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 GuardStrider wrote:
I wonder which will come first, GW turning 40k unplayable or whining turning Dakka unreadable.

40k already is unplayable unless you modify it extensibly.

Not really. Not at all in fact.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
IDK, I think the Imperial Knight Titan looks awesome, though apparently it isn't a very well thought out, flexible kit.

(You can get three better Gundam kits for the same price. But let's not moan and whinge™ about prices.)

Oh, agreed on both counts, the Knight gets a free pass, that is an awesome model, and I currently have one half done on my painting desk. (Which, thanks to good friends with contacts I didn't pay anything like RRP, got to love quid pro quo arrangements!)

I've had to essentially ignore the instructions and butcher some of the bits in order to retain any hint of poseability though, and I really wasn't prepared to undertake the work needed to avoid the "one foot forward" pose on the legs - but then, I'd have done something similar anyway, so it would have been diminishing returns.

But the IK is somewhat of an outlier. I'm aware I come off as a critic, but I have repeatedly stated, and firmly believe, that I take all that GW do and release on a case by case basis, I'm positive when I feel positive about something, and critical when I don't. In that context, I genuinely haven't wanted to own anything else that GW have made in at least a year, to my recollection, and if I have, I've generally found something from a third party that's appropriate that I prefer.

I'll openly, and happily, admit that this couldn't be a more personal opinion if I tried, but, for me, GW talk the talk of being the best, but have regularly failed at walking the walk pretty consistently, perhaps as far back as the DE release.



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PhantomViper wrote:

 GuardStrider wrote:
I wonder which will come first, GW turning 40k unplayable or whining turning Dakka unreadable.

40k already is unplayable unless you modify it extensibly.

Co'tor Shas wrote:Not really. Not at all in fact.

Agreed, 40K is playable, in as much as two people can have a game. It isn't a video game with a bug that prevents it booting or anything.

I do wonder how much of this is down to the players mentally filling in the blanks and making logical assumptions though, wouldn't want to try it, but I would be interested in the results of a game where both players played absolutely strict, mindless RAW with no deviation from exactly how the rules were written.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Not really. Not at all in fact.

Actually, it pretty much is to anyone who doesn't play with a known group of people. But it's always been that way, because GW doesn't care beyond selling gak.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Not really. Not at all in fact.

Yes really. Pretty much in fact.

I'm willing to bet that you've never had a single game of 6th without ANY change or restriction to the rules of the game.

PhantomViper wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Not really. Not at all in fact.

Yes really. Pretty much in fact.

I'm willing to bet that you've never had a single game of 6th without ANY change or restriction to the rules of the game.

I have, every single game I have played in 6th.

Most people have never played any game without a change or restriction to the rules of the game (often unknowingly). That's a pretty high bar for making something playable.

PhantomViper wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Not really. Not at all in fact.

Yes really. Pretty much in fact.

I'm willing to bet that you've never had a single game of 6th without ANY change or restriction to the rules of the game.

I have. Quite a few in fact.

Can I have my money now, I won the bet?

Of course you can, just as soon as you give me proof that you are telling the truth.

Sure. Now I just have to go to portugal and play a game.... I don't think it will be worth it .

PhantomViper wrote:
Of course you can, just as soon as you give me proof that you are telling the truth.

What's the point of leveling accusations you can't prove only to demand proof you can't get?

PhantomViper wrote:
Of course you can, just as soon as you give me proof that you are telling the truth.

Isn't it the accuser's job to offer proof? It was said that the game was unplayable. Offer proof or Warhammer gets off on acquittal.

I came here because I wanted to talk an learn more about 40k.
I don't really mind people complaining about something, but it is getting out of hand here on Dakka. On other forums it isn't nearly as bad. Come on people, grow up.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Sure. Now I just have to go to portugal and play a game.... I don't think it will be worth it .

No you don't, you just have to make a full battle report where you and your opponent use the entirety of the 40k 6th edition rules without any modification.

Even I, who have complained and moaned about chaos and the things that have been done to it have been avoiding the forum a bit more because it's gotten quite negative.

PhantomViper wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Sure. Now I just have to go to portugal and play a game.... I don't think it will be worth it .

No you don't, you just have to make a full battle report where you and your opponent use the entirety of the 40k 6th edition rules without any modification.

Sure, my 500 point tau against my brother 500 point eldar.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Of course you can, just as soon as you give me proof that you are telling the truth.

What's the point of leveling accusations you can't prove only to demand proof you can't get?

What accusation are you talking of? I know you white knight types like to play the persecution card at every excuse but I didn't accuse anyone of anything, I just made a claim and one that is perfectly viable to prove.

Aaaand name calling. /slowclap.

I think purport would be a better word.

 pretre wrote:
Aaaand name calling. /slowclap.

So now 'white knight' is name calling?!

Well, I guess I'll rest my case on the 'persecution card' thing as well...

PhantomViper wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Aaaand name calling. /slowclap.

So now 'white knight' is name calling?!

Well, I guess I'll rest my case on the 'persecution card' thing as well...

What do you think? You are applying a derogatory name to someone. That is, by definition, name calling. Resting your case is probably the best idea.

PhantomViper wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Of course you can, just as soon as you give me proof that you are telling the truth.

What's the point of leveling accusations you can't prove only to demand proof you can't get?

What accusation are you talking of? I know you white knight types like to play the persecution card at every excuse but I didn't accuse anyone of anything, I just made a claim and one that is perfectly viable to prove.

I'm no "White Knight". I'm pretty sure calling GW's Board of Directors "the Idiots In Charge" is not a white knight move.

You essentially accused someone of never playing the game without modifying it, and then asked for proof when they disagreed with you. You can't really prove that no one plays the game unmodified, and really demanding they prove it to you is pretty childish.

Besides, with my preference for playing Sisters and the Ecclesiarchy as a whole should you be accusing me of being a Bishop instead?

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I came here because I wanted to talk an learn more about 40k.
I don't really mind people complaining about something, but it is getting out of hand here on Dakka. On other forums it isn't nearly as bad. Come on people, grow up.

Pretty much my opinion, everyone is aware of GW and 40k fallings, but the sheer amount of whining on Dakka is absurd. Yes it's important to discuss it, but it should stay on a couple respective threads and not spill all over Dakka all the time infecting half of the threads on the boards, it ruins the experience of plenty of users who just want to discuss what they like.

Some people do still enjoy 40K, there is no need to have on 40K boards an army of "stop liking what I don't like" preachers spouting utter nonsense like the game is unplayable.

The problem is the white knights come in and dismiss all complaints even those that are 100% valid, they just wave their hands and declare all's well.

Companies don't get this much bile if they are doing everything right.

 Psienesis wrote:
You should try reading the Tactics forums, which is where you will find the content you're looking for.

Me, I come here for the discussions, the background fluff, the debates, the exchange of ideas.

But if this is your "I'm out" post? Don't let the door hit you in your sanctimonious rear armor.

Case in point why he should leave!

hobojebus wrote:
The problem is the white knights come in and dismiss all complaints even those that are 100% valid, they just wave their hands and declare all's well.

Companies don't get this much bile if they are doing everything right.

One problem is when either side takes extreme views of the situation.
Another problem is when people pigeon-hole other people as 'haters' or 'white knights'.

 Soteks Prophet wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
You should try reading the Tactics forums, which is where you will find the content you're looking for.

Me, I come here for the discussions, the background fluff, the debates, the exchange of ideas.

But if this is your "I'm out" post? Don't let the door hit you in your sanctimonious rear armor.

Case in point why he should leave!

Now I don't quite think that is fair Soteks. The OP is just as dismissive as this comment, if not exceptionally more so. For God's sake, it's comparing our conversations on here to throwing poop at each other. Plus the "inb4" stuff is not conducive of any sort of civil discussion.

 pretre wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
The problem is the white knights come in and dismiss all complaints even those that are 100% valid, they just wave their hands and declare all's well.

Companies don't get this much bile if they are doing everything right.

One problem is when either side takes extreme views of the situation.
Another problem is when people pigeon-hole other people as 'haters' or 'white knights'.

This. Both sides lend themselves to extremism and its not helpful at all. There are those that have said GW is great, the rules don't need changing and nothing is wrong. There are also others who think that everything GW does is horrible and the end of the Hobby.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Not really. Not at all in fact.

Really you play 40K 100% by the books, WOW.