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 oldravenman3025 wrote:
It wasn't my intention to throw off on transsexuals. I come from the "old school" when it comes to terminology, and describe it as I know it. Your post was reasoned and informative. I enjoyed reading it.
And likewise it wasn't my intention to come off as the language police, or preachy. I also realise that it's not like how straight folk casually know about gay culture, or such... Without personal investment there really isn't a wider platform available for us to know a lot about trans people.
But yeah, a lot (can't pretend I know the proportion) of people never even plan to have lower surgery, even in countries where it's funded by insurance or heath services. Completion is in the mind of the particular person.

Anyway... If all there was to worry about in gender discussion was our use of language, it'd be a far happier world.


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Gathering the Informations.

So we just saw the first major consequences of this law, as PayPal dropped their plans for a Charlotte based operations center that would have provided 400 job opportunities.

McCrory and the Republicans are blaming the Democrat mayor of Charlotte for the dropped plans, claiming that if she hadn't passed the law she did(which allowed for transgenders to use the facilities they identified with) they wouldn't have had to pass HB2.

Here's an article on the whole mess, if you're interested in reding it.

This is my favorite part of the Republican stance:
Charlotte Republican Rep. Dan Bishop, who helped draft the law, said PayPal’s decision was “not about HB2.”

“It is instead about a frenzy that the mayor and her allies on City Council have whipped up,” he said. “I think she might consider that she stop calling in airstrikes on her own position.”

Asked if he and fellow legislators bore any responsibility, Bishop said, “I don’t have any further comment.”


Never mind that this exists:
After the passage of HB2, PayPal chief Dan Schulman, however, emerged as one of the more than 100 CEOs to condemn the law. On Tuesday, he announced in an open letter the company’s decision to nix the Charlotte operations center.

“The new law perpetuates discrimination, and it violates the values and principles that are at the core of PayPal’s mission and culture. As a result, PayPal will not move forward with our planned expansion into Charlotte,” Schulman said.

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The traditional politicians tactic of refusing to let facts get in the way in clear view there

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 Kanluwen wrote:
So we just saw the first major consequences of this law, as PayPal dropped their plans for a Charlotte based operations center that would have provided 400 job opportunities.

McCrory and the Republicans are blaming the Democrat mayor of Charlotte for the dropped plans, claiming that if she hadn't passed the law she did(which allowed for transgenders to use the facilities they identified with) they wouldn't have had to pass HB2.

Here's an article on the whole mess, if you're interested in reding it.

This is my favorite part of the Republican stance:
Charlotte Republican Rep. Dan Bishop, who helped draft the law, said PayPal’s decision was “not about HB2.”

“It is instead about a frenzy that the mayor and her allies on City Council have whipped up,” he said. “I think she might consider that she stop calling in airstrikes on her own position.”

Asked if he and fellow legislators bore any responsibility, Bishop said, “I don’t have any further comment.”


Never mind that this exists:
After the passage of HB2, PayPal chief Dan Schulman, however, emerged as one of the more than 100 CEOs to condemn the law. On Tuesday, he announced in an open letter the company’s decision to nix the Charlotte operations center.

“The new law perpetuates discrimination, and it violates the values and principles that are at the core of PayPal’s mission and culture. As a result, PayPal will not move forward with our planned expansion into Charlotte,” Schulman said.

Yay... victory for that Supreme Court Citizen United ruling!

Company can haz political opinions... no?

You don't like that state's politics? Don't do business there!

So... yes, money does have a "voice" and is protected free speech.

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Could we add the Mississpi bill that was passed a few days ago to this thread?

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 Kanluwen wrote:


McCrory and the Republicans are blaming the Democrat mayor of Charlotte for the dropped plans, claiming that if she hadn't passed the law she did(which allowed for transgenders to use the facilities they identified with) they wouldn't have had to pass HB2.



That is some Grade A finger pointing right there.

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 whembly wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
So we just saw the first major consequences of this law, as PayPal dropped their plans for a Charlotte based operations center that would have provided 400 job opportunities.

McCrory and the Republicans are blaming the Democrat mayor of Charlotte for the dropped plans, claiming that if she hadn't passed the law she did(which allowed for transgenders to use the facilities they identified with) they wouldn't have had to pass HB2.

Here's an article on the whole mess, if you're interested in reding it.

This is my favorite part of the Republican stance:
Charlotte Republican Rep. Dan Bishop, who helped draft the law, said PayPal’s decision was “not about HB2.”

“It is instead about a frenzy that the mayor and her allies on City Council have whipped up,” he said. “I think she might consider that she stop calling in airstrikes on her own position.”

Asked if he and fellow legislators bore any responsibility, Bishop said, “I don’t have any further comment.”


Never mind that this exists:
After the passage of HB2, PayPal chief Dan Schulman, however, emerged as one of the more than 100 CEOs to condemn the law. On Tuesday, he announced in an open letter the company’s decision to nix the Charlotte operations center.

“The new law perpetuates discrimination, and it violates the values and principles that are at the core of PayPal’s mission and culture. As a result, PayPal will not move forward with our planned expansion into Charlotte,” Schulman said.

Yay... victory for that Supreme Court Citizen United ruling!

Company can haz political opinions... no?

You don't like that state's politics? Don't do business there!

So... yes, money does have a "voice" and is protected free speech.

Yay for trying to make CUvFEC good again and completely missing the point!

They could have done that no matter if CUvFEC ever happened.

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
So we just saw the first major consequences of this law, as PayPal dropped their plans for a Charlotte based operations center that would have provided 400 job opportunities.

McCrory and the Republicans are blaming the Democrat mayor of Charlotte for the dropped plans, claiming that if she hadn't passed the law she did(which allowed for transgenders to use the facilities they identified with) they wouldn't have had to pass HB2.

Here's an article on the whole mess, if you're interested in reding it.

This is my favorite part of the Republican stance:
Charlotte Republican Rep. Dan Bishop, who helped draft the law, said PayPal’s decision was “not about HB2.”

“It is instead about a frenzy that the mayor and her allies on City Council have whipped up,” he said. “I think she might consider that she stop calling in airstrikes on her own position.”

Asked if he and fellow legislators bore any responsibility, Bishop said, “I don’t have any further comment.”


Never mind that this exists:
After the passage of HB2, PayPal chief Dan Schulman, however, emerged as one of the more than 100 CEOs to condemn the law. On Tuesday, he announced in an open letter the company’s decision to nix the Charlotte operations center.

“The new law perpetuates discrimination, and it violates the values and principles that are at the core of PayPal’s mission and culture. As a result, PayPal will not move forward with our planned expansion into Charlotte,” Schulman said.

Yay... victory for that Supreme Court Citizen United ruling!

Company can haz political opinions... no?

You don't like that state's politics? Don't do business there!

So... yes, money does have a "voice" and is protected free speech.

Yay for trying to make CUvFEC good again and completely missing the point!

They could have done that no matter if CUvFEC ever happened.

What? So, companies are people too!

I'm so confused.

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 whembly wrote:

What? So, companies are people too!

I'm so confused.

No, no, only the ones that support my point of view.


But, seriously, it's not about companies having a point of veiw (I'm perfectly alright with that, and this is how companies should exert/impose that POV, though market forces), it's about political donations. Basically threats are OK, but bribes are not.

(Says a lot about out political system.)

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Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
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Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
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Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
 
   
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EDIT: eh... we're dragging off topic, so I'll bow out.

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Bristol

So now The Boss has come out against HB2, as well.

A Statement from Bruce Springsteen on North Carolina
BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN·FRIDAY, 8 APRIL 2016

As you, my fans, know I’m scheduled to play in Greensboro, North Carolina this Sunday. As we also know, North Carolina has just passed HB2, which the media are referring to as the “bathroom” law. HB2 — known officially as the Public Facilities Privacy and Security Act — dictates which bathrooms transgender people are permitted to use. Just as important, the law also attacks the rights of LGBT citizens to sue when their human rights are violated in the workplace. No other group of North Carolinians faces such a burden. To my mind, it’s an attempt by people who cannot stand the progress our country has made in recognizing the human rights of all of our citizens to overturn that progress. Right now, there are many groups, businesses, and individuals in North Carolina working to oppose and overcome these negative developments. Taking all of this into account, I feel that this is a time for me and the band to show solidarity for those freedom fighters. As a result, and with deepest apologies to our dedicated fans in Greensboro, we have canceled our show scheduled for Sunday, April 10th. Some things are more important than a rock show and this fight against prejudice and bigotry — which is happening as I write — is one of them. It is the strongest means I have for raising my voice in opposition to those who continue to push us backwards instead of forwards.
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band’s Sunday April 10th show is canceled. Tickets will be refunded at point of purchase.

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Since the whole basis of the 'bathroom regulation' seems to be 'to protect women from rapists', I'll just point this out.

Back in 1992, a girl was raped in the women's bathroom in a small coffee shop in St. Louis. The rapist was not trans, not a crossdresser, not even in women's clothes. He just waited for a moment when no one was watching and walked on in.

A basic websearch will turn up THOUSANDS of cases like that, where a rapist just walked on into the ladies' room and attacked a woman... in men's clothes.

Darn few come up where the rapist was in WOMEN'S clothes, but there are a few.

Now. We introduce a law saying people must use the restroom corresponding to their birth gender. Great. You're forcing surgically altered trans-men (that is, X-X but with a penis) to use the women's room.

But since no one is standing by to do genetic testing, a rapist can CLAIM to be trans and walk on in anyway.

In the meantime, a father is now banned from taking his infant daughter into EITHER restroom to change a diaper; ONE of them will be in violation of the law. Same thing with a mother and her infant son...

It's a poorly thought out law that solves nothing and creates a lot of needless controversy.

Want a law that makes women safer in the restroom? Mandate individual unisex restrooms - sink and toilet, four solid walls - WITH A LOCK ON THE DOOR so no one can get in, PERIOD.

Solves the whole issue; it doesn't matter who CAN use it if only one person can be in the restroom at a time.

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In an amusing replication of gun owner arguments, I find that this new law mainly punishes well-behaving people, while doing little to stop the actual criminals who, as you say, walk in whether they are permitted to or not.

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Finally, porn gets involved.

Also, who names a porn site with the word 'hamster'?

Indiana's paleolithic Abortion Bill, that was tabled then signed behind closed doors at the last minute like any good bit of legislature, is also being challenged and sued by others with the ACLU now going after it as unconstitutional. What a time to be alive!

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On the flip side, this is what happens when you use judges to make new law, instead of the democratic process (which was working fine and changing in dramatically quick fashion). Judge interprets the law. Others change the law. Lawsuits.

Judges + Lawyers = PROFIT!

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Judging by the stats of what you North Carolinians watch, we feel this punishment is a severe one.


ROASTED.

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http://www.joemygod.com/2016/04/11/tennessee-gop-co-sponsor-of-proposed-anti-trans-law-quarantined-as-danger-to-female-coworkers/



Tomorrow the Tennessee House Finance Committee is scheduled to hear a bill that bans public schools and universities from allowing trans students to use restrooms that align with their gender identity. As it turns out, one of the bill’s GOP co-sponsors is an ACTUAL real life danger to women according to his own party. CBS News reports:

A Tennessee lawmaker is effectively being quarantined from lawmakers, lobbyists and interns after the state’s attorney general determined that he could pose a risk to “unsuspecting women” at the state Capitol complex.

House Speaker Beth Harwell announced Thursday that she is moving Rep. Jeremy Durham’s office to the ground floor of a building across the street and that his access to committee rooms and the House chamber will be limited to when meetings are taking place. The move comes amid a state attorney general’s investigation into the Franklin Republican’s “pattern of conduct” toward women.

Interviews with 34 current and former lawmakers, lobbyists, staffers and interns included allegations that Durham made sexual comments and inappropriate physical contact with women working at Legislative Plaza, according to Attorney General Herbert Slatery’s memorandum to Harwell.

Slatery recommended that the House take action to avoid a hostile work environment at the Capitol complex. “Representative Durham’s alleged behavior may pose a continuing risk to unsuspecting women who are employed by or interact with the Legislature,” Slatery said in the memo.

Several GOP leaders have called for Durham to step down, including Gov. Bill Haslam, Harwell, Senate Speaker Ron Ramsey and state Republican Party Chairman Ryan Haynes.

Durham’s colleagues also questioned previous behavior that included writing a letter on House stationery on behalf of a former pastor who pleaded guilty to child porn possession and statutory rape of a 16-year-old parishioner.

Prosecutors in 2014 sought fraud charges against Durham on allegations of altering medical prescriptions, but a grand jury declined to indict the lawmaker.



Perhaps its Republican politicans who need their own contained spaces.

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I would accept the quarantining of politicians for the public health to be prima facae correct.

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Or after 8 years or so, when the election comes round you could discover that a nice man came and volunteered to take care of them. they're going to be living on a farm upstate where they can ......


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 Vulcan wrote:
Great. You're forcing surgically altered trans-men (that is, X-X but with a penis) to use the women's room.


How many of these surgically altered trans-men are there? In a city of a few million, maybe a handful?

We should no longer call bathrooms "Men's" and "Women's". We should call them by their gender anatomy. "P" and "V". Problem solved. Whichever one of those two you currently have, that's where you go to do #1 and #2.

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Mdlbuildr wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:
Great. You're forcing surgically altered trans-men (that is, X-X but with a penis) to use the women's room.


How many of these surgically altered trans-men are there? In a city of a few million, maybe a handful?

We should no longer call bathrooms "Men's" and "Women's". We should call them by their gender anatomy. "P" and "V". Problem solved. Whichever one of those two you currently have, that's where you go to do #1 and #2.


What about single fathers with a daughter or single mothers with a son? Do you make exceptions for children? If so, how does that translate to a school? What about people born with both? Do they get to pick and choose or do they just deal with it?

No, making something "P" and "V" is not the solution.
   
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Well, the governor is clarifying the bill because people are just misunderstanding it:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/12/473982918/n-c-governor-signs-order-that-clarifies-controversial-gender-identity-bill

   
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Is it me, or is this #237 of real problems in the world that desperately need addressing, right behind obtaining an accurate count of sand grains on Venice Beach?

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 Frazzled wrote:
Is it me, or is this #237 of real problems in the world that desperately need addressing, right behind obtaining an accurate count of sand grains on Venice Beach?


It's pretty high on the list of priorities for trans persons living in NC, I suspect.

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 Frazzled wrote:
Is it me, or is this #237 of real problems in the world that desperately need addressing, right behind obtaining an accurate count of sand grains on Venice Beach?


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 Dreadwinter wrote:


What about single fathers with a daughter or single mothers with a son? Do you make exceptions for children? If so, how does that translate to a school? What about people born with both? Do they get to pick and choose or do they just deal with it?

No, making something "P" and "V" is not the solution.


If you have to split hairs about an adult taking a young child to the bathroom or the extraordinarily small population of hermaphrodites, I think there is a much larger issue at hand. Many time Laws have circumstances for which they can be bent and I don't think we can have much of a dispute that either of those things are the extreme exception and not what these new Bathroom laws are about.

You can come up with extreme examples all you like (the plight of the hermaphrodite population for example), but the fact of the matter is that those situations you describe do not apply here. They aren't part of the argument. If they were such a problem, why were they not addressed by other Laws in the past?

Your opinion and mine differ. No worries.

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 Dreadwinter wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Is it me, or is this #237 of real problems in the world that desperately need addressing, right behind obtaining an accurate count of sand grains on Venice Beach?


There are many real problems in the world that need solving. But can we not focus on multiple problems at once?


Well studies have proven that multitaskers multitask...poorly.

It's pretty high on the list of priorities for trans persons living in NC, I suspect.

I'd argue the opposite. It wasn't broke before. The new law was pushed for....reasons.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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 Frazzled wrote:


Well studies have proven that multitaskers multitask...poorly.


Please provide a link to those studies. Thanks.
   
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 Vulcan wrote:
Since the whole basis of the 'bathroom regulation' seems to be 'to protect women from rapists', I'll just point this out.

Back in 1992, a girl was raped in the women's bathroom in a small coffee shop in St. Louis. The rapist was not trans, not a crossdresser, not even in women's clothes. He just waited for a moment when no one was watching and walked on in.

A basic websearch will turn up THOUSANDS of cases like that, where a rapist just walked on into the ladies' room and attacked a woman... in men's clothes.

Darn few come up where the rapist was in WOMEN'S clothes, but there are a few.

Now. We introduce a law saying people must use the restroom corresponding to their birth gender. Great. You're forcing surgically altered trans-men (that is, X-X but with a penis) to use the women's room.

But since no one is standing by to do genetic testing, a rapist can CLAIM to be trans and walk on in anyway.

In the meantime, a father is now banned from taking his infant daughter into EITHER restroom to change a diaper; ONE of them will be in violation of the law. Same thing with a mother and her infant son...

It's a poorly thought out law that solves nothing and creates a lot of needless controversy.

Want a law that makes women safer in the restroom? Mandate individual unisex restrooms - sink and toilet, four solid walls - WITH A LOCK ON THE DOOR so no one can get in, PERIOD.

Solves the whole issue; it doesn't matter who CAN use it if only one person can be in the restroom at a time.


No one is being forced to do anything. It's a textbook case of an unenforceable law. Nobody is checking your equipment before letting you into a bathroom. If any person was using public restrooms without causing a disturbance with everyone else in the bathroom they can go on using the same bathrooms they already were before the law was passed.

This was a bad law to pass but it's actual enforcement is impossible.

Also, you can't build buildings in NC with only unisex bathrooms, current state building code requires gender specific bathrooms for most buildings and you'll need to comply in order to get permitted, pass inspection and get your certificate of occupancy. Communal bathrooms also save space. A mens bathroom that can serve 8 men, 4 stalls, 4 urinals, takes up much less space than 4 separate bathrooms. Also, a locking door does nothing to control how many people enter the bathroom at a time.

A better version of HB2 would have been a simple bathroom safety act that reaffirms the criminalization of dangerous predatory inappropriate behavior in bathrooms. That should have been enough to assuage the concerns of people upset with the Charlotte ordinance.

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Sorry, I'm doing something else, and can't multitask. I'm a serial tasker.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
 
   
 
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