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There's the original list from Betrayal (Book 1).
This was then updated in the Crusade Army List red book with the units added in Massacre (Book 2) and Extermination (Book 3) along with some rules changes (not entirely sure what the exact changes are though, just that there's a few of them).

Then Tempest (Book 5) and now Retribution (Book 6) have added more units to that list, but don't actually include the full army list.

Hopefully the new Crusade Army List red book will include these new units along with the rules changes...

 Breotan wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

timd wrote:
Stormbird's vertical fins are supported only by the upper engines? Seems like a bit of a structural fail...

T

And a maintenance nightmare.

Pssst... the wings are also supported only by the engines. That's a bigger problem than the upper fins, I'm afraid.

Ack! You're right. The fail is not usually so strong with Forge World.

Much easier to design as opposed to their typical design of engine on top of, or under the wings?

T

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
There's the original list from Betrayal (Book 1).
This was then updated in the Crusade Army List red book with the units added in Massacre (Book 2) and Extermination (Book 3) along with some rules changes (not entirely sure what the exact changes are though, just that there's a few of them).

Then Tempest (Book 5) and now Retribution (Book 6) have added more units to that list, but don't actually include the full army list.

Hopefully the new Crusade Army List red book will include these new units along with the rules changes...

Correct, all the new units and changes to the old units will be rolled into a new Red book sometime this year. Solar Auxilia, Imperial Army and Knights get their own book and All the special characters and units are in a book together with updated rules.

Iron Circle are in the new Red Book that was sold on Saturday. Peturabo can take a min of 4 and max 6. They can also be taken for Iron Warrior Praetors/Consuls. Reason for that is because A) To help protect his generals B) To keep an eye on or kill his generals because he doesn't trust them. They should be on sale soon, roughly £60 each

Inferno late this year, Shadow Crusade early 2017 and possibly Signus late 2017 (not decided)

Thamor wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
There's the original list from Betrayal (Book 1).
This was then updated in the Crusade Army List red book with the units added in Massacre (Book 2) and Extermination (Book 3) along with some rules changes (not entirely sure what the exact changes are though, just that there's a few of them).

Then Tempest (Book 5) and now Retribution (Book 6) have added more units to that list, but don't actually include the full army list.

Hopefully the new Crusade Army List red book will include these new units along with the rules changes...

Correct, all the new units and changes to the old units will be rolled into a new Red book sometime this year. Solar Auxilia, Imperial Army and Knights get their own book and All the special characters and units are in a book together with updated rules.

Iron Circle are in the new Red Book that was sold on Saturday. Peturabo can take a min of 4 and max 6. They can also be taken for Iron Warrior Praetors/Consuls. Reason for that is because A) To help protect his generals B) To keep an eye on or kill his generals because he doesn't trust them. They should be on sale soon, roughly £60 each

Inferno late this year, Shadow Crusade early 2017 and possibly Signus late 2017 (not decided)

60 pounds for each set or each miniature?

MacMuckles wrote:

Thamor wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
There's the original list from Betrayal (Book 1).
This was then updated in the Crusade Army List red book with the units added in Massacre (Book 2) and Extermination (Book 3) along with some rules changes (not entirely sure what the exact changes are though, just that there's a few of them).

Then Tempest (Book 5) and now Retribution (Book 6) have added more units to that list, but don't actually include the full army list.

Hopefully the new Crusade Army List red book will include these new units along with the rules changes...

Correct, all the new units and changes to the old units will be rolled into a new Red book sometime this year. Solar Auxilia, Imperial Army and Knights get their own book and All the special characters and units are in a book together with updated rules.

Iron Circle are in the new Red Book that was sold on Saturday. Peturabo can take a min of 4 and max 6. They can also be taken for Iron Warrior Praetors/Consuls. Reason for that is because A) To help protect his generals B) To keep an eye on or kill his generals because he doesn't trust them. They should be on sale soon, roughly £60 each

Inferno late this year, Shadow Crusade early 2017 and possibly Signus late 2017 (not decided)

60 pounds for each set or each miniature?

They are based off the Domitar which cost £48 each. Iron circle have a little more detail plus a hammer and a big shield, so slightly more expensive


Blood Angels can add Assault Cannons to Predators... for free. Very cheap Predators

Hot damn only 10 more pounds and you'll get free shipping for a minimum sized squad.

Thamor wrote:
Solar Auxilia, Imperial Army and Knights get their own book

Did they show it at the event? If so, did anything change in the auxilia or militia lists?

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Hot damn only 10 more pounds and you'll get free shipping for a minimum sized squad.

I think the 4 min is only for Peturabo, not got that particular book with me though so might be wrong.

 Peregrine wrote:

Thamor wrote:
Solar Auxilia, Imperial Army and Knights get their own book

Did they show it at the event? If so, did anything change in the auxilia or militia lists?

Nothing was shown I'm afraid, Only told what was inside it. Knights do get the new GW ones included. A question was asked about Army and SA special characters and it's something they will get around to.

This blog has a bunch of pics up again including the physical version of the new Knight, TSons and SW upgrade sets as well as Leman Russ!

http://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.co.uk/

Based off those pics, Russ looks like he could be fantastic!

This is what Dakka looks like when people don't put massive images in spoilers for those of us on mobile platforms. Just sayin.

Thamor wrote:
I'm at home with book 6 now if anyone has any questions about the event or the book.

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet but I was speaking to Andy Hoare and Alan Bligh on the Saturday about how expensive the Assault Marines are (Blood Angel player), they told me that the Legion Army list will be getting redone and that the Assault marines will be getting a massive points reduction. A few other units will be getting some changes as well.

Has there been any updates to Death Guard in book 6?

Any new consuls?

I really hope Durak Rask can unlock phosphex like a siege breaker in the new edition. He was the legion's marshal of ordinance for crying out loud!

 Azreal13 wrote:
This is what Dakka looks like when people don't put massive images in spoilers for those of us on mobile platforms. Just sayin.

Then don't browse mobile?

I read recently as much as 1/2 of all web traffic is now from mobile devices.

Hot damn, I'd love to play against those Iron Circle models. Very excellent, FW.

 Zuul wrote:

Thamor wrote:
I'm at home with book 6 now if anyone has any questions about the event or the book.

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet but I was speaking to Andy Hoare and Alan Bligh on the Saturday about how expensive the Assault Marines are (Blood Angel player), they told me that the Legion Army list will be getting redone and that the Assault marines will be getting a massive points reduction. A few other units will be getting some changes as well.

Has there been any updates to Death Guard in book 6?

Any new consuls?

I really hope Durak Rask can unlock phosphex like a siege breaker in the new edition. He was the legion's marshal of ordinance for crying out loud!

Sadly not in book 6 unless it's hidden n code..but, Morty lost unwieldy and our power scythes don't suck anymore against anything above tac marines

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 Zuul wrote:

Thamor wrote:
I'm at home with book 6 now if anyone has any questions about the event or the book.

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet but I was speaking to Andy Hoare and Alan Bligh on the Saturday about how expensive the Assault Marines are (Blood Angel player), they told me that the Legion Army list will be getting redone and that the Assault marines will be getting a massive points reduction. A few other units will be getting some changes as well.

Has there been any updates to Death Guard in book 6?

Any new consuls?

I really hope Durak Rask can unlock phosphex like a siege breaker in the new edition. He was the legion's marshal of ordinance for crying out loud!

Sadly not in book 6 unless it's hidden n code..but, Morty lost unwieldy and our power scythes don't suck anymore against anything above tac marines

Wait, non-unwieldy power scythes!!?? O_O I know what my new favourite toy might be.

 BrookM wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
This is what Dakka looks like when people don't put massive images in spoilers for those of us on mobile platforms. Just sayin.

Then don't browse mobile?

But what else will I do while I drive? I need my Dakka fix!

And yeah, I second the spoilering of images-it sometimes takes awhile for the website to resize it.

Pictures of the Iron Circle for those who wanted them:

Sorry for the bad quality, screen-shotted from FB and the quality tanked a little...

I want those Iron Circle to become a 40k thing for my Cult Mechanicus.

They're like Bullgryn that don't suck!

Let us remember though:
They're 205 points each for 2 attacks and aren't mobile.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Let us remember though:
They're 205 points each for 2 attacks and aren't mobile.

Two attacks that become extras on 6s. it's not bad. Also, they give hardened armor to the IC that joins them if they are in b2b, so there's that.

What are the changes to Night Lords

 Swampmist wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Let us remember though:
They're 205 points each for 2 attacks and aren't mobile.

Two attacks that become extras on 6s. it's not bad. Also, they give hardened armor to the IC that joins them if they are in b2b, so there's that.

Two melee attacks that become extras on 6s, plus D3 HoW attacks.
The Olympia-Pattern Bolt Cannon is 5 shots--and they include Frag Grenades as well!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Swampmist wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Let us remember though:
They're 205 points each for 2 attacks and aren't mobile.

Two attacks that become extras on 6s. it's not bad. Also, they give hardened armor to the IC that joins them if they are in b2b, so there's that.

Two melee attacks that become extras on 6s, plus D3 HoW attacks.
The Olympia-Pattern Bolt Cannon is 5 shots--and they include Frag Grenades as well!

Plus they are pretty....Erh....I mean they look dead hard.

I thought it was just 3 shots.

While that does make them better, there's still the matter of them landing only one attack 50% of the time and not having a way to get to melee quicker.
HH is its own game though so I'm not sure how that works out. In 40k they're not spectacular.

I just had a silly idea. Attach a vigilator to the iron circle so they can outflank...... lol Would kinda defeat the purpose of them as body guards for a beat stick HQ. But haveing them outflank into the enemy deployment zone to play golf with the enemy tanks using their grav-hammers would be prety entertaining.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I thought it was just 3 shots.

While that does make them better, there's still the matter of them landing only one attack 50% of the time and not having a way to get to melee quicker.
HH is its own game though so I'm not sure how that works out. In 40k they're not spectacular.

D nerfs, LoW nerfs, less scoring and a fewer MCs certainly help them. Like, the biggest thing they do is let you walk around with 4-to-24 t7 Ablative wounds for Perturabo or another IC.

 Lockark wrote:
I just had a silly idea. Attach a vigilator to the iron circle so they can outflank...... lol Would kinda defeat the purpose of them as body guards for a beat stick HQ. But haveing them outflank into the enemy deployment zone to play golf with the enemy tanks using their grav-hammers would be prety entertaining.

I've been out of 40K for a few editions, and haven't kept up with 30K either, but are there characters that can teleport down that these could join.

 Theophony wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
I just had a silly idea. Attach a vigilator to the iron circle so they can outflank...... lol Would kinda defeat the purpose of them as body guards for a beat stick HQ. But haveing them outflank into the enemy deployment zone to play golf with the enemy tanks using their grav-hammers would be prety entertaining.

I've been out of 40K for a few editions, and haven't kept up with 30K either, but are there characters that can teleport down that these could join.

Sadly, that's not how the Deep Strike rules work... HOWEVER, it IS possible that Perturabo will get an update that let's them do so. Which would be dope as hell for my pincer strat, and sadly super abusable.