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 Daedleh wrote:

 ashikenshin wrote:
more like:

"There are some good things GW is doing"

"No, GW is stupid and they are losing customers because their game is bad"

"much hate"

your analogy doesn't work with toy soldiers

Yes it does. The article makes a bunch of generalisations as reasons to be positive about GW. Posters here rebuked them and pointed out that the generalisations are either wrong, or misrepresented. You accuse them of hating.

Wow, so instead of putting money in improving their rules, GW now started to actually pay people to write fake articles.

Just wow.

yup, good rebuttal there.

 ashikenshin wrote:
yup, good rebuttal there.

I agree, that one's stupid. Also, it would be illegal in the UK. The poster should honestly put their money where their mouth is an report GW to Consumer Direct if they honestly believe that the article is paid for.

 ashikenshin wrote:
Apparently my response was I was screaming "STOP HATING ON GW" while I typed "wow, the hate is strong here"

And you guys didn't read the thread.

It's called poetic license, kind of like the article itself is doing

 Daedleh wrote:

 ashikenshin wrote:
yup, good rebuttal there.

I agree, that one's stupid. Also, it would be illegal in the UK. The poster should honestly put their money where their mouth is an report GW to Consumer Direct if they honestly believe that the article is paid for.

I wrote fake reviews when I was younger for quite some time. Easy, well-paid. Before doing that, I wasn't any less naive than you. It's natural to assume that stuff does not exist when it's "illegal" and confrontation with it is the only way to rebunk those false ideas. Give it time.

It's only recently become illegal in the past few years. It is a bit of a ludicrous jump to claim that GW are now breaking the law. Is there any evidence whatsoever that GW have ever broken the law before?

The guy who wrote the article seems to think fairly highly of GW anyway, so it wouldn't be out of character for him to write a pro-GW article.

Whatever evidence you have of the article being paid would be enough for consumer direct to launch an investigation.

With all the battle reports they post on youtube and their upcoming (?) tournament, I think they are happy with GW.

It amazes me how close-minded some people are. They have such a hard time believing someone could have a different opinion from their own. "There's no way anyone can like GW! They must have been paid off!" Really? Is it so hard to except that someone else thinks differently than you?

 Daedleh wrote:
It's only recently become illegal in the past few years. It is a bit of a ludicrous jump to claim that GW are now breaking the law. Is there any evidence whatsoever that GW have ever broken the law before?

The guy who wrote the article seems to think fairly highly of GW anyway, so it wouldn't be out of character for him to write a pro-GW article.

Whatever evidence you have of the article being paid would be enough for consumer direct to launch an investigation.

I'm not sure if you really did not get post's point or seriously took it literally.

 Random Dude wrote:
It amazes me how close-minded some people are. They have such a hard time believing someone could have a different opinion from their own. "There's no way anyone can like GW! They must have been paid off!" Really? Is it so hard to except that someone else thinks differently than you?

When they warp facts to put a positive spin in it, yeah, it is hard to believe that it's a genuine article from an unbiased person.

Or maybe it is a positive aritlce, but people cant actually believe that someone would write something positive about GW, so they assume there must be sort of angle or catch since no one likes GW obviously, according to the interwebs

Everything GW does is wrong/evil/stupid nothing good coming out of that company.

The anger, the discord, it strengthens me...

Let the hate flow through you Dakka...

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Or maybe it is a positive aritlce, but people cant actually believe that someone would write something positive about GW, so they assume there must be sort of angle or catch since no one likes GW obviously, according to the interwebs

And the interwebs is always a good source for accurate information

Saying GW are not afraid to take risks when they have shown they are increasingly afraid to take risks and take less risks than smaller start ups is warping the facts.

Saying that having a modular expansion system is a good thing for a wargame when practically all wargames have modular expansion systems is misrepresenting the facts.

Saying GW are industry leading (in any other context than they are the monopoly) and innovating is insulting to all the companies who are actually pushing boundaries.

Saying the GW community is great I feel is misrepresenting the facts when you consider we are basically the community and we are divided and cranky as all hell. If you say the community is great simply because it's good to hang out with people... well that applies to any social activity so IMO is misrepresenting things.

I totally agree with the positive things of models, setting and customer service though... I'm just trying to be more realistic about it though.

Perhaps if you disagree with me on those points you should actually address them instead of saying things like "there's so much hate" and implying that saying "Everything GW does is wrong/stupid/evil".


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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Or maybe it is a positive aritlce, but people cant actually believe that someone would write something positive about GW, so they assume there must be sort of angle or catch since no one likes GW obviously, according to the interwebs

 ashikenshin wrote:
Everything GW does is wrong/evil/stupid nothing good coming out of that company.

Or maybe people actually read the points and disagree with them, how abouts you actually read what people have said about the points presented in the article instead of making useless comments like this?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Or maybe people actually read the points and disagree with them, how abouts you actually read what people have said about the points presented in the article instead of making useless comments like this?

So the entire first page of this thread is ok since it agrees with you, but a comment disagreeing with your point of view is suddenly 'useless'?

Anyway for your points.

As for GW not taking risks, they released a brand new edition, thats a fairly big risk considering their history of releases

As for modular expansions, yes thats a good thing for Warhammer specifically, thats nice that other games do it, but Warhammer never has, but it is now, and thats a good thing for warhammer.

Innovation, meh, plastic models are plastic models, unless they make them automated, that would be innovation haha.

The GW community is great....when you dont read the internet. Local communities are still great, as are other people I've met outside the internet. Other than the vocal minority, yea the community is pretty good

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Saying GW are not afraid to take risks when they have shown they are increasingly afraid to take risks and take less risks than smaller start ups is warping the facts.

Saying that having a modular expansion system is a good thing for a wargame when practically all wargames have modular expansion systems is misrepresenting the facts.

ok, this one got me. How does that sentence work, what's the logic behind it. All war-games having a modular expansion suddenly makes it bad? don't understand this one.

Saying GW are industry leading (in any other context than they are the monopoly) and innovating is insulting to all the companies who are actually pushing boundaries.

which ones are those, not being aggressive or anything just want to know which are the companies that are pushing boundaries to check them out.

Saying the GW community is great I feel is misrepresenting the facts when you consider we are basically the community and we are divided and cranky as all hell. If you say the community is great simply because it's good to hang out with people... well that applies to any social activity so IMO is misrepresenting things.

maybe he is talking about his community? my local community is great. Internet is just negative in every way (see: world of warcraft forums)

I totally agree with the positive things of models, setting and customer service though... I'm just trying to be more realistic about it though.

Perhaps if you disagree with me on those points you should actually address them instead of saying things like "there's so much hate" and implying that saying "Everything GW does is wrong/stupid/evil".


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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Or maybe it is a positive aritlce, but people cant actually believe that someone would write something positive about GW, so they assume there must be sort of angle or catch since no one likes GW obviously, according to the interwebs

 ashikenshin wrote:
Everything GW does is wrong/evil/stupid nothing good coming out of that company.

Or maybe people actually read the points and disagree with them, how abouts you actually read what people have said about the points presented in the article instead of making useless comments like this?

It was in jest answering to the other poster.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Or maybe people actually read the points and disagree with them, how abouts you actually read what people have said about the points presented in the article instead of making useless comments like this?

So the entire first page of this thread is ok since it agrees with you, but a comment disagreeing with your point of view is suddenly 'useless'?

I never said there weren't a lot of useless posts in this thread

As for GW not taking risks, they released a brand new edition, thats a fairly big risk considering their history of releases

Care to elaborate on what you mean "considering their history of releases"? From the Chapterhouse case and even just from basic understanding of sales, releasing something new attracts a lot of sales, and since minimal things were changed from 6th, I'm not seeing where the big risk was.

As for modular expansions, yes thats a good thing for Warhammer specifically, thats nice that other games do it, but Warhammer never has, but it is now, and thats a good thing for warhammer.

Ok, I agree with that.

The GW community is great....when you dont read the internet. Local communities are still great, as are other people I've met outside the internet. Other than the vocal minority, yea the community is pretty good

I guess it's just anecdotal then. My experience with the GW community has been that it's dwindling, most my friends have left the game, there's a couple of good people I know who still play, but even in the FLGS's I find the fracturing in the GW community to be quite apparent with many of the people in the stores and clubs playing other games bad mouthing GW for various reasons.

I'm sorry your GW is shrinking, anecdotal stuff, my local one is growing, we're getting new players all the time.

As for the new edition, it was fairly risky at the time, chatter was that it was too soon and people were contemplating rejecting it outright from the moment it was announced since it was 'too soon'. People dont like it when their schedules are messed with.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
I'm sorry your GW is shrinking, anecdotal stuff, my local one is growing, we're getting new players all the time.

Wow, I never knew your local store was the entire company and representative of the world.

 Random Dude wrote:
It amazes me how close-minded some people are. They have such a hard time believing someone could have a different opinion from their own. "There's no way anyone can like GW! They must have been paid off!" Really? Is it so hard to except that someone else thinks differently than you?

yup,

makes me glad I dont have to play with these people as I doubt it would be any fun...

glad they hate 40k, go play some other system and dissapear into it,

#1 reason I am not into several other systems is just the people who keep hating on GW and making comments to the effect of "you are stupid if you like that game"

these people then go on to complain about their own games as well, but only when they lose.

nothing makes me happier then seeing someone quit 40k because its "unbalanced, unfair, and I am an awesome general who should never lose" then seeing them do even worse at WMH's then they did at 40k.

Have we learned nothing from the slew of other threads that the "GW Apologist" crowd gets closed by attacking the "Anti-GW" people and just dismissing us all as whiners?

Maybe that is their best defense. We can't complain if they get all the threads closed.

I like seeing some positivity in the community! Keep these kind of posts coming!

I have a question for all the people with huge collections who say they hate GW. Did you buy all that stuff a long time ago? Cuz if you're still buying GW stuff while complaining at the same time, it doesn't make much sense.

 Random Dude wrote:
I have a question for all the people with huge collections who say they hate GW. Did you buy all that stuff a long time ago? Cuz if you're still buying GW stuff while complaining at the same time, it doesn't make much sense.

I'll answer this when you stop using the "H" word. Deal?

Good luck finding anyone who says they "hate GW" that's very much a label applied to people expressing a critical opinion of GW's actions, regardless of how well founded and supported those criticisms may be, by the "apologists" because as a rule, ad hominem attacks, hand waving and reductum ad absurdum are about all they have in their locker.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Random Dude wrote:
I have a question for all the people with huge collections who say they hate GW. Did you buy all that stuff a long time ago? Cuz if you're still buying GW stuff while complaining at the same time, it doesn't make much sense.

I'll answer this when you stop using the "H" word. Deal?

Fine. People who dislike GW's decisions?

 Random Dude wrote:
I have a question for all the people with huge collections who say they hate GW.

Which would be who, exactly?

A polished turd is still a turd.

 Random Dude wrote:

Coming out with a new edition is a risk. There's a chance everyone will stay with the previous edition, and you lose all the money spent on development.

Less of a risk if you actually engage the community who supports your game, rather than writing it in a vaccuum and hoping for the best...