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Bull0 wrote:Er, what? He said terrain should only block LOS and give cover and etc, and any magical shenanigans should be kept to a minimum. I was responding to that. The point that giving it more WFB-appropriate rules doesn't make it a WFB terrain piece is utterly prosaic, I didn't realise that needed debating.
My point was that offishul speshul rules slapped on it, whether for AoS, WFB, 40K, Ludo, or Hopscotch, shouldn't matter so much and shouldn't be the first thing that pops into some people's heads regarding it. Especially not as a selling point. That just says to me that GW is peddling the same old kool-aid with it's 'bold new vision', and people are just gobbling it down as usual. It's a pile a' bricks. It's a very pretty pile a' bricks, which should be the main selling point (and is for most, as far as I can see), but it's still a pile a' bricks. It shouldn't have that kind of focus on it.
Nobody buys a specific model of a ruined french farmhouse because it turns the rifles of any fire team inside it into machine guns or bazookas in Bolt Action. Nobody buys a specific Hirst Arts mould 'cos the wall you build from it officially turns KoW regiments into +3 combat berserkers if they hide behind it. People buy terrain because it looks nice, adds fluff and flavour to a tabletop, and adds some generic effects and tactical considerations. If people want to have a specific focus on a piece of terrain in their games, as an objective in a scenario, as causing a certain, non-standard effect if certain minis interact with it, with some possible suggestions by kind old Grandma Wendy, that's great! No problem here. But as official rules on a specific piece of terrain, that'll make your minis cause fear and kill the other guy's minis for you, if you promise to run out and buy a copy of the kit (or two, or five)... no. That's just not good. Don't care how much any of you shout about 'subjectivity' and 'forging the narrative' and 'run away to another game you hatur', it's the same old attempt at a chromed-up spendathon that GW ran the old game into the ground with, but more so. (it's a pile a' bricks!) It's another small sign, among others, that GW's walked up to gamers with a big-eyed, contrite look on it's metaphorical face, and an apparently quick-play, small buy-in skirmish game in one outstretched hand to say 'we're sowwy, we learned our lesson, we pwomise', but the other hand's behind it's back with a pair of firmly crossed fingers.
Not really sure what you're talking about, as there is no requirement that you use the special rules for any of this terrain, just as you don't need to treat any of the 40k terrain kits with their specific special rules if you just want a few LOS blocking buildings on the board instead.
Literally have no idea what your last sentence is meant to be saying. If you like the terrain, buy it, if you don't, don't.
There is no particular incentive to get an in game advantage as, even if you use the special rules, they would apply equally to either side.
You seem to disagree with terrain having very specific rules and then conflate that with a bunch of other generic GW complaints. Maybe take it to discussions.
Well, installed the AoS free app. got to download some warscrolls, and saw three of them locked. Turns out that if you want to download them, you have to buy the AoS book in-app.
So much for all the warscrolls being free... maybe they will still put them at their page for download?
I don't think the rules for new units are going to be uploaded for free like the compediums.
It does seems a bit clunky that you can only access them in app if you bought one of the new books also in app. Sucks for those who bought the hardback copies lol
Bye bye Dakkadakka, happy hobbying! I really enjoyed my time on here. Opinions were always my own :-)
Those 3 aren't unit warscrolls but what would be formations in 40k. The announcement of the App stated that the scrolls specifically from campaign books will not be in the App. Pretty certain that you won't get them to download for free from Games Workshop. Basically I find that ok since you get all the unit stats and stuff for free. What kinda annoys me though is that you do not get a code or something with the paper book to unlock the warscrolls in the app.
I prefer Codex books in iOS cause of the Hyperlinks for fast referece but campaign books are nice to have for the shelf ... but it is not compatible with the idea of the app.
Bull0 wrote:Er, what? He said terrain should only block LOS and give cover and etc, and any magical shenanigans should be kept to a minimum. I was responding to that. The point that giving it more WFB-appropriate rules doesn't make it a WFB terrain piece is utterly prosaic, I didn't realise that needed debating.
My point was that offishul speshul rules slapped on it, whether for AoS, WFB, 40K, Ludo, or Hopscotch, shouldn't matter so much and shouldn't be the first thing that pops into some people's heads regarding it. Especially not as a selling point. That just says to me that GW is peddling the same old kool-aid with it's 'bold new vision', and people are just gobbling it down as usual. It's a pile a' bricks. It's a very pretty pile a' bricks, which should be the main selling point (and is for most, as far as I can see), but it's still a pile a' bricks. It shouldn't have that kind of focus on it.
Nobody buys a specific model of a ruined french farmhouse because it turns the rifles of any fire team inside it into machine guns or bazookas in Bolt Action. Nobody buys a specific Hirst Arts mould 'cos the wall you build from it officially turns KoW regiments into +3 combat berserkers if they hide behind it. People buy terrain because it looks nice, adds fluff and flavour to a tabletop, and adds some generic effects and tactical considerations. If people want to have a specific focus on a piece of terrain in their games, as an objective in a scenario, as causing a certain, non-standard effect if certain minis interact with it, with some possible suggestions by kind old Grandma Wendy, that's great! No problem here. But as official rules on a specific piece of terrain, that'll make your minis cause fear and kill the other guy's minis for you, if you promise to run out and buy a copy of the kit (or two, or five)... no. That's just not good. Don't care how much any of you shout about 'subjectivity' and 'forging the narrative' and 'run away to another game you hatur', it's the same old attempt at a chromed-up spendathon that GW ran the old game into the ground with, but more so. (it's a pile a' bricks!) It's another small sign, among others, that GW's walked up to gamers with a big-eyed, contrite look on it's metaphorical face, and an apparently quick-play, small buy-in skirmish game in one outstretched hand to say 'we're sowwy, we learned our lesson, we pwomise', but the other hand's behind it's back with a pair of firmly crossed fingers.
Is GW forcing you to use the terrain rules and stopping you from not using them?
Those 3 are the ones from the campaign book. Maybe they were in the starter, too. Well as said those do not have unit rules in it but give a bonus to a preformed selection of units if taken as a group. You do not need them in any way to use your models. If you want them anyhow ... Just buy the book.
Still kinda pissed that the app ain't compatible with paper books. Might have to go full digital if this stays like is ;(.
Bull0 wrote:Er, what? He said terrain should only block LOS and give cover and etc, and any magical shenanigans should be kept to a minimum. I was responding to that. The point that giving it more WFB-appropriate rules doesn't make it a WFB terrain piece is utterly prosaic, I didn't realise that needed debating.
My point was that offishul speshul rules slapped on it, whether for AoS, WFB, 40K, Ludo, or Hopscotch, shouldn't matter so much and shouldn't be the first thing that pops into some people's heads regarding it. Especially not as a selling point. That just says to me that GW is peddling the same old kool-aid with it's 'bold new vision', and people are just gobbling it down as usual. It's a pile a' bricks. It's a very pretty pile a' bricks, which should be the main selling point (and is for most, as far as I can see), but it's still a pile a' bricks. It shouldn't have that kind of focus on it.
Nobody buys a specific model of a ruined french farmhouse because it turns the rifles of any fire team inside it into machine guns or bazookas in Bolt Action. Nobody buys a specific Hirst Arts mould 'cos the wall you build from it officially turns KoW regiments into +3 combat berserkers if they hide behind it. People buy terrain because it looks nice, adds fluff and flavour to a tabletop, and adds some generic effects and tactical considerations. If people want to have a specific focus on a piece of terrain in their games, as an objective in a scenario, as causing a certain, non-standard effect if certain minis interact with it, with some possible suggestions by kind old Grandma Wendy, that's great! No problem here. But as official rules on a specific piece of terrain, that'll make your minis cause fear and kill the other guy's minis for you, if you promise to run out and buy a copy of the kit (or two, or five)... no. That's just not good. Don't care how much any of you shout about 'subjectivity' and 'forging the narrative' and 'run away to another game you hatur', it's the same old attempt at a chromed-up spendathon that GW ran the old game into the ground with, but more so. (it's a pile a' bricks!) It's another small sign, among others, that GW's walked up to gamers with a big-eyed, contrite look on it's metaphorical face, and an apparently quick-play, small buy-in skirmish game in one outstretched hand to say 'we're sowwy, we learned our lesson, we pwomise', but the other hand's behind it's back with a pair of firmly crossed fingers.
I have TONS of 40k terrain. I buy the GW terrain for a few reasons:
1. It's themed. It's cool to have a consistent, themed terrain that looks like an Imperial city.
2. It's a modular system. the pieces work with each other and fit perfectly onto RoB boards, which are themed the same way. The Ophidian Arch follows in this tradition!
3. There is a LOT of variety and you can build very complex buildings
4. It's TALL. A lot of generic buildings are not very tall, which is a problem in 40k with tall models. GW buildings are 10-11" tall with a standard build, and can be bigger if you want. Plus they're multilevel for you to stand your infantry.
5. There are fortifications. A lot of them! And rules for fortifications. Wall of Martyrs is very cool.
6. My favorite maps are urban and fortifications.
Most of the terrain we don't play with special rules (like, a basilica administratum is just a building). The exception is fortifications, especially ones that have weapons, and "special" terrain like skyshield
To put it in another context, If I enjoyed historicals (I don't...), and a company made a bunch of kits that could be used to recreate the streets of Paris or Berlin, I would spend a lot of my time and money there. It would be more satisfying to me than going across generic sand or grass with hills, trees, farmhouses, etc.
If I played Fantasy Battle, I'm sure I'd have modelled most of the themed terrain; if I actually end up playing AoS any amount of time, I'm sure I'd model a lot of AoS terrain (but there aren't that many pieces yet).
streamdragon wrote: So we have quivers, with no bottoms, that magically don't spill the bolts all over the place because reasons.
The Emperor protects.
Wait, wrong game.
...actually...I'm not that sure anymore.
Let me try to help: This is Age of Sigmar, wherein the Emperor God Sigmar has created legions Stormhosts of specially engineered Space Marines Stormcast Eternals, during the First Founding First Striking. Each Stormhost is broken up into Chapters Warrior Chambers and within each Chamber are seven Companies Conclaves each with their own battlefield role. The purpose of the Stormhosts is to conquer the galaxy mortal realms and defeat Chaos to make the Emperor Sigmar the ruler over humanity and the mortal realms.
streamdragon wrote: So we have quivers, with no bottoms, that magically don't spill the bolts all over the place because reasons.
The Emperor protects.
Wait, wrong game.
...actually...I'm not that sure anymore.
Let me try to help: This is Age of Sigmar, wherein the Emperor God Sigmar has created legions Stormhosts of specially engineered Space Marines Stormcast Eternals, during the First Founding First Striking. Each Stormhost is broken up into Chapters Warrior Chambers and within each Chamber are seven Companies Conclaves each with their own battlefield role. The purpose of the Stormhosts is to conquer the galaxy mortal realms and defeat Chaos to make the Emperor Sigmar the ruler over humanity and the mortal realms.
streamdragon wrote: So we have quivers, with no bottoms, that magically don't spill the bolts all over the place because reasons.
The Emperor protects.
Wait, wrong game.
...actually...I'm not that sure anymore.
Let me try to help: This is Age of Sigmar, wherein the Emperor God Sigmar has created legions Stormhosts of specially engineered Space Marines Stormcast Eternals, during the First Founding First Striking. Each Stormhost is broken up into Chapters Warrior Chambers and within each Chamber are seven Companies Conclaves each with their own battlefield role. The purpose of the Stormhosts is to conquer the galaxy mortal realms and defeat Chaos to make the Emperor Sigmar the ruler over humanity and the mortal realms.
It's totally different from WH40K.
anyone who says its not similair to 40k is a fool at the same time, why not? 40k and space marine are pretty awesome and set a great standard, if AoS sigmarines are anything to go by the chaos warriors are going to be epic, aelfs are going to be epic, orruks are going to be epic... its all pretty good if you ask me... so they took something that is highly popular and sells REALLY well and used it in a setting that was not selling, I say kudos and good luck, I am not exactly a big sigmarine fan or a space marine one at that but I can see why they exist and why GW would try to mimic them in a fantasy setting.
40k fantasy is a good thing... I for one want to see their aelfs in ornate armour next, if sigmarines are the standard (like space marine are in 40k) the other models should all be epic...
I still dont understand why people dont understand this. They ARE marines. It is １００％ deliberate. It is also nothing new. Orcs and orks. Elves and eldar. Tomb kings and Necrons etc etc. Is it just that they have gone the other way this time? The marines have always been pretty fantasy based, Ultramarine Romans, White Scar Monguls etc. I feel like people are taking this a little too seriously. I laughed when i read about the mysterious lions chamber and that massive rocket launcher is just crazy enough that I am tempted to buy the new set. Needs a pair of kneeling legs though.
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