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It's not GWs fault that in general people can afford less. However, if they expect to sell things to people who can afford less, they'll either need to price it competitively, or increase the quality of the product (rules, looking at you here...) or people will stop buying.

 Chute82 wrote:
Paints will be going up 25 cents a pot
Hobby tools 3~10% up in price
Glue up 35 cents
Spray paints up $1.25 a can
Aegis defense line will be $37
Realm of battle board going up to $330
Realm of battle board imperalis $363 June 1st

This is accoriding to my flgs

Hm...lets see.

Paint - Mostly use Valejo nowadays. Any GW paint I still have will just be used up and replaced by valejo alternative.
Hobby tools - got the big Citadel toolcase thrown in effectively for free with an ebay auction because I asked nicely. No damand there.
Glue - I use 1€ superglue. Get 5 tubes (1-2 ml each I think) that last me for ages.
Spray paints - huh, guess I'll see if I can get the spray cans from competitors now...? Got a big batch of DKoK waiting to be primed, let's see if army painter has something like dark grey...
ADL - uuh... okay?
Battleboard - because I'll definitely want to spend 300+€ on stuff I can build myself for a fraction of the price. May not look all that professional, but if it saves me 250 bucks im not omplaining.

The Army Painter sprays are great, I use them for everything bar WW2 where I use Plastic Soldier Company for the more appropriate colours.

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's not GWs fault that in general people can afford less. However, if they expect to sell things to people who can afford less, they'll either need to price it competitively, or increase the quality of the product (rules, looking at you here...) or people will stop buying.

We'll see soon what the rules are going to cost once WHFB 9th edition drops sometime this year. My guess it's going to cost $100 for the brb.

So yesterday I was on the phone with my GW rep. Since I own a business I'll share how this price increase affects me. Most of my products are discounted, most GW is by 10% (some competition within an hour away does 25%) So my first thought with paint increase was maybe I could keep it at $4.00. NOPE they increased my cost by .66 cents! WTF thats not even 55% of the cost anymore. If I keep it at $4.00 I'd only make around .50 Cents of profit per pot of paint. So unfortunately I have to increase the price to $4.25. So last night I started telling my customers to pick up as much GW paint as you can afford cause it will go up in price. So as I read this forum this morning something clicked in my head. Maybe this increase is to spike sales. Think about it, if you know something is going to go up in price and you kinda wanted it, wouldn't you buy as much as you can before it does? Now is the time and such. Anyways.

So effects on a young Business.
Paints: not my biggest seller since most customers buy my Reaper or Valejo line. Washes and Metallics are really the only pots that sale.
Tools: Army painter is cheaper and you can go to Hobby Lobby.
Brushes: HA! no one touches GW's. They buy reaper or go to Hobby Lobby.
Tables: I have 8' x 4" tables so wouldn't work, plus most people in DFW like the roll out mats.
Glue: neh not really bought, except by gw fan boys. GF9 and P3 are cheaper and same level. I never owned any GW glue till I opened up a store.
Spray Paint: Army Painter does the job.

So what hasn't been selling will continue not to sell, except for GW fan boys picking up what they don't have right before the price increase. The sting is the increase cost to the owners that is way more than the actual increase cost of the item.

So you could argue stop carrying GW. Look up Lonestar Comics. They had nine large locations in DFW. Several years ago the owner told GW he wanted a better discount, that he shouldn't have to keep paying such an increase of cost to his business. GW of course said no. He claimed if he didn't carry it GW would die in DFW. Hindsight it kinda did but not from that issue alone. So Lonestar Comics stopped carrying GW. They then took it a step to far and kicked out the GW players, if they didn't sell it, you couldn't play it there. 2 years ago Lonestar Comics closed all its doors and sold its inventory and lease to two different companies. Even my store is next to where a Lonestar Comics use to be.

 FSWG wrote:

So you could argue stop carrying GW. Look up Lonestar Comics. They had nine large locations in DFW. Several years ago the owner told GW he wanted a better discount, that he shouldn't have to keep paying such an increase of cost to his business. GW of course said no. He claimed if he didn't carry it GW would die in DFW. Hindsight it kinda did but not from that issue alone. So Lonestar Comics stopped carrying GW. They then took it a step to far and kicked out the GW players, if they didn't sell it, you couldn't play it there. 2 years ago Lonestar Comics closed all its doors and sold its inventory and lease to two different companies. Even my store is next to where a Lonestar Comics use to be.

Conversely look at miniaturemarket.com. So, yeah...

Conversely look at miniaturemarket.com. So, yeah...

No worries, I don't use any of this anyway.

So is this in Discussions because it's not news?


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sucks there paint is going up in price. I use badger most of the time but i still like using there paint as well.

I'd expect sales to fall again this year. I love the Adeptus Mech like a second cousin (seriously I've been waiting for this army since like 1994) but Adeptus Mech alone (even with the 2-3 codex shennanigans) can't possibly make up for the implosion of Fantasy and the disintigration of LotR/Hobbit sales.

I mean GW is pulling every short term trick they can to pump up 40k sales, a new edition after 2 years?? A new SM codex and Eldar codex after 2 years??

Unless the new Fantasy manages to catch or exceed the previous editions' sales they're in real trouble.

They'll pump up fantasy too it seems with 3 different variants, each sold seperately. So either Fantasy players will have to pay up...

Or drop out.

And the answer to that will decide if GW survives.

malfred wrote:So is this in Discussions because it's not news?


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Do try to keep up old man.

the only thing this will affect me on is the technical paints, which are the only new ones i buy anyway.

privateer4hire wrote:

 shasolenzabi wrote:
It is amazing watching GW digging their own grave with a garden trowel, inch by inch, year by year.

Another hundred years or so and they'll be kaput!

No, no, no! In another hundred years they've dug enough to wind up in New Zealand, they'll wind up in the loo at Battlefront Miniatures and yell "Brothers!!!"...

I'm curious if this is all or that there is more that is going up in price. Also curious whether this will also affect the UK and/or EU.

GW paint €3,20
Zombicide Armypainter paint €2,75
Vallejo paint €2,25

Honestly, the more expensive GW paint isn't that much of an issue if I need a specific color from GW, but I won't be buying the entire range (already bought the two Vallejo air brush ranges).

Realms of Battle getting more expensive is a pain imho, but that gives Tablescapes more of an opportunity to penetrate the market here in Europe... But the old RoB board is currently at discount cheaper then the Tablescapes tiles at discount (inc. shipping). The new one isn't, but not enough to make a huge difference (~10%).

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's not GWs fault that in general people can afford less. However, if they expect to sell things to people who can afford less, they'll either need to price it competitively, or increase the quality of the product (rules, looking at you here...) or people will stop buying.

It's not that people can afford less, they clearly have got money to spend... they're just not buying GW. Other companies are growing all over, this is not a shrinking market.

The Division Of Joy wrote:
I've never seen a forum so full of financial experts

As with most on here it's mainly stuff I don't use, although the new brushes are very good so might grab one or two this week.

I don't know about others but I'm in charge of about the annual revenue of GW as part of my day-to-day. Really, think about it; at some point the only people that will be able to afford GW products are people like me with fairly robust incomes.

I remember buying a whole squad of 5 metal Howling Banshees in a blister pack for $7.99

Those were the days.

ARE YOU FETHING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Oh no, oh no, there's NO WAY This can be right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope this does not follow through.

 Radiation wrote:

 Achaylus72 wrote:
Well in 2013/2014 GW suffered a 11.09 million pounds decline in sale wiping out the two previous years which were increased sales.

I have it on good authority that GW is bleeding 1.1 million pounds per 4 weeks in declining sales since the last full year financial report. GW is expected to announce a further 14.4 million pounds in decreased sales.

You gotta love GW a gift that keeps on giving

When do the stocks start falling?

When they are unable to pay dividends and the institutional investors, which own a majority of the shares, decide to bail.

 agnosto wrote:

 Radiation wrote:

 Achaylus72 wrote:
Well in 2013/2014 GW suffered a 11.09 million pounds decline in sale wiping out the two previous years which were increased sales.

I have it on good authority that GW is bleeding 1.1 million pounds per 4 weeks in declining sales since the last full year financial report. GW is expected to announce a further 14.4 million pounds in decreased sales.

You gotta love GW a gift that keeps on giving

When do the stocks start falling?

When they are unable to pay dividends and the institutional investors, which own a majority of the shares, decide to bail.

which then brings the BIG question: Are they gonna shut down if they don't get good sales out of this?

 Grimtuff wrote:

 FSWG wrote:

So you could argue stop carrying GW. Look up Lonestar Comics. They had nine large locations in DFW. Several years ago the owner told GW he wanted a better discount, that he shouldn't have to keep paying such an increase of cost to his business. GW of course said no. He claimed if he didn't carry it GW would die in DFW. Hindsight it kinda did but not from that issue alone. So Lonestar Comics stopped carrying GW. They then took it a step to far and kicked out the GW players, if they didn't sell it, you couldn't play it there. 2 years ago Lonestar Comics closed all its doors and sold its inventory and lease to two different companies. Even my store is next to where a Lonestar Comics use to be.

Conversely look at miniaturemarket.com. So, yeah...

You mean the company that doesn't sell GW?

 lord marcus wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 FSWG wrote:

So you could argue stop carrying GW. Look up Lonestar Comics. They had nine large locations in DFW. Several years ago the owner told GW he wanted a better discount, that he shouldn't have to keep paying such an increase of cost to his business. GW of course said no. He claimed if he didn't carry it GW would die in DFW. Hindsight it kinda did but not from that issue alone. So Lonestar Comics stopped carrying GW. They then took it a step to far and kicked out the GW players, if they didn't sell it, you couldn't play it there. 2 years ago Lonestar Comics closed all its doors and sold its inventory and lease to two different companies. Even my store is next to where a Lonestar Comics use to be.

Conversely look at miniaturemarket.com. So, yeah...

You mean the company that doesn't sell GW?

The company that does not sell GW is a company that GW probably does not know about.

That time of year already? I could practically mark it on my calendar by now. 'June. GW Price Increase'.

GW:



Man, am I so glad I got off that carousel.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
GW:



Man, am I so glad I got off that carousel.

Uh, what?

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:


Uh, what?

The ride never ends. (he is saying he got out of GW stuff)

This is good news.

Every time I buy Vallejo I can feel even more smug.

 Riquende wrote:
This is good news.

Every time I buy Vallejo I can feel even more smug.

How is this Good News???

I love GW.

ORicK wrote:
And the price per model for GW units is not even that high compared to most competitors.

Untrue.

Unless all the "most competitors" you know is Privateer Press.

Virtually everyone else is producing

a) high-quality resin models that are priced the same or a bit higher than GW plastics.
b) models cheaper than GW.

I swear watching GW is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
Their hobby supplies were already ridiculously expensive, far far higher than their competition.
"We're already bat gak crazy, might as well just go all the way!" - GW.

 lord marcus wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 FSWG wrote:

So you could argue stop carrying GW. Look up Lonestar Comics. They had nine large locations in DFW. Several years ago the owner told GW he wanted a better discount, that he shouldn't have to keep paying such an increase of cost to his business. GW of course said no. He claimed if he didn't carry it GW would die in DFW. Hindsight it kinda did but not from that issue alone. So Lonestar Comics stopped carrying GW. They then took it a step to far and kicked out the GW players, if they didn't sell it, you couldn't play it there. 2 years ago Lonestar Comics closed all its doors and sold its inventory and lease to two different companies. Even my store is next to where a Lonestar Comics use to be.

Conversely look at miniaturemarket.com. So, yeah...

You mean the company that doesn't sell GW?

Indeed.