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Of our loyalist brotherhood of demigods, who would(through machinations of their own or indirect impact) cause untold mayhem and destruction throughout the Imperium of Man with their return?

Assuming that the Black Library has every far-fetched theory sitting on a dusty shelf in the catacombs beneath Britain, let's entertain this question in two parts. 1) Assuming you had all loyalists to choose from, be it from the theory that Ferrus Manus was secretly made up of trillions of tiny Ferrus Manus's and they only JUST came back together or that Sanguinius was just kidding, who would be most destructive to the Imperium with a sudden return? 2) Of those left behind who are largely suspected or known to be alive, who would you choose to be this harbinger of doom?

And most importantly... Why?



While I know theories and suspicions abound, I would think the following are reasonably dead:
Ferrus Manus
Sanguinius
Rogal Dorn

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Why?

Because the Loyalists are called loyal for good reason.

- Primarch of the 1. returns. > bad news for chaos. Most likely to get up, breakfast, kick Abby, go to sleep again...
- Primarch of the 2. returns. > everybody is confused.... this is one of them?
- Primarch of the 5. returns. > Horses become a thing again. Girls love horses. 50% of Humans on his side in seconds...
- Primarch of the 6. returns. > smells like wet dog, but generally he wouldn't be able to "destroy" the Imperium.
- Primarch of the 7. returns. > he knows how to serve.
- Primarch of the 9. returns. > the Angelic one would have it easy. Looks like an Angel, sold as 'saint' to the masses by the church...
- Primarch of the 10. returns. > has the support of the tech guys.
- Primarch of the 11. returns > who?
- Primarch of the 13. returns. > a lot of the current state is his fault already.. now he can write a whole series of books...the Administratum would have a nerdgasm.
- Primarch of the 18. returns. > reforges the realm of man. No more Grimdark. The unbound flame to light up the darkness..
- Primarch of the 19. returns. > They won't see him coming. And then, its too late. Wouldn't mess with the general setup of the IoM.
- Primarch of the 20 returns. > which one?

What exactly would destroy the Imperium? It survived civil wars, it survived with 0 High Lords, and the Emperor is still there.

I'm not sure who would really cause any destruction at all really. Well, not directly at least. Certain ones like Leman Russ or Gulliman would likely say "Screw this" and succeed from the imperium, while Rogal Dorn could possibly declare direct war against the current imperiums way, vowing to destroy it in its current form if people (such as the inquisition or high lords) refuse to reform

 1hadhq wrote:
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Why?

Because the Loyalists are called loyal for good reason.

- Primarch of the 1. returns. > bad news for chaos. Most likely to get up, breakfast, kick Abby, go to sleep again...
- Primarch of the 2. returns. > everybody is confused.... this is one of them?
- Primarch of the 5. returns. > Horses become a thing again. Girls love horses. 50% of Humans on his side in seconds...
- Primarch of the 6. returns. > smells like wet dog, but generally he wouldn't be able to "destroy" the Imperium.
- Primarch of the 7. returns. > he knows how to serve.
- Primarch of the 9. returns. > the Angelic one would have it easy. Looks like an Angel, sold as 'saint' to the masses by the church...
- Primarch of the 10. returns. > has the support of the tech guys.
- Primarch of the 11. returns > who?
- Primarch of the 13. returns. > a lot of the current state is his fault already.. now he can write a whole series of books...the Administratum would have a nerdgasm.
- Primarch of the 18. returns. > reforges the realm of man. No more Grimdark. The unbound flame to light up the darkness..
- Primarch of the 19. returns. > They won't see him coming. And then, its too late. Wouldn't mess with the general setup of the IoM.
- Primarch of the 20 returns. > which one?

What exactly would destroy the Imperium? It survived civil wars, it survived with 0 High Lords, and the Emperor is still there.

Sorry, you missed the question. The 'Why' was in regards to "Why would their return cause damage" and then you were to pick who would have the most damaging return.

Did you mean Loyalist or Traitor as well? Cos:

Loyalist: Wouldn't matter
Traitor: Horus (for obvious reasons)

 WarbossDakka wrote:
Did you mean Loyalist or Traitor as well? Cos:

Loyalist: Wouldn't matter
Traitor: Horus (for obvious reasons)

Traitor writes itself and has been written. It's not even worth thinking about since it's been done. Discussion would yield little.

Loyalist is very significant. I'll leave it to you to consider why. Earn that critical thinking badge!

Well, based on the loyalist who still have a chance of being alive (leaving out ferrus manus even if I personally believe some part of him sill exists)

Corax: might get angry but probably won't do anything, would probably just chill with the raven guard and do whatever his chapter wants to do.
Khan: probably not much either might get super mad with all the corruption of the high lords, but he doesn't seem to be a very charismatic or particularly bothered type
Guilliman: demand things to change and if not he might secede, and form his own empire.
Dorn: do Dorn things, get really angry and probably declare open war on the high lords.
Leman Russ: might not do anything at first, but if another armageddon incident happens, or if the high lords give him gak, the dogs of war would be unleashed
Vulkan: would definitely getting very angry about the treatment of normal humans, would probably be in between the spectrum, keep peace with the imperium so to speak but not take any of their nonsense.
Johnson: once again another middle spectrum guy I think, but I don't know much about him, never cared for the dreaded dark angles lol.

ferrus is presumed dead and sanguinious is dead.

I'll throw some wood on the fires and pick an easy dead guy:

Sanguinius is worshipped as divine by a significant portion of the populace and has a holiday. His return would likely see a schism not of his own making across the Imperium and a lot of high tensions between the BA successor chapters and other space marines. The High Lords may take preemptive action to calm the populace that is mistaken as aggression(which it may well be) and the tinderbox goes up.

For a live guy? I think Guilliman is pretty easy. He likely would wall up Ultramar and effectively secede without saying it. His legion may be split into chapters, but the 500 worlds are hardly undermanned. Because he could be accused of legion-building in contrast to his own codex, the High Lords may let their paranoia drive them to stupidity.

My belief is that say Leman Russ returns, and decides the IoM needs some fixing, it could cause a bit of damage if the Lords of Terra didn't agree with the changes. Many civilians would see the Russ as the next best thing to the Emporer returning, and would probably start worshipping him as well. With all of the religiousness ingrained into their heads, it would be hard for Russ to stop all of the worshipping, if that was what he wanted. There's no saying how many Sm chapters would join a primarch, and it likely depends on which primarch returned. It would also be hard to stop a primarch without any on the IoM's side. This is all assuming that the High Lords don't agree to changes, which they probably would agree with to a point, seeing as they are speaking to someone who a descendant to the Emperor himself.

 Shidank wrote:


Sorry, you missed the question. The 'Why' was in regards to "Why would their return cause damage" and then you were to pick who would have the most damaging return.

If the damage of the return of 99% of the known Loyalists isn't even close to " destroy the Imperium level" ?
Because thats my guess.


One of the 2 "expunged from all records" could cause some Problems if he returned.. he shouldn't exist, can't provide proof of his 'primarchness' etc pp;
Or one of the 20th Legion, if loyal, would cause serious Problems as a "known Traitor";

But IMO the IoM is going to endure even a return of 9 Primarchs at once. That is its role. ( disclaimer: until GW does a bubbleverse in space ).

 1hadhq wrote:

 Shidank wrote:


Sorry, you missed the question. The 'Why' was in regards to "Why would their return cause damage" and then you were to pick who would have the most damaging return.

If the damage of the return of 99% of the known Loyalists isn't even close to " destroy the Imperium level" ?
Because thats my guess.


One of the 2 "expunged from all records" could cause some Problems if he returned.. he shouldn't exist, can't provide proof of his 'primarchness' etc pp;
Or one of the 20th Legion, if loyal, would cause serious Problems as a "known Traitor";

But IMO the IoM is going to endure even a return of 9 Primarchs at once. That is its role. ( disclaimer: until GW does a bubbleverse in space ).

True, it's hard to think progressive in GW's stagnant rate of story-telling. Still, I believe in you. You can do it.

Gulliman's return would be the most disruptive, as he would probably try to take over and "fix" the imperium. The road to ruin is paved with good intentions. Johnson might do the same, plus would probably start legion-building again (Johnson never signed on to the Codex Astartes).

The others don't seem as predisposed to wrangling with government, and so would probably take up the mantle of warmaster and fight the many enemies of mankind. If anything, that would be a stabilizing factor (the Primarchs were excellent generals).

 Shidank wrote:

For a live guy? I think Guilliman is pretty easy. He likely would wall up Ultramar and effectively secede without saying it. His legion may be split into chapters, but the 500 worlds are hardly undermanned. Because he could be accused of legion-building in contrast to his own codex, the High Lords may let their paranoia drive them to stupidity.

there was a supplement that was put out by bolter and chain sword called the Dornian heresy that talks about this. it is a good read. you should check it out if you haven't already.

 DanielBeaver wrote:
Gulliman's return would be the most disruptive, as he would probably try to take over and "fix" the imperium. The road to ruin is paved with good intentions. Johnson might do the same, plus would probably start legion-building again (Johnson never signed on to the Codex Astartes).

The others don't seem as predisposed to wrangling with government, and so would probably take up the mantle of warmaster and fight the many enemies of mankind. If anything, that would be a stabilizing factor (the Primarchs were excellent generals).

I agree with you except I tnink Guilliman returning and taking over the Imperium would actually be beneficial.

Guilliman would cause serious damage, he'd be straight to Terra to topple the corrupt government that grossly mirrors what he put in place. I would be surprised if he attacked Terra, denounced the Ecclesiarchy on every planet he passed, and waltzed straight into the Throne Room to see what remained of his Father. He'd then be reorganising the ENTIRE Imperium. No other Primarch would do that, they may topple the High Lords, they may attack Terra, they may dissolve the Ecclesiarchy, but none would try to rebuild the Imperium again.
How many would be straight to Cadia to face their traitorous brothers? I know the Lion would.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 DanielBeaver wrote:
Gulliman's return would be the most disruptive, as he would probably try to take over and "fix" the imperium. The road to ruin is paved with good intentions. Johnson might do the same, plus would probably start legion-building again (Johnson never signed on to the Codex Astartes).

The others don't seem as predisposed to wrangling with government, and so would probably take up the mantle of warmaster and fight the many enemies of mankind. If anything, that would be a stabilizing factor (the Primarchs were excellent generals).

I agree with you except I tnink Guilliman returning and taking over the Imperium would actually be beneficial.

Beneficial, perhaps. Bloodless?

 Shidank wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 DanielBeaver wrote:
Gulliman's return would be the most disruptive, as he would probably try to take over and "fix" the imperium. The road to ruin is paved with good intentions. Johnson might do the same, plus would probably start legion-building again (Johnson never signed on to the Codex Astartes).

The others don't seem as predisposed to wrangling with government, and so would probably take up the mantle of warmaster and fight the many enemies of mankind. If anything, that would be a stabilizing factor (the Primarchs were excellent generals).

I agree with you except I tnink Guilliman returning and taking over the Imperium would actually be beneficial.

Beneficial, perhaps. Bloodless?

I'm sure he'd have to fight to do so. The High Lords of Terra aren't gonna give up their power easily. But I think him in charge would be far better for humanity than the state they're in now.

I think any of em could, but not the way we think. all of the loyalist primarchs are considered divine individuals as such if they returned I imagine you'd see a lot of arguement over if they where geniune. hell one source IIRC refers to a "war of the false primarch" for all we know a Primarch had ALREADY returned

Haha you really think that if a single loyalist Primarch will return he will secede?
No matter how reluctant the High Lords are they'd have to give him authority and let him change almost as much as he'd like.

 Khonsu wrote:
Haha you really think that if a single loyalist Primarch will return he will secede?
No matter how reluctant the High Lords are they'd have to give him authority and let him change almost as much as he'd like.

I don't think so. It's been like 10,000 years, I really don't think they'd give up their power without a fight.

 Shidank wrote:
True, it's hard to think progressive in GW's stagnant rate of story-telling. Still, I believe in you. You can do it.

You must not have followed the End Times series. GW blew up the entire Warhammer world in a few months.

I can see quite a few of the Primarchs causing damage when they return and decide the Imperium sucks and they could do a better job (which at least Guilliman, Russ, Vulkan, Dorn would think) The High Lords would probably disagree et voila, civil war. Of course, that is only if anyone is still paying attention to the High Lords at that point. Who would you rather follow? A living god or a stuffy old dude?
Russ would probably be the most damaging. Under his rule, no human in the Imperium would ever be sober again

 Khonsu wrote:
Haha you really think that if a single loyalist Primarch will return he will secede?
No matter how reluctant the High Lords are they'd have to give him authority and let him change almost as much as he'd like.

No they wouldn't, there was already tension between the primarchs and the High Lords even before the Heresy.

Personally, I think it'd be either Guilliman or the Lion. I think Russ would be belligerent, but in the end wouldn't have enough of a following to do any serious damage. Guilliman and the Lion are the ones who could rally the Imperium, and if the High Lords or Ecclesiarchy had any reservations there would be serious trouble. Sanguinius could rally the Imperium as well, but being the Mary Sue that he is I think he would work with the High Lords as much as possible and try to keep everything smooth.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:
Haha you really think that if a single loyalist Primarch will return he will secede?
No matter how reluctant the High Lords are they'd have to give him authority and let him change almost as much as he'd like.

No they wouldn't, there was already tension between the primarchs and the High Lords even before the Heresy.

Personally, I think it'd be either Guilliman or the Lion. I think Russ would be belligerent, but in the end wouldn't have enough of a following to do any serious damage. Guilliman and the Lion are the ones who could rally the Imperium, and if the High Lords or Ecclesiarchy had any reservations there would be serious trouble. Sanguinius could rally the Imperium as well, but being the Mary Sue that he is I think he would work with the High Lords as much as possible and try to keep everything smooth.

Well said. To me, Sanguinius would be the most reasonable and most damaging. His divinity transcends the other primarchs and his following would be truly massive, despite his protests. The Ecclesiarchy would adapt or react violently. They may even split.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:
Haha you really think that if a single loyalist Primarch will return he will secede?
No matter how reluctant the High Lords are they'd have to give him authority and let him change almost as much as he'd like.

No they wouldn't, there was already tension between the primarchs and the High Lords even before the Heresy.

Personally, I think it'd be either Guilliman or the Lion. I think Russ would be belligerent, but in the end wouldn't have enough of a following to do any serious damage. Guilliman and the Lion are the ones who could rally the Imperium, and if the High Lords or Ecclesiarchy had any reservations there would be serious trouble. Sanguinius could rally the Imperium as well, but being the Mary Sue that he is I think he would work with the High Lords as much as possible and try to keep everything smooth.

I think Gulliman would work with the high lords as well. he seems more the type to work within the system and reform it, then to go renegade.

that said I think it's worth dividing the loyalist primarchs between "politicans" and ummm "not politicans" a primarch who is p;olitically inclined, like Gulliman, or maybe Dorn are apt to get involved with the running of the IoM. a Primarch like Russ? is more apt to just do his own thing and basicly play the role of a charismatic chapter master

 Orblivion wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:
Haha you really think that if a single loyalist Primarch will return he will secede?
No matter how reluctant the High Lords are they'd have to give him authority and let him change almost as much as he'd like.

No they wouldn't, there was already tension between the primarchs and the High Lords even before the Heresy.

Personally, I think it'd be either Guilliman or the Lion. I think Russ would be belligerent, but in the end wouldn't have enough of a following to do any serious damage.

I don't know about that. Leman Russ is pretty popular in the Imperium, and so are the Space Wolves. You have to look at it from the point of an Imperial citizen. Leman Russ is a living god, and one that is said to be very kind to the average guy on top of that. The alternative is an opressive, genocidal government led by snobbish old men with too much cybernetics. I think Russ would gain lots of influence really quickly as most of the Imperium's population and its military defects to him. Imagine if most of the Earths population was made up of devout Christians and Jesus would suddenly return. Would the people follow Jesus or Barack Obama and other world leaders?
It is the same for the other Primarchs. All of them are basically gods to the Imperium's population, so all of them would naturally have massive influence and following.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:
Haha you really think that if a single loyalist Primarch will return he will secede?
No matter how reluctant the High Lords are they'd have to give him authority and let him change almost as much as he'd like.

No they wouldn't, there was already tension between the primarchs and the High Lords even before the Heresy.

Personally, I think it'd be either Guilliman or the Lion. I think Russ would be belligerent, but in the end wouldn't have enough of a following to do any serious damage. Guilliman and the Lion are the ones who could rally the Imperium, and if the High Lords or Ecclesiarchy had any reservations there would be serious trouble. Sanguinius could rally the Imperium as well, but being the Mary Sue that he is I think he would work with the High Lords as much as possible and try to keep everything smooth.

I think Gulliman would work with the high lords as well. he seems more the type to work within the system and reform it, then to go renegade.

that said I think it's worth dividing the loyalist primarchs between "politicans" and ummm "not politicans" a primarch who is p;olitically inclined, like Gulliman, or maybe Dorn are apt to get involved with the running of the IoM. a Primarch like Russ? is more apt to just do his own thing and basicly play the role of a charismatic chapter master

Guilliman is an empire builder. He would want things to be done his way, without others telling him how he is supposed to run stuff. Even when the Emperor himself was still around Guilliman was already thinking about making his own seperate empire.
Also, Guilliman and Dorn were not the only politically minded Primarchs. Most of them were. Remember that most of them were planetary rulers before the Emperor arrived. Certainly Russ often concerned himself with politics, though he generally was too direct and confrontational to be a proper ruler of anything but a bunch of Vikings.

Vulkan or Russ and the inquisition would not get on...

Who are people going to respect more, a immortal son of the emperor, a living god and hero of the great crusade

Or a stuffy highlord 99.999% never had a reason to care about

BrianDavion wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:
Haha you really think that if a single loyalist Primarch will return he will secede?
No matter how reluctant the High Lords are they'd have to give him authority and let him change almost as much as he'd like.

No they wouldn't, there was already tension between the primarchs and the High Lords even before the Heresy.

Personally, I think it'd be either Guilliman or the Lion. I think Russ would be belligerent, but in the end wouldn't have enough of a following to do any serious damage. Guilliman and the Lion are the ones who could rally the Imperium, and if the High Lords or Ecclesiarchy had any reservations there would be serious trouble. Sanguinius could rally the Imperium as well, but being the Mary Sue that he is I think he would work with the High Lords as much as possible and try to keep everything smooth.

I think Gulliman would work with the high lords as well. he seems more the type to work within the system and reform it, then to go renegade.

that said I think it's worth dividing the loyalist primarchs between "politicans" and ummm "not politicans" a primarch who is p;olitically inclined, like Gulliman, or maybe Dorn are apt to get involved with the running of the IoM. a Primarch like Russ? is more apt to just do his own thing and basicly play the role of a charismatic chapter master

I think Guilliman would certainly be willing to work with the High Lords, as would the Lion, but I think they would both be slightly more standoffish about the whole thing than someone like Sanguinius. Sanguinius, being the type of person he is, would likely go before the High Lords and kneel, pledging his loyalty as his first order of business. Guilliman would stand a better chance than the Lion at finding common ground with the High Lords, but there is still a decent chance for the situation to ignite IMO.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:
Haha you really think that if a single loyalist Primarch will return he will secede?
No matter how reluctant the High Lords are they'd have to give him authority and let him change almost as much as he'd like.

No they wouldn't, there was already tension between the primarchs and the High Lords even before the Heresy.

Personally, I think it'd be either Guilliman or the Lion. I think Russ would be belligerent, but in the end wouldn't have enough of a following to do any serious damage.

I don't know about that. Leman Russ is pretty popular in the Imperium, and so are the Space Wolves. You have to look at it from the point of an Imperial citizen. Leman Russ is a living god, and one that is said to be very kind to the average guy on top of that. The alternative is an opressive, genocidal government led by snobbish old men with too much cybernetics. I think Russ would gain lots of influence really quickly as most of the Imperium's population and its military defects to him. Imagine if most of the Earths population was made up of devout Christians and Jesus would suddenly return. Would the people follow Jesus or Barack Obama and other world leaders?
It is the same for the other Primarchs. All of them are basically gods to the Imperium's population, so all of them would naturally have massive influence and following.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I meant that he would be too belligerent to bother getting anyone on his side. I think he would basically go to Fenris, then bring the Space Wolves right to Terra and tell the High Lords off immediately. That would not end in his favor.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:
Haha you really think that if a single loyalist Primarch will return he will secede?
No matter how reluctant the High Lords are they'd have to give him authority and let him change almost as much as he'd like.

No they wouldn't, there was already tension between the primarchs and the High Lords even before the Heresy.

Personally, I think it'd be either Guilliman or the Lion. I think Russ would be belligerent, but in the end wouldn't have enough of a following to do any serious damage.

I don't know about that. Leman Russ is pretty popular in the Imperium, and so are the Space Wolves. You have to look at it from the point of an Imperial citizen. Leman Russ is a living god, and one that is said to be very kind to the average guy on top of that. The alternative is an opressive, genocidal government led by snobbish old men with too much cybernetics. I think Russ would gain lots of influence really quickly as most of the Imperium's population and its military defects to him. Imagine if most of the Earths population was made up of devout Christians and Jesus would suddenly return. Would the people follow Jesus or Barack Obama and other world leaders?
It is the same for the other Primarchs. All of them are basically gods to the Imperium's population, so all of them would naturally have massive influence and following.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:
Haha you really think that if a single loyalist Primarch will return he will secede?
No matter how reluctant the High Lords are they'd have to give him authority and let him change almost as much as he'd like.

No they wouldn't, there was already tension between the primarchs and the High Lords even before the Heresy.

Personally, I think it'd be either Guilliman or the Lion. I think Russ would be belligerent, but in the end wouldn't have enough of a following to do any serious damage. Guilliman and the Lion are the ones who could rally the Imperium, and if the High Lords or Ecclesiarchy had any reservations there would be serious trouble. Sanguinius could rally the Imperium as well, but being the Mary Sue that he is I think he would work with the High Lords as much as possible and try to keep everything smooth.

I think Gulliman would work with the high lords as well. he seems more the type to work within the system and reform it, then to go renegade.

that said I think it's worth dividing the loyalist primarchs between "politicans" and ummm "not politicans" a primarch who is p;olitically inclined, like Gulliman, or maybe Dorn are apt to get involved with the running of the IoM. a Primarch like Russ? is more apt to just do his own thing and basicly play the role of a charismatic chapter master

Guilliman is an empire builder. He would want things to be done his way, without others telling him how he is supposed to run stuff. Even when the Emperor himself was still around Guilliman was already thinking about making his own seperate empire.
Also, Guilliman and Dorn were not the only politically minded Primarchs. Most of them were. Remember that most of them were planetary rulers before the Emperor arrived. Certainly Russ often concerned himself with politics, though he generally was too direct and confrontational to be a proper ruler of anything but a bunch of Vikings.

Where are you getting the bolded part from..?


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BrianDavion wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:
Haha you really think that if a single loyalist Primarch will return he will secede?
No matter how reluctant the High Lords are they'd have to give him authority and let him change almost as much as he'd like.

No they wouldn't, there was already tension between the primarchs and the High Lords even before the Heresy.

Personally, I think it'd be either Guilliman or the Lion. I think Russ would be belligerent, but in the end wouldn't have enough of a following to do any serious damage. Guilliman and the Lion are the ones who could rally the Imperium, and if the High Lords or Ecclesiarchy had any reservations there would be serious trouble. Sanguinius could rally the Imperium as well, but being the Mary Sue that he is I think he would work with the High Lords as much as possible and try to keep everything smooth.

I think Gulliman would work with the high lords as well. he seems more the type to work within the system and reform it, then to go renegade.

that said I think it's worth dividing the loyalist primarchs between "politicans" and ummm "not politicans" a primarch who is p;olitically inclined, like Gulliman, or maybe Dorn are apt to get involved with the running of the IoM. a Primarch like Russ? is more apt to just do his own thing and basicly play the role of a charismatic chapter master

Most of the tension between the High Lords and the Primarchs after the heresy was with Guilliman I believe. I don't think their relationship would be as easy as you think it would.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:
Haha you really think that if a single loyalist Primarch will return he will secede?
No matter how reluctant the High Lords are they'd have to give him authority and let him change almost as much as he'd like.

No they wouldn't, there was already tension between the primarchs and the High Lords even before the Heresy.

Personally, I think it'd be either Guilliman or the Lion. I think Russ would be belligerent, but in the end wouldn't have enough of a following to do any serious damage.

I don't know about that. Leman Russ is pretty popular in the Imperium, and so are the Space Wolves. You have to look at it from the point of an Imperial citizen. Leman Russ is a living god, and one that is said to be very kind to the average guy on top of that. The alternative is an opressive, genocidal government led by snobbish old men with too much cybernetics. I think Russ would gain lots of influence really quickly as most of the Imperium's population and its military defects to him. Imagine if most of the Earths population was made up of devout Christians and Jesus would suddenly return. Would the people follow Jesus or Barack Obama and other world leaders?
It is the same for the other Primarchs. All of them are basically gods to the Imperium's population, so all of them would naturally have massive influence and following.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:
Haha you really think that if a single loyalist Primarch will return he will secede?
No matter how reluctant the High Lords are they'd have to give him authority and let him change almost as much as he'd like.

No they wouldn't, there was already tension between the primarchs and the High Lords even before the Heresy.

Personally, I think it'd be either Guilliman or the Lion. I think Russ would be belligerent, but in the end wouldn't have enough of a following to do any serious damage. Guilliman and the Lion are the ones who could rally the Imperium, and if the High Lords or Ecclesiarchy had any reservations there would be serious trouble. Sanguinius could rally the Imperium as well, but being the Mary Sue that he is I think he would work with the High Lords as much as possible and try to keep everything smooth.

I think Gulliman would work with the high lords as well. he seems more the type to work within the system and reform it, then to go renegade.

that said I think it's worth dividing the loyalist primarchs between "politicans" and ummm "not politicans" a primarch who is p;olitically inclined, like Gulliman, or maybe Dorn are apt to get involved with the running of the IoM. a Primarch like Russ? is more apt to just do his own thing and basicly play the role of a charismatic chapter master

Guilliman is an empire builder. He would want things to be done his way, without others telling him how he is supposed to run stuff. Even when the Emperor himself was still around Guilliman was already thinking about making his own seperate empire.
Also, Guilliman and Dorn were not the only politically minded Primarchs. Most of them were. Remember that most of them were planetary rulers before the Emperor arrived. Certainly Russ often concerned himself with politics, though he generally was too direct and confrontational to be a proper ruler of anything but a bunch of Vikings.

Where are you getting the bolded part from..?

Unremembered Empire

He didn't know if the Emperor was around or not. It was a contingency plan for if Terra had already fallen.