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2013/12/19 16:01:56
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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2013/12/19 17:04:21
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
Some Tomb World in some galaxy by that one thing in that one place (or Minnesota for nosy people)
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2013/12/19 19:36:58
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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...and his sword has armorbane. Automatically Appended Next Post: Would someone be good enough to do the math-hammer for Be'lakor vs Skarbrand, that should be an interesting fight.....
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/12/19 20:24:35
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Sslimey Sslyth
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Well, I dunno if this would really qualify as "winning" the combat, but it would definitely be worth the trade:
That SW special character that has the stasis field bomb thing in his chest? If he dies, everything in BtB with him is removed from the table or something?
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2013/12/19 20:31:04
Subject: Re:Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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How would the Doom fair against him?
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2013/12/19 20:34:28
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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 Yetii wrote:I'd throw in Arjac Rockfist for consideration - 2+/3+ Always hits on a 3+ S5 with Thunderhammer(S10), EW, Re-rolls failed hits vs IC's (& MC's?) and gets +1 A for his special storm shield, Stubbon, pretty sure he has a wolf tail talisman too so nullify psychic attacks against him on a 5+...
- only snag is 2 Wounds but provided he suvives the offensive, i think he has a pretty solid chance... took out An'ggrath the unbound in a recent game of apocalypse one on one although admittedly the demon player did roll poorly!
Surely An'ggrath was wounded. In a normal 1v1 An'ggrath would paste him in a single round.
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2013/12/19 20:44:50
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 sub-zero wrote: ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:A necron overlord could do it, purely by virtue of MSS. Yet Be'Lakor still wins out more often than not.
Couldn't Be'lakor cast invisibility on himself, therefore rendering the MSS almost useless?
Invisibility has no effect on MSS.
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2013/12/19 20:48:34
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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The Swarmlord would give him a run for his money, and I reckon he'd probably win most of the time. I'd likely come down to what powers they got and whether they got them off or not but even here Swarmy has the advantage, as Be'lakor will be casting on 3D6.
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2013/12/19 20:49:08
Subject: Re:Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Would be instakilled. Automatically Appended Next Post: sub-zero wrote:
...and his sword has armorbane.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Would someone be good enough to do the math-hammer for Be'lakor vs Skarbrand, that should be an interesting fight.....
I would say Skarbrand would win. Certainly if Bally didn't cast powers.
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2013/12/19 21:09:32
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Probably woudnt kill be'lakor but would an ordo malleus inqusitor? might put up a fight in the first round of combat :-
Terminator armour
Nemesis Daemon Hammer
Psyker hammerhead
Empyrean brain mines
And the grimoire of true names
Only 100pts
Lowers Ws, I and LD
Psychotropic grenades and the Empyrean mines can mess up
Ld and I even more and can stop him attacking. Then the deamon hammer (would this ID him?)
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2013/12/19 21:28:42
Subject: Re:Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Feel like Draigo would probably be your best bet. He is also EW, is a beast in combat, has a boost to DtW, has hammerhand so you can also boost his strength, has a 2+/3++ so is survivable against Smash attacks, he's Fearless, has Preferred Enemy, and let's not forget that Nemesis weapons cause daemons to take a leadership test if they take an unsaved wound and removes them from play if they fail. This isn't an Instant Death thing either, so Bel'akor wouldn't be immune.
Yeah, Dragio would be the one to bet on, imo
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2013/12/19 21:30:48
Subject: Re:Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Why would be instakilled ? Does Belakor have ID on his weapons or do you mean Belakor would just single round him ?
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2013/12/19 21:33:06
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Again swarmy terrify would be best, and against abby -1 ld and not fearless means a invis belly has a chance to run them down.
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2013/12/19 21:36:31
Subject: Re:Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Fragile wrote:
Why would be instakilled ? Does Belakor have ID on his weapons or do you mean Belakor would just single round him ?
Smash attacks bring him to Str 10.
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2013/12/19 21:52:21
Subject: Re:Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Any of the primarchs would dominate him.
Swarmlord could do pretty well.
I don't see how he can beat a corpulescense bloodthirster.
Whatever the Emperor looks like when he finally comes out he'll annihilate Be'lakor. And probably cost 3-4 times as much but whatever.
Some of the Silly legion praetors you can make have a chance.
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2013/12/19 21:55:12
Subject: Re:Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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 ThePrimordial wrote:Any of the primarchs would dominate him.
Swarmlord could do pretty well.
I don't see how he can beat a corpulescense
Whatever the Emperor looks like when he finally comes out he'll annihilate Be'lakor. And probably cost 3-4 times as much but whatever.
Some of the Silly legion praetors you can make have a chance.
I'd go with 4-10 times as much, imo.
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2013/12/19 22:07:34
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Useless Sidekick wrote:Probably woudnt kill be'lakor but would an ordo malleus inqusitor? might put up a fight in the first round of combat :-
Terminator armour
Nemesis Daemon Hammer
Psyker hammerhead
Empyrean brain mines
And the grimoire of true names
Only 100pts
Lowers Ws, I and LD
Psychotropic grenades and the Empyrean mines can mess up
Ld and I even more and can stop him attacking. Then the deamon hammer (would this ID him?)
Be'lekor has EW, so no ID from hammers.
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/12/19 22:18:12
Subject: Re:Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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ThePrimordial wrote:Any of the primarchs would dominate him.
Swarmlord could do pretty well.
I don't see how he can beat a corpulescense
Whatever the Emperor looks like when he finally comes out he'll annihilate Be'lakor. And probably cost 3-4 times as much but whatever.
Some of the Silly legion praetors you can make have a chance.
I doubt any praetor build could take him, obviously the primarchs take all comers save the named FW greater daemons.
They have announced they aren't doing rules for the Emperor.
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2013/12/19 22:34:09
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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sub-zero wrote:Useless Sidekick wrote:Probably woudnt kill be'lakor but would an ordo malleus inqusitor? might put up a fight in the first round of combat :-
Terminator armour
Nemesis Daemon Hammer
Psyker hammerhead
Empyrean brain mines
And the grimoire of true names
Only 100pts
Lowers Ws, I and LD
Psychotropic grenades and the Empyrean mines can mess up
Ld and I even more and can stop him attacking. Then the deamon hammer (would this ID him?)
Be'lekor has EW, so no ID from hammers.
The Nemesis Daemon Hammer isnt an ID weapon it has a deamonbane special rule. Briefly put If a wound is caused during the combat the deamon must pass a LD test or is removed as a casualty? ?
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2013/12/19 22:42:49
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Useless Sidekick wrote: sub-zero wrote:Useless Sidekick wrote:Probably woudnt kill be'lakor but would an ordo malleus inqusitor? might put up a fight in the first round of combat :-
Terminator armour
Nemesis Daemon Hammer
Psyker hammerhead
Empyrean brain mines
And the grimoire of true names
Only 100pts
Lowers Ws, I and LD
Psychotropic grenades and the Empyrean mines can mess up
Ld and I even more and can stop him attacking. Then the deamon hammer (would this ID him?)
Be'lekor has EW, so no ID from hammers.
The Nemesis Daemon Hammer isnt an ID weapon it has a deamonbane special rule. Briefly put If a wound is caused during the combat the deamon must pass a LD test or is removed as a casualty? ?
Wow, didn't know that one.  I gotta steer clear of Nemesis Deamon Hammers in the future! lol But Be'lakor is LD 10, so the chances of failing are pretty slim..... 
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/12/19 23:57:38
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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BaconUprising wrote: Yetii wrote:I'd throw in Arjac Rockfist for consideration - 2+/3+ Always hits on a 3+ S5 with Thunderhammer(S10), EW, Re-rolls failed hits vs IC's (& MC's?) and gets +1 A for his special storm shield, Stubbon, pretty sure he has a wolf tail talisman too so nullify psychic attacks against him on a 5+...
- only snag is 2 Wounds but provided he suvives the offensive, i think he has a pretty solid chance... took out An'ggrath the unbound in a recent game of apocalypse one on one although admittedly the demon player did roll poorly!
Surely An'ggrath was wounded. In a normal 1v1 An'ggrath would paste him in a single round.
Yeah took a couple of rounds and An'ggrath was wounded and eventually died, the rolling from the demon player was so bad that game so Luck of the dice gods on that one I have to say. Made for a cracking game though 
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2013/12/20 00:42:10
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Monstrous Master Moulder
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Shove three Lone Wolves at him.
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2013/12/20 03:28:33
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Draigo, all the way! Re-rolls 1s to Hit and to Wound, wounds on 2s, hits on 4s, banishes daemons on a fail Ld roll ... what's not to love?
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“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world.”
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2013/12/20 03:31:21
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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 jeffersonian000 wrote:Draigo, all the way! Re-rolls 1s to Hit and to Wound, wounds on 2s, hits on 4s, banishes daemons on a fail Ld roll ... what's not to love?
SJ
Also the psyk out grenades means he gets to go first on the first round of combat (he has those grenades right and im not just being silly?)
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"Put your 1st best against you opponents 2nd best, your 2nd best against their 3rd best, and your 3rd best against their 1st best"-Sun Tzu's Art of War
"If your not winning, try a bigger sword! Usually works..."
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2013/12/20 03:35:08
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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 A GumyBear wrote: jeffersonian000 wrote:Draigo, all the way! Re-rolls 1s to Hit and to Wound, wounds on 2s, hits on 4s, banishes daemons on a fail Ld roll ... what's not to love?
SJ
Also the psyk out grenades means he gets to go first on the first round of combat (he has those grenades right and im not just being silly?)
Yep, he has Psyk-Out G'nades.
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2013/12/20 03:47:39
Subject: Re:Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Avatar w/ Disarming Strike and Monster Hunter might stand a chance. He'll get the disarm off 75%, even with invisibility up. And that means Be'lakor has to halve his attacks or he's only wounding on a 5+.
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2013/12/20 05:03:15
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Asuraman has a chance - albeit a tiny one - to kill be'l in one round...
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2013/12/20 05:06:47
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Draigo is pretty much made to fight daemons. However if you let Draigo charge Be'Lakor you fail at 40K.
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2013/12/20 05:31:11
Subject: Re:Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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I've only fought him once but killed him with a dreadknight, I think I got lucky. The re-rolls from the greatsword made WS1 not as bad.
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2013/12/20 08:59:23
Subject: Who could possibly win a fight against Be'lakor?
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 sub-zero wrote:Useless Sidekick wrote: sub-zero wrote:Useless Sidekick wrote:Probably woudnt kill be'lakor but would an ordo malleus inqusitor? might put up a fight in the first round of combat :-
Terminator armour
Nemesis Daemon Hammer
Psyker hammerhead
Empyrean brain mines
And the grimoire of true names
Only 100pts
Lowers Ws, I and LD
Psychotropic grenades and the Empyrean mines can mess up
Ld and I even more and can stop him attacking. Then the deamon hammer (would this ID him?)
Be'lekor has EW, so no ID from hammers.
The Nemesis Daemon Hammer isnt an ID weapon it has a deamonbane special rule. Briefly put If a wound is caused during the combat the deamon must pass a LD test or is removed as a casualty? ?
Wow, didn't know that one. I gotta steer clear of Nemesis Deamon Hammers in the future! lol But Be'lakor is LD 10, so the chances of failing are pretty slim.....
Haha not when the inquisitor has the grimoire of true names it puts a -5 modifiers on to Ws, I & Ld.
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