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2015/11/02 19:32:58
Subject: Re:Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
shade1313 wrote: And now, seeing the plastic Contemptor right next to a resin one (blinged out Emperor's Children version), and I continue to think to myself, "What the feth is everyone's problem with it?"
Monopose? Okay, I can sympathize with that, but other than that? Not seeing why people act like it's terrible.
Most people aren't acting like it's terrible, just saying that it's not as good as they expected and/or hoped for, due to the monopose legs and the sacrifices in detail made for the sake of fewer parts.
Unfortunately, most negative comments these days immediately get taken as 'hating', and it's impossible for someone to dislike aspects of something without being apoplectic with rage.
In a set that includes multi-part marines and multi-part terminators, the decision to build such a basic kit for the dreadnought is a weird one, and it lets the kit down. If it had been included in a Dark Vengeance-style starter with push-together miniatures, it wouldn't have looked so out of place.
It's refreshing that someone has actually read what people were complaining about.
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2015/11/02 19:55:56
Subject: Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
Tagony wrote: Ah ok, thanks again! I'm really new to 30k obviously but those models are just so dang enticing. It will be odd doing my dark angels in all black.
Oh man they look bloody good though:
2015/11/02 19:56:20
Subject: Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
2 HQs (1 power armor leader with jump pack & 1 termie), 2 Elites (5 termies & 1 dread), 2 troops (of 10 each), & 1 fast (10 troops converted to assualt with jump packs)....
Just a rough base point for all this?
Is 1000 points about right?
Bare naked, you're looking at about 1100-1200 points. It really depends on which Rite Of War you take. If you go with Pride Of The Legion, you can make 3 Veteran Tact squads and Termies, all of which are troops. Or you can go with 2x 15man Tact squads.
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2015/11/02 20:03:16
Subject: Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
shade1313 wrote: And now, seeing the plastic Contemptor right next to a resin one (blinged out Emperor's Children version), and I continue to think to myself, "What the feth is everyone's problem with it?"
Monopose? Okay, I can sympathize with that, but other than that? Not seeing why people act like it's terrible.
Most people aren't acting like it's terrible, just saying that it's not as good as they expected and/or hoped for, due to the monopose legs and the sacrifices in detail made for the sake of fewer parts.
Unfortunately, most negative comments these days immediately get taken as 'hating', and it's impossible for someone to dislike aspects of something without being apoplectic with rage.
In a set that includes multi-part marines and multi-part terminators, the decision to build such a basic kit for the dreadnought is a weird one, and it lets the kit down. If it had been included in a Dark Vengeance-style starter with push-together miniatures, it wouldn't have looked so out of place.
It's refreshing that someone has actually read what people were complaining about.
End of the year at the earliest, though chances are not until some time next year.
It will contain rules for the Dark Angels, Blood Angels, White Scars, Black Shields and Garro's band of paladins.
At the 40k open day a couple of weekends ago it was confirmed that book 6 (Retribution) has been pushed back to early 2016.
there is some speculation it will be out at the Horus Heresy weekender in Feb.
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2015/11/02 20:31:51
Subject: Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
shade1313 wrote: And now, seeing the plastic Contemptor right next to a resin one (blinged out Emperor's Children version), and I continue to think to myself, "What the feth is everyone's problem with it?"
Monopose? Okay, I can sympathize with that, but other than that? Not seeing why people act like it's terrible.
Most people aren't acting like it's terrible, just saying that it's not as good as they expected and/or hoped for, due to the monopose legs and the sacrifices in detail made for the sake of fewer parts.
Unfortunately, most negative comments these days immediately get taken as 'hating', and it's impossible for someone to dislike aspects of something without being apoplectic with rage.
In a set that includes multi-part marines and multi-part terminators, the decision to build such a basic kit for the dreadnought is a weird one, and it lets the kit down. If it had been included in a Dark Vengeance-style starter with push-together miniatures, it wouldn't have looked so out of place.
It's refreshing that someone has actually read what people were complaining about.
It's an elegant get-out and I didn't rise to it the first time but seriously, not everyone just dismissed what you were saying as "haters gonna hate". I addressed this specific point that I think it's weird how you're ragging on it for being monopose when it's a starter box model and you didn't come back on that, you just did this "It'd be nice if people actually bothered to read the complaints" thing. I decided to just let it drop at that point but if you're going to keep saying it then I will have to object.
Dead account, no takesy-backsies
2015/11/02 20:34:10
Subject: Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
There's going to be a fair amount in it so I'm not overly surprised it's been pushed back; rules for Blood Angels, Dark Angels and White Scars, rules for Shattered Legions and Black Shields, a crap tonne of new Rites of Wars for all legions, and I think there was mention of some of the worse units (such as Justaerin, Pheonix Guard, Kakophonie) being updated too.
2015/11/02 20:35:31
Subject: Re:Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
Any pics of the full release list for preorders for this week? I'm mostly interested in any Horus Heresy books that might be released at the same time...
2015/11/02 20:35:56
Subject: Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
shade1313 wrote: And now, seeing the plastic Contemptor right next to a resin one (blinged out Emperor's Children version), and I continue to think to myself, "What the feth is everyone's problem with it?"
Monopose? Okay, I can sympathize with that, but other than that? Not seeing why people act like it's terrible.
Most people aren't acting like it's terrible, just saying that it's not as good as they expected and/or hoped for, due to the monopose legs and the sacrifices in detail made for the sake of fewer parts.
Unfortunately, most negative comments these days immediately get taken as 'hating', and it's impossible for someone to dislike aspects of something without being apoplectic with rage.
In a set that includes multi-part marines and multi-part terminators, the decision to build such a basic kit for the dreadnought is a weird one, and it lets the kit down. If it had been included in a Dark Vengeance-style starter with push-together miniatures, it wouldn't have looked so out of place.
It's refreshing that someone has actually read what people were complaining about.
It's an elegant get-out and I didn't rise to it the first time but seriously, not everyone just dismissed what you were saying as "haters gonna hate". I addressed this specific point that I think it's weird how you're ragging on it for being monopose when it's a starter box model and you didn't come back on that, you just did this "It'd be nice if people actually bothered to read the complaints" thing. I decided to just let it drop at that point but if you're going to keep saying it then I will have to object.
Nope, I came back on that, as I have done multiple times. It's not a starter box. The contemptor is the only model in the box that's monopose, save the two characters. I've said before, if the rest of the box were monopose it wouldn't be a big deal, but everything else being proper kits makes it disappointing that the Contemptor isn't.
2015/11/02 20:37:25
Subject: Re:Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
ADarke wrote: Any pics of the full release list for preorders for this week? I'm mostly interested in any Horus Heresy books that might be released at the same time...
Can't help you with pictures.
However, you can read the Black Library thread for HH books.
OK, I must've missed your response if you did in fact reply to me at the point beyond the "It'd be nice if people bothered to read what I have to say" post. So, fair enough. If you had, though, you'd realise that I specifically said that I think it's totally perverse to be more unhappy about the dreadnought being monopose when the rest of the box isn't - like the fact that the rest of it is better means it's even worse that this bit is as expected. Seriously? I think that's cray. "Thanks so much for all the ferraris, I just have to say that I'm really disappointed that there's a ford escort over here too, it's terrible". Get real.
And it's totally a starter box. It's a big bundle deal of flashy minis at a reduced price to use as a customer recruiting tool for stores. I love the idea that putting some rules for some half-arsed boardgame in there changes that. Talk about pedantic.
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Dead account, no takesy-backsies
2015/11/02 20:44:06
Subject: Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
When I say it's not a starter box, I mean it's not a box like Dark Vengence, or whatever. Ya know, where all the models are monopose.
I don't get what your issue is with me being dissapointed with the Contemptor because it isn't posable like the rest of the box is..? It's not about the rest of it being better making the dreadnought worse, it's about the rest of it being better just highlighting the fact that I'm not keen on the monopose dread. We're the rest of it worse I might not have noticed so much. It's not even that I don't like the dread, it's that I'm a bit dissapointed with it next to the rest of the kit. You know, like I've said more than once.
2015/11/02 20:45:11
Subject: Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
5x Terminators in Cataphractii Armour Dread with Assault Cannon
2x 15 Tactical Marines, Power Weapon on Sergeant
Comes to around 1150 points, it could probably come closer to 1300 if you ran them as Tactical Veteran/Support Squads and added more extras.
Wonderful! Thank you. I was trying to decide wether to buy 1 or 2 boxes, or just 1 & then some FW vehicles to transport them. Thanks!
Personally, if I were using this as a basis for a full HH army, I'd do it roughly like this:
1 box of this set, built as:
2x10 Tacticals 2x5 Tactical Support (one with full specials, 1 with full heavies. You'll need to convert/trade/buy a couple of extra guns, though)
Termies as standard Dread with weapons of choice
Then add, from FW: Your Legion's special unit, as there's no point playing a HH army if you can't have the cool toys! A couple of Rhinos (might be worth waiting to see if GW comes out with plastic ones, as they're a likely candidate for plastification, I'd think) A Land Raider for the Termies or Special Unit (a standard GW one will do, as they were definitely around in 30k) OR a Spartan if you're wanting something massive
And if you've got any budget left, a Primarch. With the 25% Lord of War limit, and most Primarchs being around 500-600 points I think, you basically want to build an army to 1500 before you add a Primarch.
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2015/11/02 20:47:41
Subject: Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
I don't have an "issue" with your opinion, I just wanted to discuss how I thought it was a weird place to be coming at the set from and at the time you dismissed it as "People should bother to read the complaints". Which is faintly ironic - you complaining about people dismissing your POV was in turn dismissive of mine, which is what I took issue with.
Dead account, no takesy-backsies
2015/11/02 20:50:12
Subject: Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
Any 40kSM players, would this be a decent way to start an army? If, of course, one was not going Bikes, because that would be something completely different.
Would this be a decent start if I just wanted to start a Codex SM force? Or maybe a Dark Angels Greenwing?
2015/11/02 20:52:44
Subject: Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
I wasn't dismissive of yours at all (on purpose), maybe I misread, but I definitely didn't get the impression that you wanted to discuss anything.
To be honest at that point I was fairly annoyed at someone saying I was 'turning the forum into a pit of despair' because I (and others) wasn't as happy with the Contemptor as they. The 'people should read complaints' wasn't aimed at you, it was much more general.
But I apologise if it seemed like I was dismissing you.
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2015/11/02 20:53:44
Subject: Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
Bull0 wrote: I don't have an "issue" with your opinion, I just wanted to discuss how I thought it was a weird place to be coming at the set from and at the time you dismissed it as "People should bother to read the complaints". Which is faintly ironic - you complaining about people dismissing your POV was in turn dismissive of mine, which is what I took issue with.
Have you had the last word yet? Can we all just get on with being allowed to have differing opinions now and move on?
There’s a difference between having a hobby and being a narcissist.
2015/11/02 20:56:19
Subject: Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
Requizen wrote: Any 40kSM players, would this be a decent way to start an army? If, of course, one was not going Bikes, because that would be something completely different.
Would this be a decent start if I just wanted to start a Codex SM force? Or maybe a Dark Angels Greenwing?
If I was just starting 40k or I was starting a new 40k army, I would get one. It is a very good value and you'll have the bodies to make just about any infantry you want.
You'll need to buy the vehicles you want, and may need to bitz order some things to fill out the individual squads.
-frank
2015/11/02 20:59:40
Subject: Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth - Leaked Pics!
5x Terminators in Cataphractii Armour
Dread with Assault Cannon
2x 15 Tactical Marines, Power Weapon on Sergeant
Comes to around 1150 points, it could probably come closer to 1300 if you ran them as Tactical Veteran/Support Squads and added more extras.
Wonderful! Thank you. I was trying to decide wether to buy 1 or 2 boxes, or just 1 & then some FW vehicles to transport them. Thanks!
Personally, if I were using this as a basis for a full HH army, I'd do it roughly like this:
1 box of this set, built as:
2x10 Tacticals
2x5 Tactical Support (one with full specials, 1 with full heavies. You'll need to convert/trade/buy a couple of extra guns, though)
Termies as standard
Dread with weapons of choice
Then add, from FW:
Your Legion's special unit, as there's no point playing a HH army if you can't have the cool toys!
A couple of Rhinos (might be worth waiting to see if GW comes out with plastic ones, as they're a likely candidate for plastification, I'd think)
A Land Raider for the Termies or Special Unit (a standard GW one will do, as they were definitely around in 30k)
OR a Spartan if you're wanting something massive
And if you've got any budget left, a Primarch. With the 25% Lord of War limit, and most Primarchs being around 500-600 points I think, you basically want to build an army to 1500 before you add a Primarch.
Most excellent Paradigm! You read my mind! Thanks again for the advice. I was leaning towards Raven Guard or Dark Angels (since I started with DA back in Rogue Trader times!) A bit nostalgic for me.
