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Cheesecat wrote: My ability to feel sorry for white people who feel they're being persecuted due to their race is close to zero, this article is a non-issue to me.
People like you are disgusting.
Racism is racism, period. It doesn't matter what color you are. As soon as everyone can accept that, the quicker it will dissapear.
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Your skin color is your skin color, which is a genetic trait. You don't see the straight haired people ganging up on the curly hairs and vice versa. The blue eyes aren't in a war with the brown.
Class stereotypes are falsely attributed to being racial qualities far too often.
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2013/11/19 04:46:38
Subject: Obama's racist and sexist education secretary
I love the part where he says he wants to "encourage a difficult conversation". What he really meant was that he wanted to make conversation for those who disagree with him difficult, so he decided to steryotype and marginalize them.
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2013/11/19 04:57:35
Subject: Obama's racist and sexist education secretary
Again, I have no idea how someone that never taught and never went to a public school or worked in a public school is qualified to be our secretary of education.
You know what's sick? Only one secretary of Ed since the position was created in the carter admin has ever worked in a school.
2013/11/19 04:57:37
Subject: Obama's racist and sexist education secretary
The is also the definition from Webster:
: poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race
: the belief that some races of people are better than others
I would say his offhand statement that it's just a bunch of white suburban soccer moms complaining rates as bad treatment. Definitly true about the sexist point, also. People complained about Romney being out of touch with his 47% comment, yet allowing this kind of statement to go by without thinking twice about it is fairly strange. Any Republican saying something like this would be getting dragged through the dirt by now.
I mean, I think when they said bad treatment they meant something along the lines of segregation or making people sit at the back of the bus, not making an offhand comment about a very small portion of a race.
And he's not attributing the complaining to whites, he's attributing it to white suburban moms. Again, his comments were targeted at a specific group, not a whole racial group. You could say he's prejudiced against suburban moms who are white, and like I said, you could even argue he's being sexist by saying that women are complainers here, but when you look at it racially, white suburban moms are too small a part of the total makeup of "whites" for his offhand comment to be considered racist. Heck, one could argue he's prejudiced against suburban people too, they're one of the things listed.
Like, if I said that white country dads are lazy (for the record, I'm not actually saying that), does that make me racist against whites? Or just prejudiced against white country dads and not other whites?
I'm not saying it wasn't an inartful statement deserving of some flakk, but racist is just reaching.
2013/11/19 05:04:40
Subject: Obama's racist and sexist education secretary
It's bad in general just some is worse than others.
I hope you understand how awful this sounds, and how true civil rights crusaders like Dr King would abhor that statement.
You don't get to put racism on a scale of bad to good.
I'm pretty sure Martin Luther would recognize the difference in the amount of unfair treatment when it comes to slavery of black people in America vs some guy making awkward statements about "white soccer mom's", I know which racial issue I would be more concerned about.
2013/11/19 05:07:30
Subject: Obama's racist and sexist education secretary
I know it would be considered bad treatment by most here, myself included if he made such a sweeping comment about black urban moms, making it seem that in the first place, black moms aren't worth listening to, and in the second place they are the only ones complaining.
Being marginalized and ignored with race and sex listed as reasons for the treatment, compounding this arrogance, is not good treatment by a government for it's people.
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2013/11/19 05:15:57
Subject: Obama's racist and sexist education secretary
It's bad in general just some is worse than others.
I hope you understand how awful this sounds, and how true civil rights crusaders like Dr King would abhor that statement.
You don't get to put racism on a scale of bad to good.
I'm pretty sure Martin Luther would recognize the difference in the amount of unfair treatment when it comes to slavery of black people in America vs some guy making awkward statements about "white soccer mom's", I know which racial issue I would be more concerned about.
Well never know, but I can honestly say I don't think he would recognize it. He would most probably say all racism is bad and equal.
Cheesecat wrote: My ability to feel sorry for white people who feel they're being persecuted due to their race is close to zero, this article is a non-issue to me.
People like you are disgusting.
Racism is racism, period. It doesn't matter what color you are. As soon as everyone can accept that, the quicker it will dissapear.
Exalted.
Your skin color is your skin color, which is a genetic trait. You don't see the straight haired people ganging up on the curly hairs and vice versa. The blue eyes aren't in a war with the brown.
Class stereotypes are falsely attributed to being racial qualities far too often.
There's more to racism than just different skin (nor is that the only quality that people use to define certain races), also there's many problems with "Color Blindness" theory Wikipedia has an interesting article on it under the "Criticism of color blindness" section.
It's bad in general just some is worse than others.
I hope you understand how awful this sounds, and how true civil rights crusaders like Dr King would abhor that statement.
You don't get to put racism on a scale of bad to good.
I'm pretty sure Martin Luther would recognize the difference in the amount of unfair treatment when it comes to slavery of black people in America vs some guy making awkward statements about "white soccer mom's", I know which racial issue I would be more concerned about.
I think he would not approve of a man who slipped up and revealed that he doesn't think twice about being prejudiced against a group of people. Remember hearing his speeches about "black and white together"? I never heard anywhere in any of his speeches where he mentioned leaving anyone out because of race or sex.
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2013/11/19 05:24:09
Subject: Obama's racist and sexist education secretary
So only suburban white moms pay attention to their kids education and will be upset if their kids are getting a poor education? So I guess inner-city minority moms don't care about their kids and need the government to implement common core?
There really was no reason to call out a demographic by gender and race unless his goal was to marginalized them, which was exactly his goal... To make their criticism invalid by discounting them in whole...
Some feel the reason why "common core" will show their school to be inferior, is because it will lower the standard and make their school inferior. So instead of trying to show evidence that their fears are potentially false, let's just attack and discount them as a whole.
There is a reason people use the term "political" to describe language designed not to be offensive. Because you can get your point across without having destroy your credibility because of "the way you said it" which is what he has done and harmed his agenda.
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2013/11/19 05:30:02
Subject: Obama's racist and sexist education secretary
Relapse wrote: I never heard anywhere in any of his speeches where he mentioned leaving anyone out because of race or sex.
MLK supported affirmative action, which, by definition leaves at least someones out.
Anyway, another day in the OT. The usual suspects fish for today's Obama outrage, hook a little one, decide while it's not normally a keeper it's better than an empty plate, and throw it in the cooler.
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2013/11/19 05:33:40
Subject: Obama's racist and sexist education secretary
Cheesecat wrote: My ability to feel sorry for white people who feel they're being persecuted due to their race is close to zero, this article is a non-issue to me.
People like you are disgusting.
Racism is racism, period. It doesn't matter what color you are. As soon as everyone can accept that, the quicker it will dissapear.
My point isn't that racism isn't bad my point it is that white people on average are not as effected as negatively as other races (at least in Canada and the US), if you want to look at real racial issues how about racial profiling of blacks by police, the earning inequalities of different races, laws
involving first nations, racial profiling of brown people by airports, Islamophobia, mistreatment of Filipino live-in care givers in Canada, black women who spend thousands of dollars to make the hair look like a white person's hair, etc not some guy making an awkward comment about white
soccer moms. At some point white people have to quit being phony about race and admit that being white just makes life easier (at least in Canada and the US) we dominate pretty much every industry like entertainment, politics, corporations, etc. Btw, that's not to say whites aren't effected
by racism but you have to be delusional to think that racism that effects whites is on the same level as other races (at least in Canada and the US) or that all forms of racism are equally bad as one and other.
Basically so. Years ago, I wondered why white pride is frowned upon quite often. Then I realized that we don't deserve pride, we've got too much pride as it is; just look at all the damage we've done.
But in other words:
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Also, the comment clearly wasn't an attempt to discount the experiences of white suburbanites. Quite the reverse: Duncan said that white suburbanites who have staked so much -- like a mortgage -- on their children's education (among other reasons, if we read between the lines, because they can afford to) do not appreciate finding out that investment may not be paying off because their kids are not doing as well in light of a national context.
Manchu wrote: Also, the comment clearly wasn't an attempt to discount the experiences of white suburbanites. Quite the reverse: Duncan said that white suburbanites who have staked so much -- like a mortgage -- on their children's education (among other reasons, if we read between the lines, because they can afford to) do not appreciate finding out that investment may not be paying off because their kids are not doing as well in light of a national context.
Manchu wrote: Also, the comment clearly wasn't an attempt to discount the experiences of white suburbanites. Quite the reverse: Duncan said that white suburbanites who have staked so much -- like a mortgage -- on their children's education (among other reasons, if we read between the lines, because they can afford to) do not appreciate finding out that investment may not be paying off because their kids are not doing as well in light of a national context.
A now some set of common core standards, arbitrarily created by a panel of non-educators, is going to tell them their districts are no longer as good, and that's acceptable?
So districts that were "good" under the previous standards could potentially now be underperforming? What kind of sense does that make?
Common core is garbage, people around the country, white and black, poor and rich, are realizing its garbage as districts start to implement the programs, and this is Duncan trying to deflect that fact by saying soccer moms are less concerned with the actual education and more concerned with how it's going to affect their property value.
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cincydooley wrote: saying soccer moms are less concerned with the actual education and more concerned with how it's going to affect their property value
No, that isn't what he said either. He spoke to people thinking they had invested in a good community for the sake of schooling their children being faced with the prospect that their investment may in fact (and whether it is a fact is certainly a separate issue) be so good.
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Bullockist wrote: Lets get right down to it people. All people are racist. Anyone who thinks white people are the only racist people clearly has not worked as a minority in a workplace...get out more. I had years of people calling me white scum to my face.
Everybody, and every ethnic group is racist. No argument there. But the impacts of that racism are not felt equally by all. If I walk through an area with lots of non-white people and get a few stares, well thhen I keep walking, soon arrive at a majority white area and forget about the experience. That isn't the same thing as a black guy interviewing for a job and finding the interviewer has a lot of pre-conceived racial notions.
In the first situation, the people staring at me as I walk are probably being more racist, but the impact of the second situation is much greater. And given that the higher up the corporate food chain you go the higher the percentage of white people, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out who suffers the most impact from racism.
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cincydooley wrote: You don't get to put racism on a scale of bad to good.
No, but you do recognise how some incidents impact people's lives more than other incidents. I mean, a guy getting called a racist word is not the same thing as a lynching.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2013/11/19 06:16:40
Subject: Re:Obama's racist and sexist education secretary
sebster wrote: And given that the higher up the corporate food chain you go the higher the percentage of white people, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out who suffers the most impact from racism.
The poor?
2013/11/19 06:18:20
Subject: Obama's racist and sexist education secretary
nkelsch wrote: So only suburban white moms pay attention to their kids education and will be upset if their kids are getting a poor education? So I guess inner-city minority moms don't care about their kids and need the government to implement common core?
No, you're deliberately misreading the comment to invent a false outrage. He is saying that the belief that one's school is better than it really is, is held by suburban white mums, and not by inner city minority mums. Which doesn't mean minority mums don't care about their kid's education, it means they don't hold overly optimistic opinions of the schools they send their kids to.
All of which may or may not be true, but is a million miles from what you were trying to pretend he stated.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2013/11/19 06:27:23
Subject: Re:Obama's racist and sexist education secretary
No, but you do recognise how some incidents impact people's lives more than other incidents. I mean, a guy getting called a racist word is not the same thing as a lynching.
Certainly. But that's not what more than a few people here have said. We've read at least two people say that racism against whites is more acceptable than racism against minorities, which is shocking to me.
All racism is bad. Minorities certainly are affected by it more often than the white suburban soccer mom, but that doesn't make it "okay" when she is subjected to it, which is what some folks in this thread seem to be saying.
