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Wonderwolf wrote:
What is it with dozens of people feeling the need to comment how they are not going to buy this?

Does this happen in threads about non-GW releases too?

Oh my yes. Certainly it happens in kickstarters, where there is actually changing information and circumstances about what you pledge, but even in regular New Release type threads there are people critical of products.

Oddly, I believe this thread has fewer people saying no thanks, and more genuine interest, than any GW release in a long time.

The last page on next Saturdays White Dwarf also seems to teaser the HH game, nothing new to be seen, there will be a gift in the next one (probably a pin as rumored).

It's not MKIII, though. How can I possibly enjoy Marine on Marine action without MKIII armor?

That's like decaffeinated coffee! It smells like coffee. It looks like coffee, but at the end of the day, my whiskey tastes horrible in it!

I do think they'll missed a trick if all the Marines in the set are from the same MkIV sprue we've seen. I'd have loved to have seen a sprue that had bits of everything from MkII-VI on it to do a properly mixed force, but at the very least I'd like there to be a MkIII and MkIV sprue in the set.

But all the rumours so far are saying just MkVI, aren't they?

Wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for the traitors to be using MK6 tho.. Also depends what time frame we're talking about in the Heresy. Just because the raven guard have MK6 doesn't mean the other legions do.

MK2-4 would have been nice instead of just one armor set..

Wait, you need other Marks than the IV?

 Azreal13 wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

Don't get me wrong, GW has a terrible track record, but it sounds like you're more letting their other decisions color your judgement of the HH plastic series than the product itself.

You're not wrong... but you can't separate the company from the IP. They're one and the same. The company decides how the IP is developed, marketed, and costed and I have no faith they'll do it or their customers right at this point.

Fair enough. I guess my point was just to sit back and watch it, don't write it off yet

You know what the definition of insanity is right?

Warboss has already voiced my own feelings, I've lost all enthusiasm for playing the game because it's got so daft I just don't enjoy it, and without the enthusiasm to play, there's no drive to buy models, if I'm painting then there's things I'd rather paint just for fun than 20 more Space Marines.

Add that to a massive gap in releases to accommodate Ago Of Space Marines and my enthusiasm for anything 40K or 40K related is at an all time low.

Even I'm surprised at my apathy towards this.

And I forgot I pre ordered Legacies Of Betrayal in MMPB, and it got dispatched yesterday and took me over my overdraft.

Whoops. Yeah, that is insanity. Well, aassuming this si a LE, you can always sell it for double the amount after it's sold out the first day.

Need? No, but some of the armor marks are associated more strongly with some legions than others.

 kronk wrote:
It's not MKIII, though. How can I possibly enjoy Marine on Marine action without MKIII armor?

That's like decaffeinated coffee! It smells like coffee. It looks like coffee, but at the end of the day, my whiskey tastes horrible in it!

Typical noisy clanky Fists. Need to use Mk IV and Mk VI - much quieter and faster...



Though, it does mean I don't need much in the way of Mk IV now

Though, I do need Mk II for my White Scars...


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Kirasu wrote:Wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for the traitors to be using MK6 tho.. Also depends what time frame we're talking about in the Heresy. Just because the raven guard have MK6 doesn't mean the other legions do.

MK2-4 would have been nice instead of just one armor set..

Ahem...

The Wise Dane wrote:Wait, you need other Marks than the IV?

No, but some legions seem to look better and prefer to use certain Marks over others:

Raven Guard: Mk VI
Alpha Legion: Mk IV/VI
Death Guard/Imperial Fist/Iron Warriors: MK III
White Scars: Mk II

Mixing and matching is fun and makes a more characterful unit I think. Units with some older marks (the veterans/only armour they had spare) along with the newer marks (recruits). Just working on doing Mk IV breachers at the minute using the square boarding shields and destroyer helmets

I'm excited for HH. Don't get me wrong, I play 40k not 30k, but the HH minis are delicious. If the prices aren't the equivalent of a new house, I may pick up some.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Need? No, but some of the armor marks are associated more strongly with some legions than others.

Well sure, if you are playing Fists or Warriors, it'd make much sense, but for most of the other legions, only the Maximus does it for me. Sectioned armour plates, protected abdomen and a nice, not-goofy helmet is all I need.

 The Wise Dane wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Need? No, but some of the armor marks are associated more strongly with some legions than others.

Well sure, if you are playing Fists or Warriors, it'd make much sense, but for most of the other legions, only the Maximus does it for me. Sectioned armour plates, protected abdomen and a nice, not-goofy helmet is all I need.

My trouble is that if I get this, at least one half will be becoming a force made from the Remnants of Istvaan IV, and thus, I want a very scavenged, ragtag look to them all. Having the whole lot in what I think looks like the 'cleanest' armour, and moreover, all the same armour, doesn't do much for me. I love the variety you can get from the mix of marks in the new Tactical set, so I'd love to see something like that for the earlier mark.

Don't get me wrong, I love MkIV and I think it looks awesome for the likes of Emperor's Children, Ultramarines, Blood Angels or Alpha Legion, but I can't see it looking too fitting for the more 'down to earth' legions like Imperial Fists, World Eaters, Death Guard or Iron Hands.

As to the Alpha Legion, well since they actually fought the Raven guard on their planet then a small amount of MK6 armor would make sense.

Obviously there are exceptions but the vast majority of Horus heresy marines had no access to MK6 and most were still in 2 and 3 with 4 replacing the older versions.

 zedmeister wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
So what are we guessing for price? I'm betting something like $150US.

Yeah, I reckon, about £90. My guess on the contents would be:

20-40 Legionaires (Enough to make 2-4 Veteran Squads with Heavy and Special Weapons)
2 Contemptors
10 Cataphract Terminators
2 Praetors
2 Transfer Sheets
Quickstart or variant Rulebook
Background Book
Templates
Dice
Box
Shrink Wrap

There'll be some limited edition moneyraker edition, but this being GW, expect a variant box. If they put in a limited mini with the release, this'll be off the hook!

May the Emprah hear you, Brother!

I'm torn between watching the internet continue to speculate (per usual) and posting pictures I took of my box and its contents.

blackforge wrote:
I'm torn between watching the internet continue to speculate (per usual) and posting pictures I took of my box and its contents.

<--- Makes his sense motive check.

Sure thing.

 Kirasu wrote:
As to the Alpha Legion, well since they actually fought the Raven guard on their planet then a small amount of MK6 armor would make sense.

Obviously there are exceptions but the vast majority of Horus heresy marines had no access to MK6 and most were still in 2 and 3 with 4 replacing the older versions.

I think it said in HH 3 that alpha legion copied the design and produced it themselves.

 Zuul wrote:


I think it said in HH 3 that alpha legion copied the design and produced it themselves.

Not so much copied as pilfered the early design schematics!

I'm sure Alpha Legion has an Mechanicus-type planet squirled away some where, churning out whatever STC templates they've found.

 kronk wrote:
I'm sure Alpha Legion has an Mechanicus-type planet squirled away some where, churning out whatever STC templates they've found.

A Mechanicus type planet? This is the Alpha Legion... they have all the Mechanicus planets, and all the other ones to boot, it's just that nobody's noticed yet!

 Mymearan wrote:
Demons aren't xenos, they're demons! Otherwise Ordo Malleus and Ordo Xenos would be the same.

Deamons are a non imperial force in 30k and at that point they thought the deamons were extra dimensional Xenos, it wasn't until the heresy kicked off proper that they realised what the deamons actually are, so yes, you can easily play non imperial armies in 30k, eldar would be almost identical, orks would be identical, tau and nids wouldn't be there (except maybe nids possibly), dark eldar existed but not in the capacity we know them as now, so I'd say no dark eldar yet, no chaos marinea obviously, so that leaves us with the following armies that easily fit into 30k

Orks
Eldar
Imperial guard
Deamons
Advanced Xenos (tau)
Renegades and heretics
Pirates and raiders (dark eldar, corsairs)
Solar auxilia
Legions
Mechanicum
Adeptus mechanicus
Skitarii

Saying there are no Xenos armies in 30k totally ignores the fluff and the game itself, the Eldar were well known for fighting the Warmasters forces during the heresy and orks were everywhere.

 Formosa wrote:


... the Eldar were well known for fighting the Warmasters forces during the heresy and orks were everywhere.

That's a very good point. It'd be interesting to see if Forgeworld do something along the lines of the liberation of Stygies VIII

Fulgrim and Eldrad didn't exactly have a tea party.

Also, the interex were an interesting bunch!

dark eldar existed but not in the capacity we know them as now, so I'd say no dark eldar yet,

Well, IIRC there was a Space Wolves story set during the Crusade or Heresy that featured Dark Eldar. Also note that Angron and Lorgar were also fighting some Eldar raiders who really seemed like Dark Eldar.

no chaos marinea obviously,

I can imagine some of the Traitor marines changing into Chaos marines during the Heresy, especially Legions such as the Word Bearers, but also those with Daemon Primarchs like the World Eaters and Emperor's Children. The Sons of Horus also had their own possessed units, and the Death Guard had some nurgle infected marines as well around that era.

The Emperor's Children were pretty "far out there" during the early stages of the Heresy.

 kronk wrote:
The Emperor's Children were pretty "far out there" during the early stages of the Heresy.

Their fleet travelled far from Terra to enforce compliance?

 warboss wrote:

 kronk wrote:
The Emperor's Children were pretty "far out there" during the early stages of the Heresy.

Their fleet travelled far from Terra to enforce compliance?

Sonic Implants

Beginning the Slaanesh worship

Dicking around with the gene seed

Fulgrim briefly being possessed

You know, "out there".

Take it with a grain of salt, my local GW manager said apparently the (28mm scale of course) Horus Heresy Starter Set will have "2 sides" in the box, equipped the same, no specific legions either (generic), there is 20 preheresy marines, 5 preheresy termies, 1 preheresy dread, 1 praetor (for each side, although you don't have to make 2 sides! (since they are the same/generic minis!), and a booklet entitled "Age of Darkness," plus a rule book, dice, templates, and some sort of dataslates or cards for the models. This jives with earlier rumors seen here and else where!

 kronk wrote:
The Emperor's Children were pretty "far out there" during the early stages of the Heresy.

By Isstvan 5, most of the Pride of the Emperor had fully turned and began using sonic weapons. Source: Fulgrim

So in total that's 40 Marines, 10 Termies, 2 Dreads and 2 Praetors? That's either going to be pricey, or if it's priced the same as the AoS starter/DV, an absolute steal...

Haven't we seen the sprue for the Praetor that has both a Terminator and Power Armour one, though? Rather than identical minis?

If that's true, though, sounds like the start of a very neat force. Buy the box, add in your Legion special unit of choice from FW, and a transport or two and you've got most of an army.