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Both my Rangers and my Farseer had horrifically bent weapons.

My jump pack chaos lord was almost beyond salvage.

That is pretty much my experience with finecast.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Both my Rangers and my Farseer had horrifically bent weapons.

My jump pack chaos lord was almost beyond salvage.

That is pretty much my experience with finecast.

Sorry about that.

It was possible to repair the weapons of the Eldar, although it took some work.

The Chaos Lord... I seriously have no idea of what to do with him.

The resin just feels cheap. It's tougher to paint than plastic. I have picked up a ton of Iron Hands upgrades, MoTF, Shadowsun, Farsight, Tau Commander, and an Ethereal. Only the Ethereal was a great cast. Shadowsun and Farsight were ok. MoTF and Commander were pretty awful. The Iron Hand upgrades are hit or miss.

I have a feeling with the advent of the Detroyrer Cult formation that some unsuspecting people may be about to learn first hand just how bad the resin Necron Heavy Destroyer upgrade packs are.

If you're reading this, let me save you some time and money. Convert those Heavy Gauss Cannons.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Both my Rangers and my Farseer had horrifically bent weapons.

F'nar.


Seriously though, if they're bad, return them.

Don't try and bend resin. That leads to snaps.
Always heat it. Hot water or heat gun.

This guy is Finecast (apart from the wings):



There are nicks in the tabdard across the chest, a shoulderpad was pitted, and the axe shaft was bent. The axe-arm hose was a right-old mess.
I managed to fix the axe with hot water, but it kept warping in its foam tray.
After a while though, it snapped. I was able to drill it and fit a 1mm brass rod up it to repair it.

Finecast is very easy to drill, but keeping the hole straight is difficult.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Seriously though, if they're bad, return them.

Why? The replacements are going to be just as bad as the originals. The problem with finecast isn't a small number of bad casts, it's that the material sucks and almost never produces a useable model.

 grendel083 wrote:
Early Finecast had its problems.
The quality has improved, the resin changed. It's been very good the past two years at least. Detail is far sharper to any plastic/metal model. Yet the hate remains.

Allow me to challenge that bolded statement, please.

 Korinov wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
Early Finecast had its problems.
The quality has improved, the resin changed. It's been very good the past two years at least. Detail is far sharper to any plastic/metal model. Yet the hate remains.

Allow me to challenge that bolded statement, please.

Please do, I've had a metal and a Fine Cast Badrukk.
The resin model is far, far better in terms of detail.

 grendel083 wrote:

 Korinov wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
Early Finecast had its problems.
The quality has improved, the resin changed. It's been very good the past two years at least. Detail is far sharper to any plastic/metal model. Yet the hate remains.

Allow me to challenge that bolded statement, please.

Please do, I've had a metal and a Fine Cast Badrukk.
The resin model is far, far better in terms of detail.

If we're only talking about GW models, well, I have both metal and failcast 6th edition DE Black Guard - failcast ones I got second-hand. The casting quality is good, although the halberds were mostly bent - that's what prompted the original owner to sell them, I think.

Having both metal and failcast ones in the same regiment, painted with the same colour scheme, it's difficult to tell them apart. Well, to be honest, I can tell them apart because they're my minis, but for other people it's really tough to spot the difference. In terms of pure detail, they're roughly the same.

If we consider metal miniatures from other manufacturers (Rackham, AoW) many of them offer better detail than most failcast releases, although that has more to do with sculpting detail than material's quality I guess.

Selling Finecast due to bent weapons is crazy. I'm guessing he wasn't an experience modeller?

Main problem is people try and treat it like plastic. You can't just bend them back into shape, they just snap. It's the nature of resin. It needs to be thoroughly heated, ideally with a heat gun, until soft.

I got sent a replacement Reaper Bolt Thrower after getting a Crumblecast version, and it was lots better.

Resin is a fascinating beast! I think the difference between finecast and the newer stuff (besides what it's called) is probably just less filler thrown in to save money.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Seriously though, if they're bad, return them.

Why? The replacements are going to be just as bad as the originals. The problem with finecast isn't a small number of bad casts, it's that the material sucks and almost never produces a useable model.

Return =\= exchange.

I avoid it if I can, but have a few of the models. So far they have all had some warping and bubbles.

I feel with forge world resin I have been able to straighten out any issues I have had with their models, which has not been many in my experience. But with the Finecast no matter how much I try to fix it it still just looks wrong.

Its worth it for everyone to flat-out boycott Failcast models.

GW have shown that they know its bad...they are releasing plastic kits to replace failcast here and there (Zoan/Venomthropes)

If noone buys the stuff at all, we'll end up with more cool plastic kits.

GW aren't replacing FC models because they know they're bad necessarily, it's been a stated aim going back to the time when they communicated with their customers to make as much of their product in plastic as possible. It's more likely the FC-plastic conversions are because they suit GW than any sort of desire to improve.

In fact, it's quite plausible that FC was meant to be a temporary measure from the get go, and the issues were considered acceptable collateral damage where any negatives could be offset by the decrease in material costs, a price increase and a persisting core of customers who swallow whatever GW feeds them.


As to a boycott?

Yeah, nice idea, but impossible to orchestrate in reality.

My termie chaplain was perfect.
My Thunder Fire Cannon was not. The sides were warped so it looked like some cutsy anime version of the thing to the point that nothing really fit together. It was a mess.

 grendel083 wrote:
Selling Finecast due to bent weapons is crazy. I'm guessing he wasn't an experience modeller?

Main problem is people try and treat it like plastic. You can't just bend them back into shape, they just snap. It's the nature of resin. It needs to be thoroughly heated, ideally with a heat gun, until soft.

It's likely he was unexperienced at dealing with resin models. Some hot water and the bending was 95% gone... I don't mind some halberd or standard poles being slightly bent, sometimes they were made out of branches so it's natural they wouldn't be 100% perfectly straight.

I have to admit my reaction would have probably been the same as his - getting rid of the models outright - if I didn't know the bending could be fixed. You pay a boutique price for some halberdiers and the halberds are bent... ah, the joys of resin.

I've bought quite a few fine cast models, and I've only come across one or 2 issues. I suppose I am just lucky.

I have 2 Finecast Haemonculi- both of which look pretty good. Fingers were missing due to bubbling but since I was going to snip the hands off for some nastier weaponry it wasn't that much of a bother. I have 2 Medusae that came out very nicely.
The resin Wracks are the worst of the bunch. Terrible to paint on and the Hexrifle's magazine may as well not have been on. Thank god they made them in plastic.

I also have a Finecast Necron Overlord, Cryptek and Trazyn. All of them were pretty well done. The first had a bit of his foot missing though I let that fly, since it actually looks like he's regenerating it. Crypteks' staff of Light snapped like a twig. Annoying but fixable. Trazyn's Empathic Obliterator is all bendy though and I can't make it go back straight.

 Brennonjw wrote:
I've bought quite a few fine cast models, and I've only come across one or 2 issues. I suppose I am just lucky.

You could say you're lucky, but then compare it to the hundreds of metal GW minis I bought back in the day, not to mention the hundreds more my friends bought, and I don't recall a single issue beyond standard clean up items.

"One or two" out of "quite a few" suddenly sounds much worse don't you think?

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
I've bought quite a few fine cast models, and I've only come across one or 2 issues. I suppose I am just lucky.

You could say you're lucky, but then compare it to the hundreds of metal GW minis I bought back in the day, not to mention the hundreds more my friends bought, and I don't recall a single issue beyond standard clean up items.

"One or two" out of "quite a few" suddenly sounds much worse don't you think?

quite a few as in 60+, to clarify.

Still, in relation to hundreds purchased over many years, that's an exponentially higher failure rate, if we're talking anecdotally.

Just as a rough estimate, I'm going from a sample size of four people, with at least two factions in the 3000 point ballpark each (except one guy who had a large collection exclusively of Nids, but, well, Nids) so probably somewhere in the region of 200 minis each (and we're talking an era where Dreads, Land Speeders and various other large kits were metal) without a single production issue.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Return =\= exchange.

Does GW offer returns for a refund?


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 angelofvengeance wrote:
I have 2 Finecast Haemonculi- both of which look pretty good. Fingers were missing due to bubbling but since I was going to snip the hands off for some nastier weaponry it wasn't that much of a bother. I have 2 Medusae that came out very nicely.
The resin Wracks are the worst of the bunch. Terrible to paint on and the Hexrifle's magazine may as well not have been on. Thank god they made them in plastic.

I also have a Finecast Necron Overlord, Cryptek and Trazyn. All of them were pretty well done. The first had a bit of his foot missing though I let that fly, since it actually looks like he's regenerating it. Crypteks' staff of Light snapped like a twig. Annoying but fixable. Trazyn's Empathic Obliterator is all bendy though and I can't make it go back straight.

IOW: "my finecast models sucked, but it's ok because I was going to make them nurgle models and the bubbles are a good thing!"

 Peregrine wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Return =\= exchange.

Does GW offer returns for a refund?

All retailers are obliged to offer a refund for faulty goods in the UK by law (assuming accompanied by a receipt, within a reasonable time frame (usually 14 days) and a few other caveats.)

I have an Imotekh, Termi Lib and Chaplain, and an Abaddon. No issues with any of them, although the Imotekh is SIGNIFICANTLY harder than the other three, and he was a lighter color. No issues with bubbles or anything like that on them. From what I have deduced, it seems like the earlier models made out of it sucked, and now they've sorted the mix out, so they seem to be much better these days.

As always, YMMV

 Bi'ios wrote:
I have an Imotekh, Termi Lib and Chaplain, and an Abaddon. No issues with any of them, although the Imotekh is SIGNIFICANTLY harder than the other three, and he was a lighter color. No issues with bubbles or anything like that on them. From what I have deduced, it seems like the earlier models made out of it sucked, and now they've sorted the mix out, so they seem to be much better these days.

As always, YMMV

Was the Imotekh newer? I heard some people say they got some Tau models more recently that were a harder resin, much better quality than the older finecast stuff.

It isn't impossible, with the move to direct only for much of it, and the replacement with plastic in other cases, that sales volume has dropped sufficiently that Forge World (who are, after all GW's resin specialists) may well have taken over that side of production.

It's been rumoured for a while, but more in a "you'll go to FW to buy it" sort of way, perhaps they're just the one's at Lenton making the casts now?