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Well, everyone has an opinion.

Some people like BTs. Some people thing there are too many Marine armies. Some people like Forge World. Some people hate Forge World.

If you vote 'yes' or 'no', please expand on your reasoning.

No.

Too many people refuse to play against Forge World models, I'd rather not have my army stuck in that, thankyouverymuch. Plus, there's already GW models for Crusaders, Sword Brethren, and Special Characters.

So you'd say 'no' to an Imperial Armour book that expands on their rules because GW make most of their models?

 Furyou Miko wrote:
So you'd say 'no' to an Imperial Armour book that expands on their rules because GW make most of their models?

No, I'd say no to an Imperial Armour book because it'd shut the door on a potential supplement that wouldn't require me to fight tooth and nail in order to be allowed to play it.

Honestly I think Black Templars could get FW the legitimization they need (deserve) so that the morons Walrus is referring to could untwist their panties and get back to having fun

No. Why should they get FW treatment above any other faction in the game?

"Be given to," no.

But it'd be cool if they expanded on the Black Templars by making a campaign similar to Vraks or Badab that was the various Wars of Armageddon. Would give them lots of extra cool stuff to produce for BTs and IG which they already love, and Orks, and possibly some Eldar stuff.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Well, everyone has an opinion.

Some people like BTs. Some people thing there are too many Marine armies. Some people like Forge World. Some people hate Forge World.

If you vote 'yes' or 'no', please expand on your reasoning.

Why? They're just fine in the Space Marine Codex.

<--- Black Templar player.

Templars deserve TLC. FW would give it to them.

But then, there's the implications of some people not allowing FW in games.

But FW Black Templars would be some sweet models.

I'd vote yes, simply because BTs would have the option of playing (likely better) FW rules, or using the C:SM rules.

I never hear from these people who won't allow FW, it seems they don't frequent forums , id like to hear a debate since im not sure what there argument is considering things like knights are now 40k.

 Elgrun wrote:
I never hear from these people who won't allow FW, it seems they don't frequent forums , id like to hear a debate since im not sure what there argument is considering things like knights are now 40k.

Do a word search in the Tournament area for Forge World. You'll find 2 threads in the last year over 40 pages.

Sure, they could expand it and make them cooler.

Black Templer players would still have the black templer codex/rules so would not lose out on anything. In addition to that, they would have a second "codex" ruleset that they could also choose to play that had extra FW stuff. Effectively giving them 2 different armies with the same set of models.

FW models are always gladly welcomed by players. Even if a gaming group will deny the use of FW rules, players could use the GW codex rules and still be able to use the FW models that match.

I voted "yes", but only on the condition that "Black Templars" is changed to "Armageddon Wars".

That way, we could see a small series of books with cool campaigns in them, and Templars, Blood Angels, Salamanders, Space Wolves, World Eaters, Steel Legion (!) and Orks can all get some love.

I'd love to see a duel piece in the style of their HH character series between Yarrick and Ghazzy.

Sadly Forge World isn't given over too much for doing "historical campaigns".

Badab was their first real attempt at it, and of course we've got the Horus Heresy but I've tried pushing them for awhile to do more historical stuff and they flat-out said that unless it was really old or has potential for expanding/fleshing out the historical aspect they're not interested.

A 2-book 3rd War for Armageddon series from FW would be super sweet!

 Anfauglir wrote:
I voted "yes", but only on the condition that "Black Templars" is changed to "Armageddon Wars".

That way, we could see a small series of books with cool campaigns in them, and Templars, Blood Angels, Salamanders, Space Wolves, World Eaters, Steel Legion (!) and Orks can all get some love.

I'd love to see a duel piece in the style of their HH character series between Yarrick and Ghazzy.

Armageddon?

The Templars at Armageddon were outnumbered by (and worked as support to) the Sisters. Armageddon isn't a good choice for a Templar-focussed campaign, lol.

That said, Armageddon would be nice. I prefer it when they add new historical battles rather than rehashing the ones we know about, though.

A Templar Crusade into a new, uncompliant region of space would be good, for example.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Anfauglir wrote:
I voted "yes", but only on the condition that "Black Templars" is changed to "Armageddon Wars".

That way, we could see a small series of books with cool campaigns in them, and Templars, Blood Angels, Salamanders, Space Wolves, World Eaters, Steel Legion (!) and Orks can all get some love.

I'd love to see a duel piece in the style of their HH character series between Yarrick and Ghazzy.

Armageddon?

The Templars at Armageddon were outnumbered by (and worked as support to) the Sisters. Armageddon isn't a good choice for a Templar-focussed campaign, lol.

Not if you count the Templars in space. Remember that High Marshal Helbrecht launched a major BT crusade at Armageddon, leading the fleet in orbit. The Salamanders, Black Templars, Celestial Lions, and some other chapters were each assigned a city/hive area to protect and deployed a company's worth of marines. In space, well, you can read the following deployments:

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Imperial Guard and Armageddon Planetary Defence Forces

4th Armageddon Steel Legion
8th Armageddon Super Heavy Tank Company
13th Penal Legion, "The Last Chancers"
14th Savlar Chem Dogs
34th Armageddon Steel Legion
34th Armageddon Steel Legion Armoured Division
51st Armageddon Steel Legion
61st Armageddon Steel Legion
69th Armageddon Steel Legion
91st Armageddon Steel Legion
93rd Armageddon Steel Legion
101st Armageddon Steel Legion
121st Armageddon Steel Legion
121st Armageddon Steel Legion Armoured Division
141st Armageddon Steel Legion
199th Armageddon Steel Legion Armoured Division
273rd Armageddon Steel Legion
276th Armageddon Steel Legion
703rd Armageddon Steel Legion Storm Trooper Division
Armageddon Ash Wastes Militia, 5 Regiments
Armageddon Command Guard, 5 Companies
Armageddon Hive Militia, 120 Regiments
Armageddon Jungle Fighters Regime, 1 Regiment
Armageddon Ork Hunters, 5 Regiments
Armageddon Steel Legion, 25 Regiments
Arphista Penal Legion
Asgardian Rangers, 2 Regiments
Cadian Shock Troops, 15 Regiments
Catachan Jungle Fighters, 3 Regiments
Death Korps of Krieg, 5 Regiments
Elysian Drop Troopers, 14 Squadrons
Helsreach Dockers' Union
Helsreach Ganger Militia
Jopall Indentured Squadron, 17 Battalions
Krourk Ogryn Auxilia, 2 Regiments
Minervan Tank Legion, 3 Legions
Monglor Ogryn Auxilia, 2 Regiments
Mordian Iron Guard, 6 Regiments
Noctan Strike Force, 6 Regiments
Ocanon Phalanx Troopers, 11 Regiments
Pyran Dragoons, 10 Regiments
Savlar Chem-Dogs, 6 Regiments
Savlar Chem-Riders, 2 Regiments
Semtexian Bombardiers, 9 Batteries
Storm Troopers, 18 Companies
Zouvan Skirmishers, 4 Brigades

Imperial Navy and Adeptus Astartes Fleet Elements

5082nd Imperial Naval Wing
14 Adeptus Astartes Battle Barges
103 Adeptus Astartes Strike Cruisers
Battlefleet Armageddon
43 Bomber Strike Wings
36 Squadrons of Escorts
6 first-line Cruiser Squadrons
9 second-line Cruiser Squadrons
12 Light Cruiser Squadrons
67 Interceptor Strike Wings
Monitor Station Dante
Monitor Station Mannheim
Monitor Station Yarrick
Archangel - Defiant-class Light Cruiser
Forebearer - Defiant-class Light Cruiser
Ex Cathedra - Armageddon-class Battlecruiser
Hammer of Light - Armageddon-class Battlecruiser
Thunderchild - Armageddon-class Battlecruiser
Green Lake - Oberon-class Battleship
His Will - Apocalypse-class Battleship
Leonid - Endeavour-class Light Cruiser
Triumph - Apocalypse-class Battleship
Inomine Veritas - Emperor-class Battleship
The Eternal Crusader - Black Templars Flagship (Battle Barge)
Light of Purity - Black Templars Battle Barge
Majesty - Black Templars Strike Cruiser
Night's Vigil - Black Templars Battle Barge
Sanctis Legate - Endeavour-class Light Cruiser
Serpentine - Salamanders Battle Barge
Sword of Voss - Endeavour-class Light Cruiser
Vulkan's Wrath - Salamanders Strike Cruiser

Adeptus Astartes

Angels of Fire, 7 Companies
Angels of Redemption, 4 Companies
Angels of Vigilance, 6 Companies
Angels Porphyr, 8 Companies
Black Dragons, 9 Companies
Black Templars, 3 Crusades
Blood Angels, 1 Company
Celebrants, entire Chapter deployed
Celestial Lions, entire Chapter deployed
Exorcists, entire Chapter deployed
Flesh Tearers, 5 Companies
Immortal Hearts, 1 Company
Iron Champions, 7 Companies
Marines Malevolent, 2 Companies
Mortifactors, entire Chapter deployed
Omega Marines, entire Chapter deployed
Raptors, 5 Companies
Red Scorpions, 1 Company
Relictors, entire Chapter deployed
Salamanders, 6 Companies
Silver Skulls, 7 Companies
Sons of Guilliman, 6 Companies
Space Wolves, 5 Great Companies
Storm Giants, 5 Companies
Storm Lords, 2 Brotherhoods
White Scars, 3 Brotherhoods
Widowmakers, 1 Company

Forces of the Inquisition

Ordo Hereticus
Ordo Xenos
Deathwatch Space Marines, 2 Kill-teams

Forces of the Adeptus Mechanicus

Archimedes Rex - Ark Mechanicus-class Battleship
Centurio Ordinatus, 4 Ordinatii
Legio Crucius, Demi-Legio
Legio Ignatum, Legio
Legio Invigilata, Legio
Legio Magna, Quarto-Legio
Legio Metallica, Demi-Legio
Legio Tempesto, Legio
Legio Victorum, Legio
Skitarii, 14 Regiments

Forces of the Ecclesiarchy

Order of Our Martyred Lady, 3 Companies
Order of the Argent Shroud, 7 Companies

Forces of the Adeptus Arbites

20 Adeptus Arbites Armageddon Precincts
12 Punitive Battalions

Forces of the Departmento Munitorum

Departmento Munitorum Engineer Corps, 2 Corps
Departmento Munitorum Pioneer Corps, 1 Corps

Forces of the Officio Assassinorum

Officio Assassinorum Agents (Numbers Classified)

Forces of the Officio Sabatorum

34 Agents of the Sabatorum

Forces of the Templars Psykologis

15 Disruption Squads

No, FW already does enough Marine based things.

 kronk wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Well, everyone has an opinion.

Some people like BTs. Some people thing there are too many Marine armies. Some people like Forge World. Some people hate Forge World.

If you vote 'yes' or 'no', please expand on your reasoning.

Why? They're just fine in the Space Marine Codex.

<--- Black Templar player.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Let me catch my breath........

Wait.....were you serious?

For models, just hold on for a couple more months and you will see Templar models released from Forge World.

Rules, I strongly suspect that most of the Imperial Armour books coming out in the future will actually focus a lot more on the Xenos side of things with use of existing IG and Astartes factions (DKOK, Elysians, Minotaurs, Charnel Guard etc). The Horus Heresy is pumping out more than enough Marine stuff to keep them busy atm.

Forgeworld exclusive armies irk me, since they're too expensive to reasonably play without proxies. I like it the way they are: just another chapter of Marines. I hope Blood Angels and Dark Angels have the same thing happen to them.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
The Templars at Armageddon were outnumbered by (and worked as support to) the Sisters.

And? So have FW include SoB as well. The more the merrier.

Armageddon isn't a good choice for a Templar-focussed campaign, lol.

I disagree. I think there is a palpably strong association within the 40k community between Black Templars and the Third War for Armageddon, and for good reason.

 Anfauglir wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
The Templars at Armageddon were outnumbered by (and worked as support to) the Sisters.

And? So have FW include SoB as well. The more the merrier.

Armageddon isn't a good choice for a Templar-focussed campaign, lol.

I disagree. I think there is a palpably strong association within the 40k community between Black Templars and the Third War for Armageddon, and for good reason.

I would love for Sisters to become a FW product line, if FW started producing Sisters in 10-model boxes.

It sure would be a hell of a lot better than what GW main wants us to pay.

Voted no, because the last thing FW needs is even more boring marine armies to support. The Heresy marines have already driven out enough of their non-marine stuff as it is. Not that GW needs more marines either, BT are just fine as a couple options in C:SM and some upgrade sprues.

Never understood why they ever got a separate codex anyway, frankly they're better off where they are now. They still maintain a degree of 'snowflake' in that they get as much as they do despite being a non-first founding chapter, but they don't clog up the release schedule and get a chance to see updates.

Also completely agree with Peregrine that the last thing we need from FW is yet another line of marines, (all the marines need is a Mk VIII kit still, then they can get to work on the Battle for Blackfire Pass so I've got an excuse to buy goblins).

Technically, they are a 1st Founding Chapter. They are Imperial Fists who have never stopped fighting the Great Crusade. They are more IF than the current IF are.

I wouldn't mind for a specific army list like they sometimes do in the campaign books they release. I like the FW army lists though and think they would do a lot better than GW does with it's supplements.

I would also like to see the FW books sold digitally. I don't think that FW will get the widespread use it deserves until they either stock them on GW shelves or sell they digitally.

 Psienesis wrote:
Technically, they are a 1st Founding Chapter. They are Imperial Fists who have never stopped fighting the Great Crusade. They are more IF than the current IF are.

No, spiritually and effectively they are a first founding chapter. Technically they are second founding, because their name is different. :p

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
So you'd say 'no' to an Imperial Armour book that expands on their rules because GW make most of their models?

No, I'd say no to an Imperial Armour book because it'd shut the door on a potential supplement that wouldn't require me to fight tooth and nail in order to be allowed to play it.

Except the BRB is clear that FW units are completely legitimate. Really, it's not a case of them having a problem, you just point out that they are actually the ones breaking the rules, and only have a right to complain if you bring illegal units.

People have the right to spend their afternoon how they wish. If they think your Forgeworld models are too OP, even if they aren't, that's their right to not want to play. Sucks when people are that closeminded but whatever. I'd rather play against someone fielding a Contemptor Dreadnought than a Riptide, but I guess I'm the weird one.