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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Funny the title of the thread had to be edited to include (Not Titans)

Pre orders here are $120, dunno if thats base, or discounted.

Didn't have to be, I chose to, it was my little joke.

 azreal13 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Funny the title of the thread had to be edited to include (Not Titans)

Pre orders here are $120, dunno if thats base, or discounted.

Didn't have to be, I chose to, it was my little joke.

Ah I thought it was due to the crap 10 pages back lol

 sennacherib wrote:
WOULD have thought to include a chaos version in the rules.

I would happily use them as is with CSM at the moment. Chaos specific rules ( USR's / weapon options and such ) may appear later in a WD, if not the Codex itself ?

 sennacherib wrote:
Seems like GW, being as they are financially sucking heavily right now, WOULD have thought to include a chaos version in the rules.

THat is of course acting on the assumption that they actually think.

Fail.

it might be they want to hold off and do it properly.

it might also be that their bean coutners crunched the numbers and realized that they'll proably not lose a substantial number of sales (I don't see a lotta chaos players compared to Imperial players)

it could also be that the corperate thinking is that the idea behind this is to give access to super heavies to the Imperial factions, to try and spur slaes of the necron, chaos and ork super heavies as a counter

I dunno if Chaos can get them, from what I saw of the magazine, looks like it's going to be a new Codex for mechanicum. Looks like you can bring 6 of these in your army. And the can ally with imperial army's

Found this site & thought people might find it interesting:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Knight

Perhaps gw realise the lord of skulls dont sell as much as they want, so by giving "half of the armies" access to a new big bad model (or two),
but deny chaos to use it, they may sell some more of their even more expencive lord of skulls.
Just a thought.

Edit: i dont really think it makes sense, giving chaos acces to this model would be far more profitable than thinking it
Somehow compeate with stuff like the skull lord, but I can see how gw could reason thus.

 Fayric wrote:
Perhaps gw realise the lord of skulls dont sell as much as they want, so by giving "half of the armies" access to a new big bad model (or two),
but deny chaos to use it, they may sell some more of their even more expencive lord of skulls.
Just a thought.

Edit: i dont really think it makes sense, giving chaos acces to this model would be far more profitable than thinking it
Somehow compeate with stuff like the skull lord, but I can see how gw could reason thus.

yeah thats my read. they're hoping these knights will enchourage other super heavy sales and increase support for escalation

When your company has lost a lot in sales, denying yourself sales on something that you have already invested heavily in seems stupid.

However, the lord of lawnmowers may not have sold all that well, and as a result they probably want to get more people to buy it by denying chaos access to something like the knight. Problem is, the lawnmower is lamer looking, more expensive, and Khorne Specific. As a Nurgle player i won't likely buy that thing ever (though i have seen a great nurgle conversion of it.).

 sennacherib wrote:
When your company has lost a lot in sales, denying yourself sales on something that you have already invested heavily in seems stupid.

However, the lord of lawnmowers may not have sold all that well, and as a result they probably want to get more people to buy it by denying chaos access to something like the knight. Problem is, the lawnmower is lamer looking, more expensive, and Khorne Specific. As a Nurgle player i won't likely buy that thing ever (though i have seen a great nurgle conversion of it.).

I do believe GW learned something from the Khornemower, not as much as they should have, but something. They released a asinine looking model I still can't believe is a thing for a subset of one army, and not a particularly popular or effective subset. Best case scenario there was mediocre sales. Now, a slightly cheaper superheavy drawn from a reasonably well-established section of the fluff and available to Guard and all the colours of Marines (I have a Marine army, and I still find it hard to actually consider them all wholly seperate army, and the fact that GW itself has apparently referred to this being available to all marines counts as "half the armies" is quite saddening), well worst case scenario, it'll sell better than the Khornemower.

As for Chaos getting this, I think it's largely inevitable, but not without it being re-packed with Chaos bits. Remember, GW won't release anything that they can't sell the exact model/wargear for anymore, and do no encourage much in the way of hobby creativeness, so I don't think you'll see them say later "Knights can be used by the forces of Chaos, but must demonstrate their chaotic allegiance on the model," as think of those heinous third party bits manufacturers who will then sell Chaos bits for Knights!

Nevermind you had to buy the bloody model in the first place from GW (which still confuses me in general; aftermarket bits will get you kicked out of a store, despite you buying the full GW kit originally).

 sennacherib wrote:
Problem is, the lawnmower is lamer looking, more expensive, and Khorne Specific. As a Nurgle player i won't likely buy that thing ever (though i have seen a great nurgle conversion of it.).

That's my issue with the existing Chaos super heavies. They're either Khorne specific (mower, brass scorpion) or overly expensive (titans, thunderhawk) There isn't really anything at the lower end of the price spectrum for the other gods, unless you're running CD rather than CSM. Though, Tzeentch is in a slightly better boat, as the scorpion does vaguely fit with the Egyptian theme for the Sons.

I'm still a mix of doubtful and hopeful that we'll have a viable way to use these in a CSM army (other than traitor guard, knight, CSM allies).

looking over the warhammer 40k wiki entry on knights it's also worth noting that chaos has their own knight varients. specificly the "Deamon Knights of Slaanish"

they have 3 types, and 2 of them are similer eneugh I could see GW releasing a duel kit down the road.

Yeah, Slaanesh did have some knights added back in the days of epic. Though they're closer to the Eldar ones than the imperial ones in appearance.

Just put in an order for the Khornemower - time for everyone to laugh at me!

 bubber wrote:
Just put in an order for the Khornemower - time for everyone to laugh at me!

Haha! Look at you buying things you like and enjoying your hobby like a sucker!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Video is up on "What's New Today".

February 22nd is the preorder date.

Which means the codex maybe out on the last day for new rules for adepticon. Let's see if they swing the banhammer for the championships on this codex.

Getting popcorn ready

prankster wrote:
Yeah, Slaanesh did have some knights added back in the days of epic. Though they're closer to the Eldar ones than the imperial ones in appearance.

Yeah, they'd be very very differnt from the knights here, as well as differnt from the Lord of skulls. they'd be mobile weapons platform deamon engines I suspect

I believe they were called Hell Knights/Daemon Knights (and they had different variants) and they were the approximate Chaos counter to Imperial Knights back in the epic days.

Not sure how they'd be different from the Imperial ones other than being chaos empowered. The back story for them was that an Imperial governor had a household of Knights on retainer (palace guard) and had enjoyed hunting his planet's indigenous big-game species to the point of being obsessed with it. His household guard of Knights participated in these events and the obsession was shared with the pilots to where Slaanesh had taken root amongst them. They then hunted their own PDF units and anything they could to the point of all-out civil war.

I'd have no problem if they brought them back.....

 ThirdUltra wrote:
I believe they were called Hell Knights/Daemon Knights (and they had different variants) and they were the approximate Chaos counter to Imperial Knights back in the epic days.

Not sure how they'd be different from the Imperial ones other than being chaos empowered. The back story for them was that an Imperial governor had a household of Knights on retainer (palace guard) and had enjoyed hunting his planet's indigenous big-game species to the point of being obsessed with it. His household guard of Knights participated in these events and the obsession was shared with the pilots to where Slaanesh had taken root amongst them. They then hunted their own PDF units and anything they could to the point of all-out civil war.

I'd have no problem if they brought them back.....

See above for link!! http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Knight

Hard for me to justify a model this expensive that is "only" 1/4 to 1/5 of my army.

I can get entire playable forces in other games for the same price. It's a cool model though, just not for me.

 bubber wrote:

 ThirdUltra wrote:
I believe they were called Hell Knights/Daemon Knights (and they had different variants) and they were the approximate Chaos counter to Imperial Knights back in the epic days.

Not sure how they'd be different from the Imperial ones other than being chaos empowered. The back story for them was that an Imperial governor had a household of Knights on retainer (palace guard) and had enjoyed hunting his planet's indigenous big-game species to the point of being obsessed with it. His household guard of Knights participated in these events and the obsession was shared with the pilots to where Slaanesh had taken root amongst them. They then hunted their own PDF units and anything they could to the point of all-out civil war.

I'd have no problem if they brought them back.....

See above for link!! http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Knight

Interesting, however, I still have the old WD when these made their first appearance. I'd have to go back through it to match the details of it to the link. Most of what I posted was from memory from back then (circa 1994-95).

 Red Viper wrote:
Hard for me to justify a model this expensive that is "only" 1/4 to 1/5 of my army.

I can get entire playable forces in other games for the same price. It's a cool model though, just not for me.

I'm sure they could make more money overall by bringing the price down and selling many times the number they will at £80 or thereabouts. The knight isn't that big, it's smaller and less complex a kit than many varied plastic models at half the price. But they seem to want to keep prices way up and move less stock.

If it is price like the Khornemower then that's $170 AUD... Damn GW, you be greedy like always...



Well, I see no one running a Knight list unless they get the Knights for a seriously large discount...

 Red Viper wrote:
Hard for me to justify a model this expensive that is "only" 1/4 to 1/5 of my army.

I can get entire playable forces in other games for the same price. It's a cool model though, just not for me.

It's GW.

Paying $140 for 1/4 of your army is actually a pretty good deal when your average army costs you $1000+

Vaguely on topic... I saw a Wraithknight next to a Stompa for the first time the other day. It's laugh out loud funny that they are the same price. The Stompa is three times the size of the Wraithknight in terms of bulk.

The Khornemower shouldn't have been given a "fluffy" points value of 888 points.

Probably should have been weaker and around half of that if they wanted people to buy one (or more)

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Still Hope that the Freeblades list permits to take them with CSM...

That's what I'm waiting for as well *drools*

Anyone know what the DImensions are? How tall and WIde? Is this more like the lord of skulls or is it bigger closer to a Stompa! wanna Loot one but needs to "as is" for either a Mega-Dread or Stompa.....

I've given up on 40k, I went to a tournament where a player bought a Skypad, a Riptide and one of those stupid Eldar Super knights....He put all his troops on the skypad and then put the Tau and Eldar big models behind them on the pad.

5 games, he tabled 4 different good armies with good generals, and then tabled another "Cheese-mong army" an entire army of actual Wolves led by Canis, it was like 90 wolves or something stupid.

All I can say....Load of Bollocks. Allies has made 6th stupid, just cherry pick the "Good Units" and balls to the fluff. It makes uber-power gamers cream themselves.

I cannot see these Knights as anything other than just another reason to have another UBER unit in a force, allied away. Don't even start me on the stupidity, of the Skull Lord £100 model which can be used by any force....WTF!!!! Next it will be Psykers for Black Templars, or pleasant Dark Eldar, Intelligent orks.

40k has massively lost it's way, I'm playing 30k pretty much all the time now, it's far more engaging and far more fluffy. Plus I can still use these Knights! I literally haven't a clue with 40k and all the addition rule books and crap. Escalation, apocalypse, Strong Hold Assault, the core rules, + codexes, I need an extra bag just for the books. I've disengaged so much from GW, I add a little bit to my FW army now and again, and I bought the Big books, but otherwise I won't be buying 40k anymore. I only play 30k because there are like 16 of us in my gaming group each with a different Legion force, so it makes life interesting, plus we were doing this back when it was the BOLS Heresy Rules.

Unsure if posted yet, but heres another size ref picture