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I will say it here and now. Until I can get 2 Imperial Knights or 2 Wraithknights into my army, I will refuse to play against anyone who brings a Decurion Necron with Wraiths and Lychguards. The whole Codex is broken. Look at on Youtube. They beat even the Eldar. Why are people complaining about the Eldar so much and let this one slip? How? Look at the Storm of Silence result. 4 Necrons in top 10. Are you kidding me?

So seriously, why hasn't anyone talk about how OP Necrons are compared to Eldar? Necrons will beat you up even with casual lists. It's disgusting seeing people in friendly local gaming community bringing so much cheese onto the table because that is the BASIC for the Codex. Eldar can only do so if the player is TFG who tries really hard to win.

I take it you got beat pretty hard recently?

 krodarklorr wrote:
I take it you got beat pretty hard recently?

Said the guy who wins like 80-90% games with Necron.

Whilst there may have been 4 Necron players in the top 10 but remember they got beat by Orks (an army that people consider bottom-tier for some reason)

bibotot wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I take it you got beat pretty hard recently?

Said the guy who wins like 80-90% games with Necron.

Hey, I was asking a legitimate question. I actually felt bad last night while playing Necrons, and I used casual lists (No wraiths, no destroyers, used 2 Ctans in one game) and I still annihilated everything. It's not a fun feeling, even on the opposite end. Heck, two of my friends straight up won't play Necrons anymore.

I'll take Necrons or Skitaari over Wraithknights and Eldar psychic gak.

Played a Necron army at 1850 at a local tourney.

I actually think I would have won. I still had plenty of models left on the table because I was able to tie up a lot of units with fast moving CC guys.

But the Reanimation protocols are brutal. Every unit getting 4+ saves that NOTHING can cancel out?

At one point I had a group of 18 boys, a nob with power klaw, and a warboss with power claw jump on a unit of 20 Necron Warriors.

Straight up, just troops.

After all said an done with the armour saves and rolls on reanimation, I only killed maybe...5?

The power klaw is the trump for Orks. Our ol' faithful. Out of our entire codex the Klaw is probably the pin to our lynch. The only reliable thing that meant we could KILL something if we lived through it's first strikes. I've seen Klaw's do amazing things.

But when necron warriors shrug off a power klaw (okay, now a 4+ to a 5+; big D) it's a little ridiculous. Especially since I've taken down Riptides, ripped open Land Raiders, and cut down some pretty nasty HQ's

I lost because we ran out of time and his secondary added up more than mine. I think if we had more time I could have finished him off, but it would have honestly taken close to three or more turns just on swinging at reanimation protocols.

I liked the army, and the guy playing it. But if I knew I had to play more than one Necron army at an event, it would ruin it for me.

 jreilly89 wrote:
I'll take Necrons or Skitaari over Wraithknights and Eldar psychic gak.

Eh, depends. People's issue is the fact that what you have to kill a Wraithknight, will, in fact, kill the Wraithknight. What you have that can kill Necrons, doesn't necessarily kill Necrons.

Well, Necrons are pretty strong.
I've beaten Eldar pretty badly recently.
Decurion is hard to take down.
Lynchguard is not necessary.

 krodarklorr wrote:

bibotot wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I take it you got beat pretty hard recently?

Said the guy who wins like 80-90% games with Necron.

Hey, I was asking a legitimate question. I actually felt bad last night while playing Necrons, and I used casual lists (No wraiths, no destroyers, used 2 Ctans in one game) and I still annihilated everything. It's not a fun feeling, even on the opposite end. Heck, two of my friends straight up won't play Necrons anymore.

In fairness it did just seem like a snide comment. But no, it does affect both sides of the coin.

 wuestenfux wrote:

Lynchguard is not necessary.

Not necessary as in....what? Too much icing on the cake? Or they're not worth bringing?


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 ImAGeek wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

bibotot wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I take it you got beat pretty hard recently?

Said the guy who wins like 80-90% games with Necron.

Hey, I was asking a legitimate question. I actually felt bad last night while playing Necrons, and I used casual lists (No wraiths, no destroyers, used 2 Ctans in one game) and I still annihilated everything. It's not a fun feeling, even on the opposite end. Heck, two of my friends straight up won't play Necrons anymore.

In fairness it did just seem like a snide comment. But no, it does affect both sides of the coin.

I'm sorry if it came off that way, I was just asking, since I've usually felt like posting things similar to this after a bad game.

 jreilly89 wrote:
I'll take Necrons or Skitaari over Wraithknights and Eldar psychic gak.

not sure why Skitarii are even spoke of in the same breath as 'crons and eldar? are they really that good? I thought they where good but never really saw em as being that great unsupported

bibotot wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I take it you got beat pretty hard recently?

Said the guy who wins like 80-90% games with Necron.

Rule nr1 should be remembered, and he did ask a fair quiestion, perhaps work on your tactics?

You could say no more Space Marines, no more Tyranids, or no more Daemons too. Or even no more Orks.

Necrons aren't really any worse than any other army that is configured to be really tough.

I suggest that you just ask your opponent to tone it down, because you don't have the models to kill a Decurion -- just like, if someone fielded 5 Flyrants or spammed invisibility, you probably couldn't deal with that either.

There is nothing wrong with telling your opponent that you're not set up to take on their army.

 Talys wrote:
You could say no more Space Marines, no more Tyranids, or no more Daemons too. Or even no more Orks.

Necrons aren't really any worse than any other army that is configured to be really tough.

I suggest that you just ask your opponent to tone it down, because you don't have the models to kill a Decurion -- just like, if someone fielded 5 Flyrants or spammed invisibility, you probably couldn't deal with that either.

There is nothing wrong with telling your opponent that you're not set up to take on their army.

This. I've turned down games before simply because I don't think I could comfortably take it on without getting roflstomped. Open communication is a huge part of the game now.

yeah but you see the list before the game. This could mean wasting a ton of time just to see someone lists and getting no game. Worse if someone doesn't like you and just wants to waste your time, he can schedule and then just drop it no matter what list you bring.

Biggest problem with the decurian - no objective secured.

My issue with decurian though is that is makes all necron lists very similar and 5+ RP would have been awesome enough - 4+ is top much without the rerolling 1 stuff.

So far I have faired OK against necrons but thats mostly using new elder so cheese on cheese

I play Necrons. Since the new codex came out I practically tabled tyrands at 1k and lost heavily to Khorne + Kane formation at 2k. Necrons are impressived, but they are not invincible. Other than the basic warrior their toys are very, very expensive.

Hey, I just got defeated by a Necron decurion and don't feel the slightest bit sad, while it is rather strong you do have to understand that without it they are actually pretty balanced (bar wraiths).

 dragoonmaster101 wrote:
Hey, I just got defeated by a Necron decurion and don't feel the slightest bit sad, while it is rather strong you do have to understand that without it they are actually pretty balanced (bar wraiths).

Necrons are incredibly well balanced with the Decurion. I might actually have to run a CAD for awhile and see how that goes.

Necrons arent that hard to beat. I beat them with eldar 9/10 times. D scythe wraithguard will wreck entire units of necrons.

BrianDavion wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
I'll take Necrons or Skitaari over Wraithknights and Eldar psychic gak.

not sure why Skitarii are even spoke of in the same breath as 'crons and eldar? are they really that good? I thought they where good but never really saw em as being that great unsupported

Skitarii when combined with the Flesh Tearers Formation is insanely dirty. You put lots of cheap 5 and ten man squads with rapid firing Haywire Rifles or x3 shot Plasma Guns in them and then boost their BS to 7 on the turn they come down, it tables almost everything.

In regards to Necrons I can understand if you are frustrated about losing a game but I think freaking out like this is going overboard. Yes Necrons are strong, personally I think it fits the fluff more then anything that they are so tough to kill and at the same time represents a challenge that I would love to take on and see what I could do and try to beat it. Having played a few games against both the Decurion and Wraith Wall lists I have lost more then I have won and every game I lost I got that much closer to beating them because I changed up my lists and tactics significantly with my IG armies, my Tau seem to do the best thanks to the amount of Fire I can put out. So instead of raging and just refusing to play games (because it will affect you to not just the Necron player) think positively and take it as a learning experience to make yourself a better player.

^what he said^

 Xerics wrote:
Necrons arent that hard to beat. I beat them with eldar 9/10 times. D scythe wraithguard will wreck entire units of necrons.

Thats not saying much. Yes, lets all use a stupid unit to defeat Necrons. Oh wait, only Eldar have access to that stupid unit.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Xerics wrote:
Necrons arent that hard to beat. I beat them with eldar 9/10 times. D scythe wraithguard will wreck entire units of necrons.

Thats not saying much. Yes, lets all use a stupid unit to defeat Necrons. Oh wait, only Eldar have access to that stupid unit.

Well so do Dark Eldar...

Anyway, 'Crons are dirty but every army is dirty when players know what they're doing.

 Trondheim wrote:

bibotot wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I take it you got beat pretty hard recently?

Said the guy who wins like 80-90% games with Necron.

Rule nr1 should be remembered, and he did ask a fair quiestion, perhaps work on your tactics?

Oh boy, the "learn to play" post is already here!


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 Zippokovich wrote:
Biggest problem with the decurian - no objective secured.

My issue with decurian though is that is makes all necron lists very similar and 5+ RP would have been awesome enough - 4+ is top much without the rerolling 1 stuff.

So far I have faired OK against necrons but thats mostly using new elder so cheese on cheese

No Obj sec is hardly an issue when you just shoot any contesting units off the point next turn or sic Wraiths on them

lustigjh wrote:

 Trondheim wrote:

bibotot wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I take it you got beat pretty hard recently?

Said the guy who wins like 80-90% games with Necron.

Rule nr1 should be remembered, and he did ask a fair quiestion, perhaps work on your tactics?

Oh boy, the "learn to play" post is already here!

Broken game or not, when you're experiencing what OP is, how many options do you have? Really, you can get your panties in a bunch or you can git gud.
I play Nids in a predominantly Eldar meta, should I stop playing or experiment with how to better apply my units when faced with ranged D and the new psychic shenanigans?
Am I going to send my Flyrants against Wraithguard anymore? feth no. Wave Serpents on the other hand? It's open-season on them now.
The Eldar codex changed. Units that used to pose a big threat are now great targets, and vice-versa. As codexes change so should tactics, and that's all there is to it as far as I'm concerned.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

lustigjh wrote:

 Trondheim wrote:

bibotot wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I take it you got beat pretty hard recently?

Said the guy who wins like 80-90% games with Necron.

Rule nr1 should be remembered, and he did ask a fair quiestion, perhaps work on your tactics?

Oh boy, the "learn to play" post is already here!

Broken game or not, when you're experiencing what OP is, how many options do you have? Really, you can get your panties in a bunch or you can git gud.
I play Nids in a predominantly Eldar meta, should I stop playing or experiment with how to better apply my units when faced with ranged D and the new psychic shenanigans?
Am I going to send my Flyrants against Wraithguard anymore? feth no. Wave Serpents on the other hand? It's open-season on them now.
The Eldar codex changed. Units that used to pose a big threat are now great targets, and vice-versa. As codexes change so should tactics, and that's all there is to it as far as I'm concerned.

The problem with that mindset is that you're assuming any list can be reasonably beaten by any codex with minor changes in tactics. There's some merit to examining your tactics but waving off someone's complaints with "git gud" completely avoids answering the details of the issue.

I didn't mean to assume that any list can be beaten by tactics alone. There are lists that will beat other lists 10 times out of 10, but unless those are the only lists you're going up against, I don't see the point in throwing your hands in the air and giving up.
Even in an imbalanced matchup there is not only fun to be had, but there's still the chance to experiment and see how to better use your units for your next similar game.

The main problem with the decurion detachment is that most of the constructible lists within the formation smörgåsbord are strong and will crush other casual lists, even if one does not optimise them. Sure, you can play a minimalist reclamation legion and company it with Annihilation Nexuses, Star Gods and Death bringer flights, but I guess that would be rare.

When everyone is running harsh lists, the Necrons are no longer unbeatable, but still strong.

When it comes to getting good or complaining, one can do both. If one wants to play against tough things, like Necrons, you almost need to tighten your lists and gameplay if you care about having an even game. However, I do not see why one cannot complain about unfair things when there are so many balance discrepancies and codexes filled with terrible units.