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I was told yesterday by a GW manager (that knows I'm waiting off 7th until a mini book comes along) that DV was no longer available for restocking/order, in a "take what you can from that" kinda way, seems he's been scooped in a big way by this!

He did have the objective cards that everyone was in stock on Thursday for about 5 minutes and is expecting more. Saw a stack of them at Wayland today as well.

Yeah, the objective cards seem fairly widely available now, I caught my local guy OOS last week, but he's got one put by for me on Tues when I'll next be passing.

MWHistorian wrote:Does a new Wolf dex mean you'll have some characters removed and some of your weaker units nerfed further?

Paradigm wrote:All our characters have models, so I think they're safe (and if we're lucky, Ragnar will get a new model to replace the old one). To be honest, it's the new unit that has be worried, it'll either be a flier that doesn't fit the fluff or some kind of giant Wolf Knight.

Almost certainly... if Ragnar goes up in points, I'm going to flip. PLEASE GW, make the SW book as good as the SM Codex.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

MWHistorian wrote:Does a new Wolf dex mean you'll have some characters removed and some of your weaker units nerfed further?

Paradigm wrote:All our characters have models, so I think they're safe (and if we're lucky, Ragnar will get a new model to replace the old one). To be honest, it's the new unit that has be worried, it'll either be a flier that doesn't fit the fluff or some kind of giant Wolf Knight.

Almost certainly... if Ragnar goes up in points, I'm going to flip. PLEASE GW, make the SW book as good as the SM Codex.

Just remember, having a model does not make you safe from getting cut. Marbo and Al'rahem both had models and are both gone. Chenkov had a very clear stand in as well.

NOTHING IS SAFE!

 Happygrunt wrote:
Just remember, having a model does not make you safe from getting cut. Marbo and Al'rahem both had models and are both gone. Chenkov had a very clear stand in as well.

'Stand in'...? Chenkov had a model.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

MWHistorian wrote:Does a new Wolf dex mean you'll have some characters removed and some of your weaker units nerfed further?

Paradigm wrote:All our characters have models, so I think they're safe (and if we're lucky, Ragnar will get a new model to replace the old one). To be honest, it's the new unit that has be worried, it'll either be a flier that doesn't fit the fluff or some kind of giant Wolf Knight.

Almost certainly... if Ragnar goes up in points, I'm going to flip. PLEASE GW, make the SW book as good as the SM Codex.

What does everyone have? What don't they use? Expect what everyone has, to go up in points, and what nobody uses to go down in points.

So basically what ever you have now will be broken and you will be expected to buy new minis.

 Paradigm wrote:
All our characters have models, so I think they're safe (and if we're lucky, Ragnar will get a new model to replace the old one). To be honest, it's the new unit that has be worried, it'll either be a flier that doesn't fit the fluff or some kind of giant Wolf Knight.

I've heard salty rumors of a massive Fenrisian beast.

Random Dude wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
All our characters have models, so I think they're safe (and if we're lucky, Ragnar will get a new model to replace the old one). To be honest, it's the new unit that has be worried, it'll either be a flier that doesn't fit the fluff or some kind of giant Wolf Knight.

I've heard salty rumors of a massive Fenrisian beast.

We solved that one months ago....

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What does everyone have? What don't they use? Expect what everyone has, to go up in points, and what nobody uses to go down in points.

So basically what ever you have now will be broken and you will be expected to buy new minis.

None of my planned purchases for my IG and Ork armies changed with their new codex release. People like to trot these truisms out, but I'm not seeing much basis in reality for that particular comment with recent books.

I don't think anyone is leaping overthemselves to buy a Gorkanaught because of it's unimaginable power. Chimeras were 'nerfed' but then 7th made them scoring.

Looking forward to seeing how this set turns out.

The method that's worked for me is saving money until a new codex comes out, and then buying everything I could possibly need for a list. With that method I don't have to buy anything new for close to four years. Of course new editions might start coming out every two years.

Quite, one of the things I apparently see eye-to-eye on with GW is the idea that an army should be a collection of models you love.

If you're unlucky enough to start an army just before an update or edition change and the path you've chosen to follow initially gets nerfed, well, that's a raw deal, but once you've got some years of service under your belt, surely you'll have a rounded enough selection to at least partially absorb any swings in power level?

The grey plastic bandwagoneers can cry all they like, they get what they deserve.

A SW vs Orks box set is right up my alley.

Could see myself getting a few of these.

 insaniak wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
Just remember, having a model does not make you safe from getting cut. Marbo and Al'rahem both had models and are both gone. Chenkov had a very clear stand in as well.

'Stand in'...? Chenkov had a model.

I thought it was a "Valhalla commander" that just happened to have all the same equipment? I never really played him, so I may be wrong.

 azreal13 wrote:
Quite, one of the things I apparently see eye-to-eye on with GW is the idea that an army should be a collection of models you love.

If you're unlucky enough to start an army just before an update or edition change and the path you've chosen to follow initially gets nerfed, well, that's a raw deal, but once you've got some years of service under your belt, surely you'll have a rounded enough selection to at least partially absorb any swings in power level?

The grey plastic bandwagoneers can cry all they like, they get what they deserve.

Grey plastic bandwagonners. Just brilliant. We have a few of those at my local store, he got a tau army when they were released, then space marines when they were, and is now starting an eldar or AM ;0(can't remember which). But nothing is painted. His broadside is sprayed silver and has been for almost a year, the rest is as you guessed it, grey. He may as well do what I saw one guy do once and this is 100% truth playing with pieces of paper with units written on them!

How dare someone enjoy the game in a different way!

Yes how dare they!

 pretre wrote:
How dare someone enjoy the game in a different way!

Not what I'm saying.

If someone decides to approach the game that way because they enjoy it, that's fine.

To approach the game that way, and then complain when your very specific list is no longer relevant when the book is updated, the edition changes or another army gets updated and hard counters it, that's my issue.

If you're going to spend your hobby funds in pursuit of the latest, most efficient, most powerful army build, more power to you, but accept that also makes you the most vulnerable to changes and the most in need of regular updating and take it on the chin when it happens.

James811 wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Quite, one of the things I apparently see eye-to-eye on with GW is the idea that an army should be a collection of models you love.

If you're unlucky enough to start an army just before an update or edition change and the path you've chosen to follow initially gets nerfed, well, that's a raw deal, but once you've got some years of service under your belt, surely you'll have a rounded enough selection to at least partially absorb any swings in power level?

The grey plastic bandwagoneers can cry all they like, they get what they deserve.

Grey plastic bandwagonners. Just brilliant. We have a few of those at my local store, he got a tau army when they were released, then space marines when they were, and is now starting an eldar or AM ;0(can't remember which). But nothing is painted. His broadside is sprayed silver and has been for almost a year, the rest is as you guessed it, grey. He may as well do what I saw one guy do once and this is 100% truth playing with pieces of paper with units written on them!

Eh, the paper thing is perfectly fine, and actually recommended, if you have an opponent who's winning to go along with it. I've played many fantasy games trying out new lists using only movement trays filled with pennies or a bit of paper with "warriors x20" written on, gradually crossing out and re-writing the number as the game goes along.

James811 wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Quite, one of the things I apparently see eye-to-eye on with GW is the idea that an army should be a collection of models you love.

If you're unlucky enough to start an army just before an update or edition change and the path you've chosen to follow initially gets nerfed, well, that's a raw deal, but once you've got some years of service under your belt, surely you'll have a rounded enough selection to at least partially absorb any swings in power level?

The grey plastic bandwagoneers can cry all they like, they get what they deserve.

Grey plastic bandwagonners. Just brilliant. We have a few of those at my local store, he got a tau army when they were released, then space marines when they were, and is now starting an eldar or AM ;0(can't remember which). But nothing is painted. His broadside is sprayed silver and has been for almost a year, the rest is as you guessed it, grey. He may as well do what I saw one guy do once and this is 100% truth playing with pieces of paper with units written on them!

I don't glue in any weapons until painting the rest of the model first. This makes both the model and the weapon very accessible and forces me to paint before playing.

And watch the arguments begin...

Can anyone second the codex rumors that Logan and Bjorn will be lords of war?

James811 wrote:
And watch the arguments begin...

I saw this post before and after you edited it.

I think you're reading a little too much emotion into people's posts. Especially me and Pretre, we've swum in the same ocean too long to fall out about this.

Anyone notice that the wolf lord/guard battle leader is on a 40mm base, wonder if it's just because of the models stance or if he has runic armour and this is how they are basing 2+ armour now? Just a thought.

 Happygrunt wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
Just remember, having a model does not make you safe from getting cut. Marbo and Al'rahem both had models and are both gone. Chenkov had a very clear stand in as well.

'Stand in'...? Chenkov had a model.

I thought it was a "Valhalla commander" that just happened to have all the same equipment? I never really played him, so I may be wrong.

He was released in 2nd ed as Chenkov, and then they re-released him as a generic commander when most of the Guard special characters disappeared from the codex.


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 Mantle wrote:
Anyone notice that the wolf lord/guard battle leader is on a 40mm base, wonder if it's just because of the models stance or if he has runic armour and this is how they are basing 2+ armour now? Just a thought.

I wouldn't read too much into it. It will just be because his legs are spread too wide for a 25mm base.

 insaniak wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
Just remember, having a model does not make you safe from getting cut. Marbo and Al'rahem both had models and are both gone. Chenkov had a very clear stand in as well.

'Stand in'...? Chenkov had a model.

I thought it was a "Valhalla commander" that just happened to have all the same equipment? I never really played him, so I may be wrong.

He was released in 2nd ed as Chenkov, and then they re-released him as a generic commander when most of the Guard special characters disappeared from the codex.

Ok, so we were talking about the same model. I wouldn't have been playing when he was his special character incarnation, I started late 4th, but I am glad we are on the same page now.

Davor wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

MWHistorian wrote:Does a new Wolf dex mean you'll have some characters removed and some of your weaker units nerfed further?

Paradigm wrote:All our characters have models, so I think they're safe (and if we're lucky, Ragnar will get a new model to replace the old one). To be honest, it's the new unit that has be worried, it'll either be a flier that doesn't fit the fluff or some kind of giant Wolf Knight.

Almost certainly... if Ragnar goes up in points, I'm going to flip. PLEASE GW, make the SW book as good as the SM Codex.

What does everyone have? What don't they use? Expect what everyone has, to go up in points, and what nobody uses to go down in points.

So basically what ever you have now will be broken and you will be expected to buy new minis.

...dammit, I'm going to have to buy a whole new army then. At least I made my Grey Hunters all modular to Blood Claws.

Actually, I didn't have to buy anything new for my IG, so it's not exactly a hard-and-fast rule of thumb (although having been in 40k for so long, I definitely know it's a trend).

If the new SW codex is changed in similar ways to the SM codex I'll be happy. My wish list: Grey Hunters drop in points, Wolf Lords given more wounds and eternal warrior, Knight sized wolf, some sort of flyer defense (maybe flak missiles for Long Fangs).

 azreal13 wrote:
Quite, one of the things I apparently see eye-to-eye on with GW is the idea that an army should be a collection of models you love.

If you're unlucky enough to start an army just before an update or edition change and the path you've chosen to follow initially gets nerfed, well, that's a raw deal, but once you've got some years of service under your belt, surely you'll have a rounded enough selection to at least partially absorb any swings in power level?

The grey plastic bandwagoneers can cry all they like, they get what they deserve.

Kinda sucks though if you painted up a bunch of models you really like and they never leave the shelf because they are useless in game.

Ragnar being dropped is just as absurd as people thinking Ghazghull might get dropped.. Chenkov and Al'Rahem had almost no fluff outside of their own little blurbs..

GW isn't going to drop any of the main SW characters..