on", which you rejected. *shrugs* I still wanna know from you why Voter ID laws is institutional racism. Or, were you simply being hyperbolic? It's okay dude... we're all guilty of that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 22:34:59
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Solahma
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whembly wrote:assuming that I parrot whatever right-winger leader preaches.
It's hardly an assumption. Everyone has access to your posting history and the history of what threads you've started.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 22:45:23
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Dakka Veteran
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Kanluwen wrote:
But hey, it's not like I live in North Carolina and actually have experience in dealing with the NC DMV.
http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/
*cough*
so wait till january to not pay $10 on a ID.
Having moved to NC from VA I understand how hard it is to deal with the DMV in NC in the charlotte area. It took me a Total of 20 minutes to get, My NC Class A Commercial Driver's license, My DOT medical card recorded, and to register to vote. It was probably my 2nd best visit to A DMV ever. (the best one is the VA DMV on the border between NC and VA near galax on 77, lady there was so sweet)
Now if you want to Complain about a DMV go to one in Arlington, VA Where I got to wait 8 hours to get my driver's license because the Camera's went down After the 2nd fething person went through(i was 4th) and they didn't have anyone at the facitlity to reset them  , and when they finally got them fixed The teller and myself were getting yelled at by some middle eastern guy calling the teller rascist because the teller called me up instead of him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 23:16:00
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Manchu wrote:You know, you're right. The gun comparison can be apropos. Consumers are required to prove who they are when buying a firearm because certain people cannot buy firearms thanks to gun crime. The comparable argument here is that voters must show ID because non-citizens are voting and citizens are committing voter fraud.
EXCEPT that last part isn't true. The real reason for Voter ID laws is 100% transparent. Go on pretending otherwise.
Aren't felons unable to vote as well as purchase a firearm? I guess it goes from state to state, but if you want to use that argument for gun purchases we can apply it to voting
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 23:33:35
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Manchu wrote: whembly wrote:assuming that I parrot whatever right-winger leader preaches.
It's hardly an assumption. Everyone has access to your posting history and the history of what threads you've started.
*sigh*
So, instead of engaging me with my one simple question, you want to attack me to avoid answering.
Again, why are VoterID laws considered "Institutional Racism TM " Manchu?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 23:46:14
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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whembly wrote:Manchu wrote: whembly wrote:assuming that I parrot whatever right-winger leader preaches.
It's hardly an assumption. Everyone has access to your posting history and the history of what threads you've started.
*sigh*
So, instead of engaging me with my one simple question, you want to attack me to avoid answering.
Again, why are VoterID laws considered "Institutional Racism TM " Manchu?
Because it prevents people from vo... oh wait!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/15 23:56:58
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Grey Templar wrote:We aren't seeing any evidence of disproportionate racial and socio-economic impact. If anything, it suggests the opposite.
That's only what the evidence says after all
Co'tor Shas wrote:On the other hand, it is very hard to kill someone with a vote.
Unless you drop a voting booth on them.
Tell that to all those Americans suffering from serious illnesses that have gotten cancellation notices through the mail and are facing this very real possibility
Manchu wrote:Yes, poll taxes are actually what empowers the marginalized! Good thing we got rid of that patronizing Voter Rights Act, too.
Free ID (that needs documents that are also initially provided free) is now a tax?
Manchu wrote:You know, you're right. The gun comparison can be apropos. Consumers are required to prove who they are when buying a firearm because certain people cannot buy firearms thanks to gun crime. The comparable argument here is that voters must show ID because non-citizens are voting and citizens are committing voter fraud.
You know, except for the evidence that has been provided in this thread (and others) that not only does voter fraud exist, but that the numbers are artificially low because DAs (who just so happened to be voted into office) do not believe that it is a high priority crime, and some have the view that it is "victimless"
The fact that you ignore the evidence that stands contrary to your stated position, then have the gall to call others in this thread "a partisan hack" is actually beyond satire. The fact that a moderator is also playing fast and loose with the rules he is meant to be upholding is another matter altogether.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 00:14:18
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Manchu wrote:
Also, notice the bold part: whembly wrote:I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how/why Voter ID is racist again...
Good to see you finally realize you're just asking the same question over and over again despite getting what must at this point be hundreds of posts in reply.
But don't let me get in the way of your rally here. DEY TERK ER VOTES!
Oh... just saw this addendum.
No one has yet responded to that question.
It's always "you need to understand the Context" or some rubbish.
This post shows one set of evidence that Voter ID laws do NOT suppress votes... and you just flat out disregarded it.
The fact that you can't adequately address my question is telling.
The fact that you've flat out ignored that these Voter IDs laws has survived multiple court challeges... is telling.
You can oppose it and state your reasons. That's fine.
I'm going to let you in my grandmother's tactic in arguments.
"You think you're right, I know I'm right... and that's THAT!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 03:42:36
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Frazzled wrote:Considering I have to provide ID and affirm multiple things to use my Second Amendment Rights, this fits right in with Voter ID Law for voting. Try harder Manchu.
Don't forget, if you make a purchase of a Class III item for your weapon such as a suppressor, you also have to pay a $200 Stamp Tax to the Fed in order to exercise your Second Amendment right. Never hear liberals rail against that as being too punitive to minorities. As long as the ID's are provided free then all the poll tax/"minority rights" issues becomes nothing more than strawman arguments. So, Manchu, show me a place in the US where mandatory voter ID has been adopted where the ID is not available free to those who can provide citizenship and residence.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 03:46:43
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Solahma
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What a joke. This has gone on for so long now across so many threads. Just because you pretend no one has answered your ridiculous questions in painstaking detail countless times doesn't make it true.
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