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Everyone.

I'm trying to beat my friend's Plague Zombie army, and I'm using this setup for fighting:

HQ:
Warboss - 'Eavy Armor, Cybork Body, Twin-linked Shoota, Da Finkin Kap - 82pts

Troops:
11 Shoota Boyz - Shootas, Bossnob, Bosspole - 92pts
11 Slugga Boyz - Boosnob, Bosspole - 81pts

Elites:

4 Nobs - Bossnob, 2 Twin-Linked Shootas, 2 Kombi-weapons with Rokkit Launchas, Bosspole - 93pts

Heavy Support:
Deff Dread - 2 Rokkit Launchas - 80 pts
Lootas - 70pts

Total: 498pts


My opponents setup:

Chaos God: Nurgle

HQ:
Typhus

Troops:
25 Plague Zombies

5 Plague Marines - Melta

That's pretty much all I know.



So, any suggestions?

looks pretty solid could have a looted wagon with boomgun instead of lootas? has ap 3 for the marines and a big blast for the zombies

Tiny_Titan 636610 7608301 6cd9d975117af2a00b377a1
03d71e120.jpg wrote:looks pretty solid could have a looted wagon with boomgun instead of lootas? has ap 3 for the marines and a big blast for the zombies

I've been seeing if I can get a template into my army, maybe swap out the Lootas for Burnaboyz?

you could do, but be careful he doesnt shoot them up with his marines!

it doesnt look like he would be able to deal with your looted wagon with boomgun though because its range 24" and his melta on plague marines isnt long range enough to deal with that. but yes, burnas are alright, but remember you only kill whats under the template and no further, so its risky business. personally id go with the looted wagon

 Tiny_Titan wrote:
you could do, but be careful he doesnt shoot them up with his marines!

it doesnt look like he would be able to deal with your looted wagon with boomgun though because its range 24" and his melta on plague marines isnt long range enough to deal with that. but yes, burnas are alright, but remember you only kill whats under the template and no further, so its risky business. personally id go with the looted wagon

It would be a huge point sink, but Burna Wagon would be solid to run around and burn up stuff and still be fairly safe. Probly not worth it, obviously, in a 500 pt game :p

Looted Wagon would be very solid for a good sized blast. Or perhaps a few Lobbas too for some small plates, but also Barrage, possibly force enough saves to snipe out Typhus? Or just lay siege to the zombies.

Melevolence wrote:

 Tiny_Titan wrote:
you could do, but be careful he doesnt shoot them up with his marines!

it doesnt look like he would be able to deal with your looted wagon with boomgun though because its range 24" and his melta on plague marines isnt long range enough to deal with that. but yes, burnas are alright, but remember you only kill whats under the template and no further, so its risky business. personally id go with the looted wagon

It would be a huge point sink, but Burna Wagon would be solid to run around and burn up stuff and still be fairly safe. Probly not worth it, obviously, in a 500 pt game :p

Looted Wagon would be very solid for a good sized blast. Or perhaps a few Lobbas too for some small plates, but also Barrage, possibly force enough saves to snipe out Typhus? Or just lay siege to the zombies.

The Zombies are what bother me more. More numbers, on top of Feel No Pain makes them dangerousfor what I have, and Typhus has Slow and Purposeful, meaning he can't run, and Terminator Armor keeps him from going into vehicles, and the table we play on actually makes him not very worthwhile to take, in my opinion, since we play from end to end.

I also don't have a Battlewagon, or even one that's looted, all I have in terms of vehicles is a Trukk and Warbikers.

Well if you're doing 500 points, Typhus is half his points, and the plague marines and blob of zombies are the rest, so he really isnt going to be able to bring any sort of heavy weapons to bear.

I think you should drop the lootas, take a trukk full of nobz or ard boyz with a klaw boss who's job is to hunt the plague marines down.

I think the deff dread is actually a good idea in this case. I'd give him 4 combat arms though instead of rokkits, its still ork ballistic skill and we all know they went to the Stormtrooper School of Barn Shooting. If you have more dreads or kanz, squeeze those in if you can. The goal is to get them into assault with the zombies as soon as possible and tie them down all game long. A single killa kan will tie up the entire blob for the entire game. This eliminates the majority of his table control, leaving him only a unit of plague marines with typhus (aka cant ride in a rhino).

So if you make the rest of your army as mobile as possible you will control the table and therefore the objectives, because he will have six models to your dozens.

Example list: 498 pts

+HQ+

Warboss w/ Powerklaw, Eavy Armour, Lucky Stick, Bosspole, Shoota: 119 pts

+TROOPS+

10 Slugga Boyz + Nob w/ klaw, bosspole, shoota in a trukk w/ ram: 141 pts
(Warboss rides with these guys, after dropping off the mob, use it to do objective things or tank shock zombies around for lelz)

13 Shoota boyz + 1 Big Shoota boy, + Nob w/ big choppa, bosspole, shoota: 128 pts
(these guys support the deff dread / consolidate midfield objectives)

+HEAVY+

Deff dread w/ 4 klaws + armour plates: 110 pts
(Make a beeline for the zombies and tie them up literally all game, making them a non issue entirely).

the strength 7 will negate their feel no pain because they are only toughness 3 arent they?

 Tiny_Titan wrote:
you could do, but be careful he doesnt shoot them up with his marines!

it doesnt look like he would be able to deal with your looted wagon with boomgun though because its range 24" and his melta on plague marines isnt long range enough to deal with that. but yes, burnas are alright, but remember you only kill whats under the template and no further, so its risky business. personally id go with the looted wagon

Titan where is the rule that says you only burn whats under the template?

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 Tiny_Titan wrote:
you could do, but be careful he doesnt shoot them up with his marines!

it doesnt look like he would be able to deal with your looted wagon with boomgun though because its range 24" and his melta on plague marines isnt long range enough to deal with that. but yes, burnas are alright, but remember you only kill whats under the template and no further, so its risky business. personally id go with the looted wagon

Titan where is the rule that says you only burn whats under the template?

so on page 173 it says that any models under the template are hit. thats fine, then we have a wound pool. say the enemy has 10 models, i can hit 5 of them and i hit some of them multiple times. say i get 20 hits and 15 wounds. now on page 35 in shooting under out of range, it says that only models within range can have wounds allocated to it. so even though i did 15 wounds, say my oponent only saves 5, so there are enough wounds to kill 10 models, but only 5 were within range of the template. therefore, i only kill the 5 models that were hit.

it may be explained more clearly somewhere else in the book, but im 98% sure it works like this now (hence me not using burners any more)

someone help me out if i have missed something else?

Tiny_Titan you're spot on there.

It's just worth noting that although you cover the maximum number of troops possible with a flamer, if a model is found to be within range were you to move the template then it can be wounded.

(E.g. let's use your example, and say a unit of Burnas are surrounded by a unit of 10 models. You hit five of them to score maximum hits possible, but if the remaining five models are found to be within 8" range of the unit, they can be wounded).

Anyhoo the list's look fine. Not my cup of tea for fast lists (all about dem Warbikers) but for 500 points should be good.

 Frozocrone wrote:
Tiny_Titan you're spot on there.

It's just worth noting that although you cover the maximum number of troops possible with a flamer, if a model is found to be within range were you to move the template then it can be wounded.

(E.g. let's use your example, and say a unit of Burnas are surrounded by a unit of 10 models. You hit five of them to score maximum hits possible, but if the remaining five models are found to be within 8" range of the unit, they can be wounded).

Anyhoo the list's look fine. Not my cup of tea for fast lists (all about dem Warbikers) but for 500 points should be good.

^

thanks for confirmation! Ah yes, good point!