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Would attempted homicide be applicable here?

 Frazzled wrote:
Assuming this was intentional on the car driver's point what exactly was his point?(again, I've only seen the loop) I'm assuming he wasn't actually trying to hit the motorcycle thus leading to many bad things.

The point might be as simple as don't pass over a double yellow. Something was probably off with that guy if he was driving 20mph under the limit. Could have been trying to piss people off. Then when he succeeded he got even more belligerent with them.

I must now be careful when riding my bike now...

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Assuming this was intentional on the car driver's point what exactly was his point?(again, I've only seen the loop) I'm assuming he wasn't actually trying to hit the motorcycle thus leading to many bad things.

The point might be as simple as don't pass over a double yellow. Something was probably off with that guy if he was driving 20mph under the limit. Could have been trying to piss people off. Then when he succeeded he got even more belligerent with them.

I am not seeing where he is voluntarily going under 20. When the bikes flip into the oncoming lane, you can see another car not far ahead, and right at the beginning you can see a vehicle in front of him.

but yea he might just be a nut.

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
I must now be careful when riding my bike now...

Sure...if you plan on not following the traffic laws.

Not a whole lot of sympathy from me. Shouldn't have been passing in the first place.

 cincydooley wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
I must now be careful when riding my bike now...

Sure...if you plan on not following the traffic laws.

Not a whole lot of sympathy from me. Shouldn't have been passing in the first place.

I ride a regular bike. On the sidewalks

What reason did the car driver have to cross the lines? If they don't have one then it looks like they did it solely to swipe the motorcyclist off their bike. Even though the bike was in the wrong, that doesn't justify the car trying to wipe them out.

 Frazzled wrote:

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Assuming this was intentional on the car driver's point what exactly was his point?(again, I've only seen the loop) I'm assuming he wasn't actually trying to hit the motorcycle thus leading to many bad things.

The point might be as simple as don't pass over a double yellow. Something was probably off with that guy if he was driving 20mph under the limit. Could have been trying to piss people off. Then when he succeeded he got even more belligerent with them.

I am not seeing where he is voluntarily going under 20. When the bikes flip into the oncoming lane, you can see another car not far ahead, and right at the beginning you can see a vehicle in front of him.

but yea he might just be a nut.

Maybe the car in front had just passed the slow guy.

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Read through the conmments on that Facebook link. Someone there needs their concealed weapon permit revoked and weapons seized. He notes he his state's permit is recognized in the other state and says he'll exact "justice" on the driver if the legal system doesn't.

 cincydooley wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
I must now be careful when riding my bike now...

Sure...if you plan on not following the traffic laws.

Not a whole lot of sympathy from me. Shouldn't have been passing in the first place.

Wow. So, to borrow this situation and put it in new clothes, suppose a guy in a car is speeding at around 20mph over the limit. Then someone else shoots his tire out and he crashes. Is the driver at fault because he was speeding?

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
I must now be careful when riding my bike now...

Sure...if you plan on not following the traffic laws.

Not a whole lot of sympathy from me. Shouldn't have been passing in the first place.

I ride a regular bike. On the sidewalks

Aren't bicycles supposed to use roads and not sidewalks?

 Alex C wrote:
Aren't bicycles supposed to use roads and not sidewalks?

They're supposed to but frequently disregard doing it.

 Alex C wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
I must now be careful when riding my bike now...

Sure...if you plan on not following the traffic laws.

Not a whole lot of sympathy from me. Shouldn't have been passing in the first place.

I ride a regular bike. On the sidewalks

Aren't bicycles supposed to use roads and not sidewalks?

Yup. So the only reasonable solution here is for someone to get their car up on the sidewalk and knock him back into the street where he belongs.

 Alex C wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
I must now be careful when riding my bike now...

Sure...if you plan on not following the traffic laws.

Not a whole lot of sympathy from me. Shouldn't have been passing in the first place.

I ride a regular bike. On the sidewalks

Aren't bicycles supposed to use roads and not sidewalks?

No he said a bike. He rides a Honda Goldwing, on the sidewalk. Like a boss.

I ride a Big Wheel myself. Sure its a little cramped on the legs, but when I hit the break and do the donut, its cool.

Well at least the biker and his passenger that got hit will be able to use the money they saved not buying a jacket, some overpants, some gloves, some boots and will be able to put that towards hospital bills! You can get all of those items, starting at the low end, bare minimum ECE approved, for about $400. Maybe less if you are a bargain hunter.

I wish I could get a closer look at what brand helmet the wounded passenger has. I bet its a POS house brand.

I fething hate squids.

@infinite-array

Or a guy with a walking stick can jam it into the spokes hopefully causing him to fly over the handlebars "Indiana Jones The Last Crusade" style.


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 nels1031 wrote:
I fething hate squids.

Squids? Not sure what Navy had to do with it. What is the "squid" you're referring to?

If the dude had simply said nothing and appeared to be worried there would be nothing wrong with this. He could just state he swerved slightly to avoid killing a critter (totally possible in Texas) and the only person doing something wrong is the biker.

Again, not saying the biker deserved to be hit but he does bear an equal portion of the responsibility for the situation. We only have the videos word of slow speeds on the part of the cars but we see 3 cars going relatively the same speed and a dude trying to multiple pass in a no passing area.

Prosecute them both. But I honestly have zero sympathy for someone who got hurt while breaking the rules of the road. Especially when he has a loved one on the bike with him...

Short for squirrely rider.

http://www.bikebandit.com/community/articles/how-not-to-be-a-squid

 Breotan wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
I must now be careful when riding my bike now...

Sure...if you plan on not following the traffic laws.

Not a whole lot of sympathy from me. Shouldn't have been passing in the first place.

Wow. So, to borrow this situation and put it in new clothes, suppose a guy in a car is speeding at around 20mph over the limit. Then someone else shoots his tire out and he crashes. Is the driver at fault because he was speeding?

Don't really see them as similar. More similar would be if a speeder hit a car in front of them because they were speeding over a hill and didn't have time to react to a parked car.

The driver could just has easily hit him if he were swerving to miss some debris in the road. The bike shouldn't have been where it was in the first place.

This accident doesn't happen if the biker doesn't break the road laws first.

 cincydooley wrote:
This accident doesn't happen if the biker doesn't break the road laws first.

This is not an accident, it's attempted murder.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
I must now be careful when riding my bike now...

Sure...if you plan on not following the traffic laws.

Not a whole lot of sympathy from me. Shouldn't have been passing in the first place.

Wow. So, to borrow this situation and put it in new clothes, suppose a guy in a car is speeding at around 20mph over the limit. Then someone else shoots his tire out and he crashes. Is the driver at fault because he was speeding?

Don't really see them as similar. More similar would be if a speeder hit a car in front of them because they were speeding over a hill and didn't have time to react to a parked car.

The driver could just has easily hit him if he were swerving to miss some debris in the road. The bike shouldn't have been where it was in the first place.

This accident doesn't happen if the biker doesn't break the road laws first.

The accident happened because the car driver deliberately swerved to knock the motorbike down.

Did he though? Or did he swerve to avoid road debris and hit the biker who wasn't supposed to be there?

Just sayin....

 Hulksmash wrote:
Did he though? Or did he swerve to avoid road debris and hit the biker who wasn't supposed to be there?

Just sayin....

I watched for road debris multiple times and couldn't see any in the video.

Combined with the fact he said he was swerving at the bike because it crossed the lines then tried changing his story to "A wasp stung me", it seems pretty obvious he was purposefully ramming the bike.

running vermin then instinctual movement to a blur of movement

Honestly I think the guy from what is shown is a douche. But I don't think any better of the guy hit.

Again, prosecute both. One for reckless/unsafe driving and one for the highest you think you can get (probably short of attempted manslaughter).

 Peregrine wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
This accident doesn't happen if the biker doesn't break the road laws first.

This is not an accident, it's attempted murder.

I'd love to see you prove that intent.

For those interested, here's an actual unbiased article from a news source:

Turns out the motorcycle driver also didn't have a valid license.

At the very least it is manslaughter, but the argument for attempted murder isn't unreasonable though it would be harder to prosecute.

I've seen people on motorcycles driving between cars and passing using the shoulders on the highway as well as no helmets on the highway. Even saw a guy doing 80+ scratching his back with both hands while wearing just a t-shirt, jeans, and boots. I love motorcycles but often the riders don't help themselves by being irresponsible.

 cincydooley wrote:
I'd love to see you prove that intent.

The driver admitted that he tried to hit the motorcycle. That's attempted murder.

Turns out the motorcycle driver also didn't have a valid license.

I see. So if the driver had shot the guy instead of trying to kill him with his car would you still be making excuses for why he deserved it?

 Alex C wrote:


Combined with the fact he said he was swerving at the bike because it crossed the lines then tried changing his story to "A wasp stung me", it seems pretty obvious he was purposefully ramming the bike.

Did he?

The video that [was] linked [by the OP], from a pretty obviously biased source (bikes vs cops) cuts off before any of that is said.

The news article I linked doesn't say that at all. Just recounts that he "didn't care" and that he was "stung by a wasp."


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 Peregrine wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I'd love to see you prove that intent.

The driver admitted that he tried to hit the motorcycle. That's attempted murder.

Where?

I see. So if the driver had shot the guy instead of trying to kill him with his car would you still be making excuses for why he deserved it?

This "example" has little to no bearing on this discussion.

 cincydooley wrote:
Where?

The article in the OP says that he said "he was passing in a double yellow" as justification before coming up with the barely-plausible excuse that he was stung at just the exact wrong time. Plus, from the video it's pretty obvious that he times his swerve exactly to hit the motorcycle, and does just enough to hit the guy without losing control of his own car. Could I prove it in court? No, but I don't believe for one moment that this was an accident.

This "example" has little to no bearing on this discussion.

Of course it does. It's the exact same scenario as the real one, except with a different (attempted) murder weapon.

You don't need to prove the lack of a wasp in court. You just need the jury to disbelieve the driver's story.

That said, I don't think it would be attempted murder. For all we know the car driver just wanted to scare the biker and swerved out farther than he intended.

 cincydooley wrote:

The video that you linked

I didn't link to any video.