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**Silent Puffin?**

ArtIsGreat wrote:
Troglodytes, dwarves and gnomes kind of all look alike,

The models, or at least the renders, all look distinct though.

**xowainx**

Nah, it's not worth it.

**cerealkiller195**

I guess you can say that but it all of them were painted and not just renders it would be different. You could say th same about most armies/chapters of space Marines or even bolt action armies. In renders and no colors everything looks about the same... Watching intently not on board yet but that's only because I would need someone to play against

**ArtIsGreat**

Space marines look exactly alike and bolt action armies are all human, those are the worst examples ever!

Japan should be halflings, because they are best at sneak attacks :-)

**infinite_array**

ArtIsGreat wrote:
Space marines look exactly alike and bolt action armies are all human, those are the worst examples ever!

Japan should be halflings, because they are best at sneak attacks :-)

I thought, for a moment, that Japan should be ratmen (you know, tunneling and all that).

And then I realized that was a pretty terrible though.

**agnosto**

Wow, I'm glad that I read this thread before I backed. Thanks all who posted about the outstanding issues! I dodged this bullet.

**AlexHolker**

If the Japanese-equivalent are going to be goblins, I wonder whether they will draw inspiration from the Tengu.

**Silent Puffin?**

agnosto wrote:
I dodged this bullet.

Assuming that there is a bullet.

**agnosto**

Silent Puffin? wrote:
agnosto wrote:
I dodged this bullet.

Assuming that there is a bullet.

There's an easily established track record combined with someone posting conflicting information (I'm not a Director even though my professional profile says that I am but I am part owner in the company in question through owning stock). Even if it weren't all of that, I'd shy away because the company in question is designated as the manufacturer...a company that is apparently unable to produce product that they themselves have been paid for; there's less guarantee here than usual with a KS just from that. If I back and the people running this, related to the questionable company, in good faith pay Prodos to produce their minis but they never actually are produced, I'm in the same boat as if it were Prodos running the KS from the beginning.

Nah, I'll hang onto the money and see if this stuff ever hits retail.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Designing the Troglodytes - An analysis!

Posted by Hysterical Games

Hello all!

So, whilst the sculptors are working on getting the Troglodyte Command sculpted up, we thought you might like to see where the journey has come from.

Troglodyte Partizan, from the original Panzerfäuste Rulebook (1998) Troglodyte Partizan, from the original Panzerfäuste Rulebook (1998)

Many moons ago, a little black and white book was published, alongside a small range of Pewter figurines for Panzerfäuste from Wessex Games. Inside the original rulebook were a few basic sketches, to show what each race should look like. As you can see above, the Troglodytes were hairy, horned and rat-tailed. They were also exclusively Partisans... They are a bit different now, let me explain how we have come to this point.

A few years after this book came out, John Bell, a fan of the game, drew his own interpretation!

Troglodyte Fan art from John Bell Troglodyte Fan art from John Bell

The Troglodytes form the 'Polish' of Panzerfäuste, they are fighting a war against Dwarven invaders, in their mountainous home of Torg Baraz - an ancient Dwarf stronghold. We wanted to expand beyond them being purely partisans and gave them a deeply Eastern European, Slavic, flavour.

So, we found Will Beck, our lead artist. We gave him a brief and some rough outlines of what we wanted from the Trogs and away he went creating this enigmatic race.

Will's first page of sketches. Will's first page of sketches.

At this stage, I was still thinking that they should be near-enough all partisans. As you can see, the silhouette came quite easily. We actually had the idea that when they are underground, their eyes stretch open for the light, but they squint when they are above ground or in bright conditions.

Just so you can see how Will works, amazing referencing!

Surrounded by imagery from historical books, photographs from the internet and our random notes about the sizes of Troglodyte ears - Will started drawing the Troglodyte Infantry.

We think that the Troglodytes have ended up as one of the most characterful factions. With fabulous concept art, and wonderful sculpts (being worked on), we can see that they will shape up to be a great faction - all thanks to Will's excellent work!

Here's some of the renders that the sculptors have sent us this week for the Troglodytes.

NCO

Sniper

Radio Technician

As you can see, truly awesome concept art can lead to some truly awesome renders, which will lead to awesome models!

We hope you like what you see!

Let us know!
Cheers
Steve and Rob - Hysterical Games

**Warzone Resurrection**

Hi all, Prodos here just to be clear, Prodos is providing services of 3D and casting to several customers. One of them is Hysterical Games, and at this stage this is the only connection with us. Rob is our employee, same as Mark from World Forged Games (Devil's Run KS) was our business partner.
In bouh cases, Rob and Mark, wanted to find their own way into miniatures business, aside from Prodos.

As for fulfilling our own KS, the story is long, but to cut it to something short, we are providing services to make profit to cover waves of shipping we have committed to on AvP KS. The delays in development and several changes during development process went with costings beyond our expectations and now we are fixing it.

Regardless of what you may think about Prodos, without our services, more than 12 KS would be in deep trouble with miniatures casting.

**CptJake**

There is a difference between Rob IS a current employee and Mark WAS a business partner. A current employe/stockholder/self claimed director running a KS for a different company and trying to downplay his connections is shady. Especially as he has actively been the mouth piece for Prodos.

**Warzone Resurrection**

CptJake wrote:
There is a difference between Rob IS a current employee and Mark WAS a business partner. A current employe/stockholder/self claimed director running a KS for a different company and trying to downplay his connections is shady. Especially as he has actively been the mouth piece for Prodos.

Hi CptJake, just to straighten up the facts: Mark WAS our business partner when he was running his KS, however post KS, decided to leave the company and fulfill his KS (Devil's Run) on his own. In fact, not sure how he is going to managed with his wife casting 14k models, but that was his decision and it's his problem now.

**CptJake**

And the passive aggressive attack against a guy who did cut free from you.

Stay classy Prodos.

**Silent Puffin?**

CptJake wrote:
And the passive aggressive attack against a guy who did cut free from you.

Stay classy Prodos.

Can you please go and spam somewhere else, perhaps in one of the other threads specifically dedicated to Prodos games?

I have been having a look at what little information there is on the Internet regarding the original Panzerfauste and it seems that the USSR are Dark Elves, USA are light Elves and Italians(its hard to tell due to the poor quality of the sculpts) are ratmen.

**CptJake**

Silent Puffin? wrote:
CptJake wrote:
And the passive aggressive attack against a guy who did cut free from you.

Stay classy Prodos.

Can you please go and spam somewhere else, perhaps in one of the other threads specifically dedicated to Prodos games?

If Prodos want to inject themselves, I can too.

**Alpharius**

I'm really interested in seeing their version of Elves!

**Nostromodamus**

I just keep looking at those Orcs.

They're gorgeous

**rob_alderman**

More unlocked...

**Theophony**

Silent Puffin? wrote:
CptJake wrote:
And the passive aggressive attack against a guy who did cut free from you.

Stay classy Prodos.

Can you please go and spam somewhere else, perhaps in one of the other threads specifically dedicated to Prodos games?

I have been having a look at what little information there is on the Internet regarding the original Panzerfauste and it seems that the USSR are Dark Elves, USA are light Elves and Italians(its hard to tell due to the poor quality of the sculpts) are ratmen.

He's not spamming, but informing people of a serious concern. I appreciate it as do others who have posted here. He is entitled to his opinion just as you are. The only person stifling the discussion of a "News and Rumors" thread on a DISCUSSION forum is you. If these guys or prodos had a leg to stand on in the debate they could dissway Cptjake and then he could stop posting, as it is there's nothing they can do to defend themselves so they tried to divert the conversation to a previous employee.

**Vorian**

I'm looking forward to the Elves too. Hopefully we see some campaign's end

**Silent Puffin?**

Theophony wrote:

He's not spamming, but informing people of a serious concern.

Which must be why half the thread is filled up with Prodos related posts and why a Mod felt the need to post this:

Alpharius wrote:

This is the "Panzerfauste Kickstarter" thread.

While it is understandable that there would be some "AvP cross-posting" here due to the PRODOS connection, I'm going to have to ask that we stay on topic in this thread.

Again, the topic being the "Panzerfauste Kickstarter".

I suppose if 'new information' comes to light, it could be posted here - but maybe a separate thread in Dakka Discussions would be best if people wish to continue to discuss the Hysterical/Prodos connection?

Its not as if there is a 210 page thread who's very purpose is to discuss Prodos and their AvP game.

On topic, which is becoming a rarity in this thread, the snail cavalry has been unlocked. I can;t say that I am enthusiastic about the concept.

**Theophony**

Silent Puffin? wrote:
Theophony wrote:

He's not spamming, but informing people of a serious concern.

Which must be why half the thread is filled up with Prodos related posts and why a Mod felt the need to post this:

Alpharius wrote:

This is the "Panzerfauste Kickstarter" thread.

While it is understandable that there would be some "AvP cross-posting" here due to the PRODOS connection, I'm going to have to ask that we stay on topic in this thread.

Again, the topic being the "Panzerfauste Kickstarter".

I suppose if 'new information' comes to light, it could be posted here - but maybe a separate thread in Dakka Discussions would be best if people wish to continue to discuss the Hysterical/Prodos connection?

Its not as if there is a 210 page thread who's very purpose is to discuss Prodos and their AvP game.

On topic, which is becoming a rarity in this thread, the snail cavalry has been unlocked. I can;t say that I am enthusiastic about the concept.

He was discussing the credability of the owner of the Kickstarter creator. If you believe it to be off the subject then press the MOD alert button and let them handle it.

Very interesting concepts to be sure. I like the mountain goat cavalry more than snail cavalry.

**B0B MaRlEy**

Well I like that goat cavalry. I might get just that.

**Alpharius**

It is going to be hard to keep the peanut butter out of the chocolate here, but it would help if Hysterical Games was a tad less...hysterical in their actions at times!

**Silent Puffin?**

From the KS comments section, posted by Steve Blease, who wrote the original rules and co-created the current KS.

As per first edition Italians are Rats (they will have a pre-Great Dwarven War civil war so will pinch some Spanish "hystery").

Americans are Light Elves but will be late to the game.

Turks, absolutely no idea at the moment.

Gnolls will probably be Yugoslav partisans...

Japanese will be a form of Goblin - this is such a generic term that will cover a number of different races but we will draw on regional mythology to make their own distinctive "goblins". Got some cool ideas here...

Romanians will be led by the Strigoi but I haven't fixed a subservient race (but they will not be zombies, I don't get vampires having armies they can't feed off...)

Of course a lot of this is all in the future (and some may change but not much, most has been nailed down for ages).

It's gonna be a long ride...

Also the next faction has been revealed, The Deathless. Supposedly they are some kind of 'White Russian' analogue but with added (Elven) zombies.

**Theophony**

I'd like to see some Japanese Kappa or tengu. I think Kappa would be better as they are an aquatic race and tengu would mean needing rules for fighting fliers.

**Barzam**

Gnolls confirmed! Please let them get made! I would love to have some Gnolls with guns.

**DarkTraveler777**

Those Deathless are wonderful!

The Likho bagging up a brain is my favorite of the bunch.

**Jehan-reznor**

I am liking the deathless, i am just wondering if they are offending some markets with their choice of representations