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2014/08/11 20:35:26
Subject: Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated*
I just updated the OP! Please go to the bottom and read the spoiler thoroughly. I am open to all criticism and ideas so long as they are friendly and constructive. Please note that this is a very rough draft, so rough you can skin your zogging knee on it. Everything is subject to change.
Daggy-Chan wrote: So I'm making a Space Marine chapter. I've seen so many unique color schemes, so many unique chapters like the Lantern Marines, and it's all getting to me. I want
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to make my own chapter, and I want to give it as much lore and backstory as possible.
Sad part is, I'm not sure where to start...
If I'm correct, I should start with the visuals. You know, the color scheme, armor types, unique things about them, like how Dark Angels have robes, Lantern Marines have power lanterns on their back packs, etc.
What I have so far is minimal...
I wanted their colors to revolve around black, mostly. I don't want Black and White as that's Black Templar, or anything too close to the Alfa legion or lantern marines in case I'm called a thief, etc. I wanted something to be unique about them, I really like the idea of different colored eyes from the usual green or red, but again, I dont want anything /too/ close to other custom chapters. I also wanted them to wear Errant chest pieces on their more experienced Astartes, robes, and that really cool flat helmet from the Space Marine game that was sadly not given a name. You know, the one that had the Laurel on the head and had a flat face piece and gak.
If I'm correct again, I should then move onto the weapons and wargear and such, like customized weapons and all that jazz. I wanted them to use power weapons, like power swords and thunder hammers and such, but I wanted them to give their astartes a choice. Ranged or close-combat unit. Ranged would use Combi-bolters (if I'm using this word right) which would be bolters with an extension on the bottom (Like a grenade launcher on modern-day rifles) which I'm still deciding what it will be. Close-Combat units would use mostly power swords, shields, hammers and such.
A special unit that I thought would be an interesting concept was a marine who played music. I don't exactly have it worked out how this will happen, but I thought of something along the lines of one marine in a squad using the interface in his helmet if he has one, to tune his helmet's speakers and microphone (YKnow, the things they use to speak. I'd assume theres a mic and speaker in their helmets) to emulate an instrument like a flute, and the pitch of the instrument or tune, would come from the sound of the marine's breathing and war cries.
Again if I'm correct, I should move onto the traditions and more unique parts about them. Me and my boyfriend came up with some very rough ideas. I want this chapter to revolve around music a little bit (Just incase they fall to Chaos they go to Slaanesh ) So what we came up with was mostly inspired by Lantern Marines. They would sing during battles, sing and chant together, showing off their courage and to tell the enemy they weren't afraid. Their bolters, clanks of melee weaponry, booms of cannons and such would all be referred to as their "song of war". Basically, to them, the sound of their weapons all combined would form a song to them, a song of war, courage and righteousness.
Another tradition would revolve around the Adeptus Astartes' combat knives. I thought it would be really neat if their combat knives were less of weapons and more of ornaments. They would decorate their knives, forge sheathes and blades, handles and such, and put them onto their armor kind of as decoration, or badges.
Sounds simple to make a chapter, right? It's not exactly as easy as I thought. All of these ideas are rough ideas and subject to change, but why am I posting this here of all places?
Because I want help. I want Ideas, but it's not that simple. I think it would be cool if this could be a collaborative effort of multiple people. One person would come up with an idea on this threat, and hopefully someone else would comment on it and add or subtract from it, and I would judge which ideas I like best, or merge them. Sounds fun and cool, right?
So, Dakkanaughts and Battle Brothers, what are your ideas for this chapter? What criticisms do you have? Please go easy on me, my friends! I've never done this before. I'm new to Warhammer 40k's fluff and I thought this would be a good way to get me more in touch with the fluff and lore and such.
When I started this hobby a few years ago, I was in the same path as you are right now: creating something new and fresh, in the name of originality. I dislike copying or using already existing material in a setting which encourages creativity.
The colour scheme was a pain for me too, since there were many popular colours and colour combinations (like the classical primary colours - RGB, and black/white of course). When I went through my favourite colours (indigo/violet, orange and gold), it struck me instantly: there were very rare ORANGE coloured marines! Counting out the Lantern Marines, of course, but their dominant colour would seem to be more like black than orange itself. I noticed Lantern Marines a year later when I already had a bunch of orange dudes in my design table, but it didn't let me down, since the differences were notable.
Here's the reference sheet of my Chapter colour scheme (slight variances DO occur):
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++INFORMATUS MINISCULI: ADEPTUS ASTARTES INSTIGATORII++
Instigators Chapter - - Tenth Founding - - Progenitor: VII Legion (Imperial Fists)
Crusading Chapter - Currently under-manned
Latest recordings indicate a clear deviation from Codex Astartes as an organisation. No detectable Veteran Company - same applies to the Scout Company and Reserve Companies. Speculations arise about a decentralised structure across the companies, each having their own reserves, veterans, and a responsibility of training new neophytes.
High level of Chaplains detected across the battlefield co-operation missions with the other military elements of the Imperium. The "Reclusiam Guard" formation accompanied the acting commander Chaplain. It seems as the Astartes are intensively doctrinated to their Chapter cult of strong faith and Primarch worship.
Combat doctrines bear suicidally fanatic defensive elements. Siege warfare, armoured support, and veteran spearheads visible in the majority of the campaigning methods.
Personal heraldry and honours visible in the form of prayers and seals adorned in the armour.
Chapter seems to have a lacking arsenal in general. No bikes or centurions detected in any encounter, neither a fully operational Mk VII power armour types. An unknown variant is used widely instead (possibly a local manufactorum variant) - resembling an iconic knightly helmet.
I shall proceed monitoring the Chapter for the possibility of traitor activity, as I press on with the more concerning matters in their subsector Galileias.
The hellspawns of the warp shall not take what rightfully belong to Him.
Ave Imperator.
++LOGIC ENGINE MESSAGE: ENTER SIGNATURE? Y++
++LOGIC ENGINE MESSAGE: SIGNED, INQUISITOR ARTHUR MARSK++
++END INFORMATUS++
The Chapter's fluff is ever-evolving, and has already formed a basic backbone of general stuff what makes it stick out of others, and how it connects to the rest of the uncaring universe in the far future.
I highly recommend you to google Astartes Chapter generators, and other forums where people have been throwing this topic ball around for years. I don't mean that you'd pick and choose all desirable things mechanically that sound cool or "fit" to your Chapter, but as an example - a reference, if you will - to see, what the options look like without breaking away from the theme of 40K.
Your current design of the colour scheme looks promising. Even though black and white combination can be seen somewhere, this is a scheme I've never seen before. Keep it up!
I really enjoy your chapter from reading this However, Mine isn't black and white. The Bolter and Chainsword painter is just really bad at making a silver.
Yeah, that's true
"Glory to the Iron father!"
2014/08/11 23:28:42
Subject: Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated*
Daggy-Chan wrote: So guys, what are your thoughts on the Chapter so far?
It sounds good so far.
Have you thought about what sorts of units the Chapter would prefer to use? Are they fully Codex compliant or do they favor anything else than Tactical Squads? Is there any unit they like over others, or are they stacked enough to be able to deploy whatever the situation demands?
One should also think about what level of Inquisitorial seal has been put on their heritage... As you say, many would hesitate to stand beside them if it was actually known. But that's not how the IoM works. The Chapter couldn't be publicly known as inheritors of a Legion gone heretic. An Inquisitor or other powerful figure has probably helped them produce a new identity and set their heritage as "unknown, but service examplary".
2014/08/11 23:53:47
Subject: Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated*
Daggy-Chan wrote: So guys, what are your thoughts on the Chapter so far?
An idea what I've never heard of - which is a bloody good thing! You're good at this!
Their bittersweet situation gives them sympathy without making them a "more special than you" image.
There's a lot of potential in their current background. My head's already spinning around a few stories.
Charging towards the foe loudly and proudly - that's the spirit! Instigators approve!
Innocentia Nihil Probat. Son of Dorn
2014/08/12 09:46:49
Subject: Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated*
Thank you for all of your nice comments! <3 The section that'll take the longest is each character and what they've accomplished, but I promise I'll get to work on it ASAP!
Daggy-Chan wrote: So guys, what are your thoughts on the Chapter so far?
An idea what I've never heard of - which is a bloody good thing! You're good at this!
Their bittersweet situation gives them sympathy without making them a "more special than you" image.
There's a lot of potential in their current background. My head's already spinning around a few stories.
Charging towards the foe loudly and proudly - that's the spirit! Instigators approve!
Yeah, I wanna steer far away from Ultramarine or GK level of Mary Sue by giving the chapter downsides and a sketchy background
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2014/08/12 23:47:28
Subject: Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated*
Daggy-Chan wrote: Thank you for all of your nice comments! <3 The section that'll take the longest is each character and what they've accomplished, but I promise I'll get to work on it ASAP!
Daggy-Chan wrote: So guys, what are your thoughts on the Chapter so far?
An idea what I've never heard of - which is a bloody good thing! You're good at this!
Their bittersweet situation gives them sympathy without making them a "more special than you" image.
There's a lot of potential in their current background. My head's already spinning around a few stories.
Charging towards the foe loudly and proudly - that's the spirit! Instigators approve!
Yeah, I wanna steer far away from Ultramarine or GK level of Mary Sue by giving the chapter downsides and a sketchy background
You should definitely have an 8 pointed star as your chapter badge.....that would be great....
"Glory to the Iron father!"
2014/08/13 02:57:18
Subject: Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated*
Daggy-Chan wrote: Thank you for all of your nice comments! <3 The section that'll take the longest is each character and what they've accomplished, but I promise I'll get to work on it ASAP!
Daggy-Chan wrote: So guys, what are your thoughts on the Chapter so far?
An idea what I've never heard of - which is a bloody good thing! You're good at this!
Their bittersweet situation gives them sympathy without making them a "more special than you" image.
There's a lot of potential in their current background. My head's already spinning around a few stories.
Charging towards the foe loudly and proudly - that's the spirit! Instigators approve!
Yeah, I wanna steer far away from Ultramarine or GK level of Mary Sue by giving the chapter downsides and a sketchy background
You should definitely have an 8 pointed star as your chapter badge.....that would be great....
You filthy heretic, you!
Automatically Appended Next Post: I have updated the OP again! This time I have some progress on their Heraldry and traditions and gak, and I got their Organization section 100% complete for now! Tell me what you guys think!
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2014/08/13 07:37:59
Subject: Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated*
Daggy-Chan wrote: Thank you for all of your nice comments! <3 The section that'll take the longest is each character and what they've accomplished, but I promise I'll get to work on it ASAP!
Daggy-Chan wrote: So guys, what are your thoughts on the Chapter so far?
An idea what I've never heard of - which is a bloody good thing! You're good at this!
Their bittersweet situation gives them sympathy without making them a "more special than you" image.
There's a lot of potential in their current background. My head's already spinning around a few stories.
Charging towards the foe loudly and proudly - that's the spirit! Instigators approve!
Yeah, I wanna steer far away from Ultramarine or GK level of Mary Sue by giving the chapter downsides and a sketchy background
You should definitely have an 8 pointed star as your chapter badge.....that would be great....
You filthy heretic, you!
Automatically Appended Next Post: I have updated the OP again! This time I have some progress on their Heraldry and traditions and gak, and I got their Organization section 100% complete for now! Tell me what you guys think!
Hehe, your Emperor is as filthy as me
I like what you got so far, especially the combi grenade launchers. No SM chapter has that but its unique.
"Glory to the Iron father!"
2014/08/13 10:20:13
Subject: Re:Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated again*
Don't listen to this Lord Tarkin. He lies! The very air he breathes, comes out crooked!
I do like the black and white scheme. I really want to make my own chapter as well but I'm collecting a full company of Ultramarines and Salamanders first. I'm also gonna get 40 Howling Griffons terminators. Yeah.....I'm a little bit of a nut.
Have you come up with a chapter name yet? I really like the background you've got so far, it is very interesting indeed!
Be vigilant, the taint of chaos is always near. There is no mercy for the weak and treacherous.
2014/08/13 17:38:27
Subject: Re:Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated again*
Ultramarine vet wrote: Don't listen to this Lord Tarkin. He lies! The very air he breathes, comes out crooked!
I do like the black and white scheme. I really want to make my own chapter as well but I'm collecting a full company of Ultramarines and Salamanders first. I'm also gonna get 40 Howling Griffons terminators. Yeah.....I'm a little bit of a nut.
Have you come up with a chapter name yet? I really like the background you've got so far, it is very interesting indeed!
I haven't come up with a name yet, I suck at deciding names.
Also, It's black/dark grey and Silver, not white. the Bolter and Chainsword painter (As Tarkin stated previously) sucks at displaying a silver.
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2014/08/13 17:49:12
Subject: Re:Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated again*
Ultramarine vet wrote: Don't listen to this Lord Tarkin. He lies! The very air he breathes, comes out crooked!
I do like the black and white scheme. I really want to make my own chapter as well but I'm collecting a full company of Ultramarines and Salamanders first. I'm also gonna get 40 Howling Griffons terminators. Yeah.....I'm a little bit of a nut.
Have you come up with a chapter name yet? I really like the background you've got so far, it is very interesting indeed!
I haven't come up with a name yet, I suck at deciding names.
Also, It's black/dark grey and Silver, not white. the Bolter and Chainsword painter (As Tarkin stated previously) sucks at displaying a silver.
Want me to give a list?
"Glory to the Iron father!"
2014/08/13 18:01:29
Subject: Re:Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated again*
Ultramarine vet wrote: Don't listen to this Lord Tarkin. He lies! The very air he breathes, comes out crooked!
I do like the black and white scheme. I really want to make my own chapter as well but I'm collecting a full company of Ultramarines and Salamanders first. I'm also gonna get 40 Howling Griffons terminators. Yeah.....I'm a little bit of a nut.
Have you come up with a chapter name yet? I really like the background you've got so far, it is very interesting indeed!
I haven't come up with a name yet, I suck at deciding names.
Also, It's black/dark grey and Silver, not white. the Bolter and Chainsword painter (As Tarkin stated previously) sucks at displaying a silver.
Oh....my bad. Looking back at it, silver is better than white anyways! It differentiates them from the Death Spectres and the Black Templars.
As for a name, what kind are you looking for? Mysterious, Morbid, righteous, etc. I can maybe give you a few ideas. I love creating chapter names.
Be vigilant, the taint of chaos is always near. There is no mercy for the weak and treacherous.
2014/08/13 18:13:40
Subject: Re:Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated again*
Ultramarine vet wrote: Don't listen to this Lord Tarkin. He lies! The very air he breathes, comes out crooked!
I do like the black and white scheme. I really want to make my own chapter as well but I'm collecting a full company of Ultramarines and Salamanders first. I'm also gonna get 40 Howling Griffons terminators. Yeah.....I'm a little bit of a nut.
Have you come up with a chapter name yet? I really like the background you've got so far, it is very interesting indeed!
I haven't come up with a name yet, I suck at deciding names.
Also, It's black/dark grey and Silver, not white. the Bolter and Chainsword painter (As Tarkin stated previously) sucks at displaying a silver.
Want me to give a list?
List of names? I have none, lol. I'm trying to figure out one that isn't too generic
Ultramarine vet wrote: Don't listen to this Lord Tarkin. He lies! The very air he breathes, comes out crooked!
I do like the black and white scheme. I really want to make my own chapter as well but I'm collecting a full company of Ultramarines and Salamanders first. I'm also gonna get 40 Howling Griffons terminators. Yeah.....I'm a little bit of a nut.
Have you come up with a chapter name yet? I really like the background you've got so far, it is very interesting indeed!
I haven't come up with a name yet, I suck at deciding names.
Also, It's black/dark grey and Silver, not white. the Bolter and Chainsword painter (As Tarkin stated previously) sucks at displaying a silver.
Oh....my bad. Looking back at it, silver is better than white anyways! It differentiates them from the Death Spectres and the Black Templars.
As for a name, what kind are you looking for? Mysterious, Morbid, righteous, etc. I can maybe give you a few ideas. I love creating chapter names.
Something kind of refined, nothing to do with gore, death, etc. Something that says they're proper killing machines, not crazed ones
Yeah I suck at describing gak too
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2014/08/13 18:34:30
Subject: Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated again*
Ultramarine vet wrote: Don't listen to this Lord Tarkin. He lies! The very air he breathes, comes out crooked!
I do like the black and white scheme. I really want to make my own chapter as well but I'm collecting a full company of Ultramarines and Salamanders first. I'm also gonna get 40 Howling Griffons terminators. Yeah.....I'm a little bit of a nut.
Have you come up with a chapter name yet? I really like the background you've got so far, it is very interesting indeed!
I haven't come up with a name yet, I suck at deciding names.
Also, It's black/dark grey and Silver, not white. the Bolter and Chainsword painter (As Tarkin stated previously) sucks at displaying a silver.
Want me to give a list?
List of names? I have none, lol. I'm trying to figure out one that isn't too generic
Ultramarine vet wrote: Don't listen to this Lord Tarkin. He lies! The very air he breathes, comes out crooked!
I do like the black and white scheme. I really want to make my own chapter as well but I'm collecting a full company of Ultramarines and Salamanders first. I'm also gonna get 40 Howling Griffons terminators. Yeah.....I'm a little bit of a nut.
Have you come up with a chapter name yet? I really like the background you've got so far, it is very interesting indeed!
I haven't come up with a name yet, I suck at deciding names.
Also, It's black/dark grey and Silver, not white. the Bolter and Chainsword painter (As Tarkin stated previously) sucks at displaying a silver.
Oh....my bad. Looking back at it, silver is better than white anyways! It differentiates them from the Death Spectres and the Black Templars.
As for a name, what kind are you looking for? Mysterious, Morbid, righteous, etc. I can maybe give you a few ideas. I love creating chapter names.
Something kind of refined, nothing to do with gore, death, etc. Something that says they're proper killing machines, not crazed ones
Yeah I suck at describing gak too
Also, since their former legion gave in to Chaos, that gave me a few good ideas! I'll also come up with random-ish names. Note these will be original!
Lords of Redemption
Cryptic Archangels
Sons of Justice
Iron Titans
The Returned
Those are a few I have come up with. If you want more, don't be surprised if I give you around 50 names to choose from!
Be vigilant, the taint of chaos is always near. There is no mercy for the weak and treacherous.
2014/08/13 19:10:24
Subject: Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated again*
Also, since their former legion gave in to Chaos, that gave me a few good ideas! I'll also come up with random-ish names. Note these will be original!
Lords of Redemption
Cryptic Archangels
Sons of Justice
Iron Titans
The Returned
Those are a few I have come up with. If you want more, don't be surprised if I give you around 50 names to choose from!
Give me more! I hunger for More!
Fine, I'll give you more. Lmao.
Repentant Paladins
Conquerors
Vigilant Crusaders
Fomorians
Forsaken Ones
Hallowed Warriors
Sanctified Guardians
Liberators
Adroit Brethren
Astral Patriarchs
Ardent Champions
Knights of Valor
Omega Legion
Zeta Legion
Light Bringers
Vindicators
And my personal favorite.......KITTEN WARRIORS!! Imagine how awesome that would be!
Where is this fifty I was promised?! I demand an explanation for your Heresy!
Hey! If you want me to come up with another 33 chapter names, say the word and I'll do it! Only reason I held back is because.....well.....I thought 50 was a bit much. Apparently, I have been mistaken. I'm gonna go do penance now. Lol.
Be vigilant, the taint of chaos is always near. There is no mercy for the weak and treacherous.
2014/08/14 01:55:24
Subject: Re:Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated again*
Also, since their former legion gave in to Chaos, that gave me a few good ideas! I'll also come up with random-ish names. Note these will be original!
Lords of Redemption
Cryptic Archangels
Sons of Justice
Iron Titans
The Returned
Those are a few I have come up with. If you want more, don't be surprised if I give you around 50 names to choose from!
Give me more! I hunger for More!
Fine, I'll give you more. Lmao.
Repentant Paladins
Conquerors
Vigilant Crusaders
Fomorians
Forsaken Ones
Hallowed Warriors
Sanctified Guardians
Liberators
Adroit Brethren
Astral Patriarchs
Ardent Champions
Knights of Valor
Omega Legion
Zeta Legion
Light Bringers
Vindicators
And my personal favorite.......KITTEN WARRIORS!! Imagine how awesome that would be!
Where is this fifty I was promised?! I demand an explanation for your Heresy!
Hey! If you want me to come up with another 33 chapter names, say the word and I'll do it! Only reason I held back is because.....well.....I thought 50 was a bit much. Apparently, I have been mistaken. I'm gonna go do penance now. Lol.
PM Me some names, as many as you can think of and we'll discuss what the name should be. Aye? Or would you rather something else?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I think what alot of people aren't understanding about chapter names is that they also become the Chapter's Astartes' titles.
For instance, the Blood Ravens' get called a Blood Raven
Ultramarines get called an Ultramarine
Salamanders get called a Salamander
Blood Angels get called a Blood Angel, etc. Alot of these names could be titles aswell, but they dont... fit as much as other names would
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2014/08/14 06:07:05
Subject: Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated again*
Also, since their former legion gave in to Chaos, that gave me a few good ideas! I'll also come up with random-ish names. Note these will be original!
Lords of Redemption
Cryptic Archangels
Sons of Justice
Iron Titans
The Returned
Those are a few I have come up with. If you want more, don't be surprised if I give you around 50 names to choose from!
Give me more! I hunger for More!
Fine, I'll give you more. Lmao.
Repentant Paladins
Conquerors
Vigilant Crusaders
Fomorians
Forsaken Ones
Hallowed Warriors
Sanctified Guardians
Liberators
Adroit Brethren
Astral Patriarchs
Ardent Champions
Knights of Valor
Omega Legion
Zeta Legion
Light Bringers
Vindicators
And my personal favorite.......KITTEN WARRIORS!! Imagine how awesome that would be!
Where is this fifty I was promised?! I demand an explanation for your Heresy!
Hey! If you want me to come up with another 33 chapter names, say the word and I'll do it! Only reason I held back is because.....well.....I thought 50 was a bit much. Apparently, I have been mistaken. I'm gonna go do penance now. Lol.
PM Me some names, as many as you can think of and we'll discuss what the name should be. Aye? Or would you rather something else?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I think what alot of people aren't understanding about chapter names is that they also become the Chapter's Astartes' titles.
For instance, the Blood Ravens' get called a Blood Raven
Ultramarines get called an Ultramarine
Salamanders get called a Salamander
Blood Angels get called a Blood Angel, etc. Alot of these names could be titles aswell, but they dont... fit as much as other names would
Aye, I shall do that then.
You're right, a lot of times a chapter name will often become a title. However! Some chapters don't have a chapter name that can be used as a title. For instance, the chapters Angels Revenant, Marines Errant, Praetors of Orpheus, etc. There isn't many though.
If you want a chapter name that can be used as a title, I will think more along those lines then!
Be vigilant, the taint of chaos is always near. There is no mercy for the weak and treacherous.
2014/08/14 18:38:11
Subject: Making a Homebrew Spess mehreen chapter *Updated again*
Lord Tarkin wrote: Any names yet?? The End of Times will get here before you decide.....
Just playin
Yes indeed, we've named the Chapter "Sons of Kravus" after the Chapter Master.
Automatically Appended Next Post: *Update!*
I have added Sergeant Micah's story to the Character Section and I added the skeleton for Chapter Master Kravus' story, which will be going under several different versions before I decide what is best.
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