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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Also Deathwatch will not only get the Boxed set, there will also be Bikes, Landraiders, Razorbacks, a box with 10 marines and Character Models for example the Watchmaster.

Here we are, mere days away from Codex: Deathwatch, something I never thought would ever happen... and still my cynicism says "This is nonsense!" to all of this.

Who was it that posted that?

So far the only reliable rumormonger(Sad Panda) who put anything down said a Deathwatch Veteran box, some plastic characters, Watch-Captain Artemis, and a gunship.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.

Eldrad
2 units of Players
Deathjester
1 unit of Skyweavers
1 Voidweaver

Agreed, I just wish it was easier to slot a Shadowseer in here and there.

With a bit of luck, the formation will have optional units. Something like 1 Eldrad, 2-4 unites of players, 1-3 jesters, 0-3 shadowseers, 0-1 solitaire etc.

 kronk wrote:
I can't wait to see the new kits.

They still have the pricey conversion kits: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Deathwatch-Kill-Team-Conversion-Kit

I have over 100 Tac/Assault/Stern/Tanker/Biker/Capt/Chap Masters with the plastic shoulder pads. I am not going to mix and match them at this point.
I am, waiting for the new set and hoping they are similar enough to slot in.

What is HoR? Why would GW base Kill Teams rules off Hordes?

Davor wrote:
What is HoR? Why would GW base Kill Teams rules off Hordes?

http://heralds-of-ruin.blogspot.dk/p/kill-team-rules.html

Heralds of Ruin, a fan-made kill team rule set.

fresus wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.

Eldrad
2 units of Players
Deathjester
1 unit of Skyweavers
1 Voidweaver

Agreed, I just wish it was easier to slot a Shadowseer in here and there.

With a bit of luck, the formation will have optional units. Something like 1 Eldrad, 2-4 unites of players, 1-3 jesters, 0-3 shadowseers, 0-1 solitaire etc.

Because boxed set formations are known for their flexibility?

It's going to likely be done up like Stormclaw, Deathstorm, or the two Damocles boxes.
You get squads with specific loadouts, the vehicles with specific loadouts and the characters, then a "big" formation incorporating them all at once.

Nevelon wrote:

Davor wrote:
What is HoR? Why would GW base Kill Teams rules off Hordes?

http://heralds-of-ruin.blogspot.dk/p/kill-team-rules.html

Heralds of Ruin, a fan-made kill team rule set.

Thank you.

From Faeit:

Hi! FYI on the new White Dwarf: It will be like good old times. But lets focus on releases:
Free Gift Miniature is a Slaughterpriest with Hackblade(existing)

Kharn the Betrayer is a new release but not the free gift, coming alongside a new supplement that contains new rules for CSM, including Renegade Knights etc. It is called "Traitor's Hate" and has a Black Crusade label on it.

Deathwatch is going to be huge. There will be repacked boxes of existing Space Marines with additional Deathwatch sprues. What I remember is:
- Dreadnoughts
- Bikes
- Vanguard
- Razorback
- Land Raider
- Space Marine Characters
- New Character
- Flyer
- Deathwatch Squad

Aaaaaand:

The Void Shield Generator... yes, it is back in september - and its plastic! Same model as the limited one.

Thats what I remember. And trust me. The new WD is just awesome... good old times are back!!! 14 pages of battle report for example!

@Vain - I used the ones from the Command Squad, but at one point they were like gold dust on eBay - and priced to match.

@kronk - The bolters tend to go pretty cheap on eBay. I've seen two sets go for £0.99 in the last week alone. You can never find the pauldrons though.

Problem is, what is "good times". For me the WD good times were early 2000's while some said their good times were 2010s which I thought were just horrible after mid 2005+

Davor wrote:

Nevelon wrote:

Davor wrote:
What is HoR? Why would GW base Kill Teams rules off Hordes?

http://heralds-of-ruin.blogspot.dk/p/kill-team-rules.html

Heralds of Ruin, a fan-made kill team rule set.

Thank you.

If you want to see how it's played, miniwargaming did a Kill Team narrative series that was a lot of fun to watch. They modified the rules a little to add more RPG/Campaign elements, but the core is the same.

zamerion wrote:
From Faeit:

The Void Shield Generator... yes, it is back in september - and its plastic! Same model as the limited one.

Good one, Feait, I'll believe it when I see it

 zedmeister wrote:

zamerion wrote:
From Faeit:

The Void Shield Generator... yes, it is back in september - and its plastic! Same model as the limited one.

Good one, Feait, I'll believe it when I see it

meh dont think i could care about the VSG

its REALLY ugly. imho

Just seems like the person has mashed together rumours that have been said in the past such as DW bikes, tanks etc and added the voidshield kit as their own and made it super legit by telling us the exact number of pages the new WD has on the battle report.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.

Eldrad
2 units of Players
Deathjester
1 unit of Skyweavers
1 Voidweaver

Honestly, it doesn't look good at all. First of all, what does Eldrad really bring to units of harlequins? Not a heck of a lot. He'd be better served palling around with something shootier since he has almost no melee power for his points cost, and definitely something more durable.

Unless you are sporting a 2+ save or Eternal Warrior you don't want to mess up with a psyker with Ws 5 Init 5 that always wound at 2+ and quite capable to get ID on it's weapon, sure he's not durable but he's ironically one of the best all rounder to take care of MC and GMC creatures in melee.

And that's without taking into consideration the psy powers he can get on each match.

Lord Perversor wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.

Eldrad
2 units of Players
Deathjester
1 unit of Skyweavers
1 Voidweaver

Honestly, it doesn't look good at all. First of all, what does Eldrad really bring to units of harlequins? Not a heck of a lot. He'd be better served palling around with something shootier since he has almost no melee power for his points cost, and definitely something more durable.

Unless you are sporting a 2+ save or Eternal Warrior you don't want to mess up with a psyker with Ws 5 Init 5 that always wound at 2+ and quite capable to get ID on it's weapon, sure he's not durable but he's ironically one of the best all rounder to take care of MC and GMC creatures in melee.

And that's without taking into consideration the psy powers he can get on each match.

Yeah. But remember, Harlequins already have access to a WS5 I6 or 7 psyker who always wounds on a 2+. For 60 points. How many points does mr T3 no eternal warrior cost? 250?

the_scotsman wrote:

Lord Perversor wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.

Eldrad
2 units of Players
Deathjester
1 unit of Skyweavers
1 Voidweaver

Honestly, it doesn't look good at all. First of all, what does Eldrad really bring to units of harlequins? Not a heck of a lot. He'd be better served palling around with something shootier since he has almost no melee power for his points cost, and definitely something more durable.

Unless you are sporting a 2+ save or Eternal Warrior you don't want to mess up with a psyker with Ws 5 Init 5 that always wound at 2+ and quite capable to get ID on it's weapon, sure he's not durable but he's ironically one of the best all rounder to take care of MC and GMC creatures in melee.

And that's without taking into consideration the psy powers he can get on each match.

Yeah. But remember, Harlequins already have access to a WS5 I6 or 7 psyker who always wounds on a 2+. For 60 points. How many points does mr T3 no eternal warrior cost? 250?

The Shadowseer's mistave has no AP, and doesn't have force, so it's quite different.
Current Eldrad is 195pts (and T4). But he also has only 1A (two with his two weapons), so it's not that easy to have a successful ID attack go through (as most things you want to ID have a 2+ or a good invul)

Just popped up..

 Azreal13 wrote:
Just popped up..

I like that picture of the Jester, not gonna lie.

They're not actually going to have Ynnead come to life are they?! Great Scott!

Vorian wrote:
They're not actually going to have Ynnead come to life are they?! Great Scott!

Maybe he or she will have Avatars - new big model for Eldar.................bit surprised that using Eldread - isn't Illyanna the main believer in Ynnead - heaven fobid we have another female model in 40k I guess.

Isn;t there something in one of the recent BL novels about Slaanesh being taken down? Not sure what that would mean - although I guess the other Eldar gods could also break free - or at least the ones that Slaanesh consumed, reclaimed, ate?

 Mr Morden wrote:

Vorian wrote:
They're not actually going to have Ynnead come to life are they?! Great Scott!

Maybe he or she will have Avatars - new big model for Eldar.................bit surprised that using Eldread - isn't Illyanna the main believer in Ynnead - heaven fobid we have another female model in 40k I guess.

Isn;t there something in one of the recent BL novels about Slaanesh being taken down? Not sure what that would mean - although I guess the other Eldar gods could also break free - or at least the ones that Slaanesh consumed, reclaimed, ate?

With all the rumors of primarchs and demon primarchs coming back.
If GW is really going this route with most factions receiving a big bad lord of war type character I'd expect someone like illyanna to become the avatar of ynnead and take up that role. Meaning if such a model is coming it likely will arrive later as this story progresses.
Heck with GW recent love of new large kits, I'm fully expecting the finecast ghazskull thraka to be redone with the next Ork codex and become a new plastic monstrous creature size character. Possibly just as large as "the beast" from the beast arrives stories. That Ork was nearly the size of an imperial knight.

gungo wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Vorian wrote:
They're not actually going to have Ynnead come to life are they?! Great Scott!

Maybe he or she will have Avatars - new big model for Eldar.................bit surprised that using Eldread - isn't Illyanna the main believer in Ynnead - heaven fobid we have another female model in 40k I guess.

Isn;t there something in one of the recent BL novels about Slaanesh being taken down? Not sure what that would mean - although I guess the other Eldar gods could also break free - or at least the ones that Slaanesh consumed, reclaimed, ate?

With all the rumors of primarchs and demon primarchs coming back.
If GW is really going this route with most factions receiving a big bad lord of war type character I'd expect someone like illyanna to become the avatar of ynnead and take up that role. Meaning if such a model is coming it likely will arrive later as this story progresses.
Heck with GW recent love of new large kits, I'm fully expecting the finecast ghazskull thraka to be redone with the next Ork codex and become a new plastic monstrous creature size character. Possibly just as large as "the beast" from the beast arrives stories. That Ork was nearly the size of an imperial knight.

If that's true, I want my Silent King model for Necrons. With a buff that makes all Reanimates happen on a 3+

I wonder if we will get an outsider figure too

So what would the Adeptus Mechanicus get - the Void Dragon?

fresus wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Lord Perversor wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.

Eldrad
2 units of Players
Deathjester
1 unit of Skyweavers
1 Voidweaver

Honestly, it doesn't look good at all. First of all, what does Eldrad really bring to units of harlequins? Not a heck of a lot. He'd be better served palling around with something shootier since he has almost no melee power for his points cost, and definitely something more durable.

Unless you are sporting a 2+ save or Eternal Warrior you don't want to mess up with a psyker with Ws 5 Init 5 that always wound at 2+ and quite capable to get ID on it's weapon, sure he's not durable but he's ironically one of the best all rounder to take care of MC and GMC creatures in melee.

And that's without taking into consideration the psy powers he can get on each match.

Yeah. But remember, Harlequins already have access to a WS5 I6 or 7 psyker who always wounds on a 2+. For 60 points. How many points does mr T3 no eternal warrior cost? 250?

The Shadowseer's mistave has no AP, and doesn't have force, so it's quite different.
Current Eldrad is 195pts (and T4). But he also has only 1A (two with his two weapons), so it's not that easy to have a successful ID attack go through (as most things you want to ID have a 2+ or a good invul)

Biggest bonus though, Eldrad's ML4 with a Ghosthelm, Runes of the Farseer and Spiritlink. I wonder if they'll change his faction for this to Harlequins so that he can join with tooled up Player squad in a Starweaver during deployment, suddenly not having access to a Jet Bike isn't such a drawback.


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 Mr Morden wrote:

Vorian wrote:
They're not actually going to have Ynnead come to life are they?! Great Scott!

Maybe he or she will have Avatars - new big model for Eldar.................bit surprised that using Eldread - isn't Illyanna the main believer in Ynnead - heaven fobid we have another female model in 40k I guess.

Isn;t there something in one of the recent BL novels about Slaanesh being taken down? Not sure what that would mean - although I guess the other Eldar gods could also break free - or at least the ones that Slaanesh consumed, reclaimed, ate?

No, Eldrad is Ynnead's big believer, as I think it was him that discovered the nascent god in the firstplace.

An Ilyana model for an Iyanden army would be very cool though.

 Warpig1815 wrote:
So what would the Adeptus Mechanicus get - the Void Dragon?

They get lumped in with all the imperial factions kinda like all eldar do with ynnead avatar.
The best a new imperial guard can hope for is a new "Solar" Creed character which still isn't the same power level as primarchs, avatars, silent King, ghaz character. Tyranids have thier rumoured hive mind bug.

So this pretty much debunks all the nonsense eldar rumors of black library nonsense? (harlequin Yriel was the dumbest thing I've heard ever) I mean I doubt they're also going to make the new chaos campaign against eldar if this release is including eldar.


And this was all from the rumor mongers that people said were legit.

gungo wrote:

 Warpig1815 wrote:
So what would the Adeptus Mechanicus get - the Void Dragon?

They get lumped in with all the imperial factions kinda like all eldar do with ynnead avatar.
The best a new imperial guard can hope for is a new "Solar" Creed character which still isn't the same power level as primarchs, avatars, silent King, ghaz character. Tyranids have thier rumoured hive mind bug.

Oh I was just musing. Having the Void Dragon wake up would be rather an interesting concept...

gungo wrote:

 Warpig1815 wrote:
So what would the Adeptus Mechanicus get - the Void Dragon?

They get lumped in with all the imperial factions kinda like all eldar do with ynnead avatar.
The best a new imperial guard can hope for is a new "Solar" Creed character which still isn't the same power level as primarchs, avatars, silent King, ghaz character. Tyranids have thier rumoured hive mind bug.

Tbh honest i always cheer up my local Nyd player telling him GW must make the dominatrix in 40k a real thing!!