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jasper76 wrote: @Whembley, after its all said and done, you ended up voting for Clinton like the rest of us, didn't you?
(Its OK,if you're not ready to come out publicly, but you know we'd all accept you if you did)
a) my vote doesn't matter in Missouri at this point (Trump has a 10+ lead in the polls).
b) my vote for #TeamJohnson is a strategic vote in the hopes that a 3rd party gains prominence. Either by reaching that 15% milestone (not likely) or scare the gak out of TeamDemocrats TeamRepublican in close races.
c) I'm also voting Libertarian in my Congressional District (Jim Higgins). d) I'm actually voting for GOP Roy Blunt, but he's losing badly to Democrat Jason Kander for US Senate. Missouri is weird that way... it's truly the 'outsider v. insider' election here in the Show Me State.
e) As for our Governor, it's a coin flip between (R) Eric Greitens and (D) Chris Koster. Eric as a great chance simply because there is a Trump coats tail effect in Missouri. Trump is the "outsider" and Eric is the outsider to 'been in government forever' Koster. Plus, Koster has the stink of our current (D) Governor Jay Nixon.
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f) I still stand by that Hillary Clinton will win easily next Tuesday. The newscast/polls look awfully like they're trying really HARD to "keep it close" to generate attention.
Ashiraya wrote: BigWaaagh, I wish I could exalt that post more than once. I cannot comprehend how people even can compare the two candidates.
Because, at the end of the day, Hillary is a Democrat, and the only thing that has historically united the disparate groups within the GOP is not policy, not ideology, but simply opposing the Democrats.
3. Sarah Palins, etc's use of AOL and Yahoo accounts
1. So your defense of Clinton is that she should not be held accountable because others have broken the same law?
2. I don't give a feth what a governor does. Get back to me when they are at the federal level.
3. You may not know this, but the actual email address is immaterial. A "civilian" email address can be reassigned to a secured server in a few minutes.
1. Firstly, it's not up for debate that "not a single of those locations was a government facilty, manned by trained and credentialed technicians" so try to stay on topic.
2. I just spelled out the chronology of the server for you. Yet, I still don't see the spare bathroom in a private residence you refer to.
1. The exact point is every other private email server used by a government official HAS been located and serviced inside a government facility. Hers was not. Because she want the AVOID following the law on document archival procedures. She went to great lengths to completely avoid having her emails recorded.
2. The data center in Denver was located in a loft and an employee of that company reported that the server racks were located in a spare bathroom.
All of this neatly sidesteps the multiple times she lied about using one blackberry and that classififed material was nver sent to and from her through the uncontrolled server.
Not to mention her failure to abide by court order to turn over her emails, which she then went through and deleted waht she thought was not relevant. feth her. She does not get to decide. When she was Secretery or State every fething email she sent belonged to the citizens of the US.
The "data center in Denver" is Platte River Networks...but if you want to call that a bathroom in a private residence, sure, use those acute mental gymnastics. Here's their website;
Some stark statistical reality behind the loss of US manufacturing jobs. Meanwhile, the fear-addled and uninformed will continue to be happily misled and vote to scrap trade agreements and start a Trade War. I suppose they could be Mexican, rapist robots. The pandering stream of lies being swallowed could gag a horse.
3. Sarah Palins, etc's use of AOL and Yahoo accounts
1. So your defense of Clinton is that she should not be held accountable because others have broken the same law?
2. I don't give a feth what a governor does. Get back to me when they are at the federal level.
3. You may not know this, but the actual email address is immaterial. A "civilian" email address can be reassigned to a secured server in a few minutes.
1. Firstly, it's not up for debate that "not a single of those locations was a government facilty, manned by trained and credentialed technicians" so try to stay on topic.
2. I just spelled out the chronology of the server for you. Yet, I still don't see the spare bathroom in a private residence you refer to.
1. The exact point is every other private email server used by a government official HAS been located and serviced inside a government facility. Hers was not. Because she want the AVOID following the law on document archival procedures. She went to great lengths to completely avoid having her emails recorded.
2. The data center in Denver was located in a loft and an employee of that company reported that the server racks were located in a spare bathroom.
All of this neatly sidesteps the multiple times she lied about using one blackberry and that classififed material was nver sent to and from her through the uncontrolled server.
Not to mention her failure to abide by court order to turn over her emails, which she then went through and deleted waht she thought was not relevant. feth her. She does not get to decide. When she was Secretery or State every fething email she sent belonged to the citizens of the US.
The "data center in Denver" is Platte River Networks...but if you want to call that a bathroom in a private residence, sure, use those acute mental gymnastics. Here's their website;
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The Power Mac, originally purchased in 2007 by former President Clinton's aide Justin Cooper, had acted as the server for presidentclinton.com and wjcoffice.com. Cooper managed most of the technology support for Bill Clinton and took charge of setting up Hillary Clinton's new personal mail system on the Power Mac, which sat alongside a firewall and network switching hardware in the basement of the Clintons' home. Accounts were set up for Secretary Clinton and her staff by her husband's staff.
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It was kismet, and in March of 2009, Pagliano delivered two servers to Chappaqua—a Dell PowerEdge 2900 running Windows Server and Microsoft Exchange and a Dell PowerEdge 1950 running Blackberry Enterprise Server (BES). Cooper and Pagliano together acquired additional network and storage hardware. Initially, Pagliano said, he believed the servers were for President Clinton and not for the Secretary.
Pagliano acquired an SSL certificate for the mail server to provide added security for remote e-mail access at that time, and the whole configuration was set up in the Clintons' basement. The Power Mac was converted into a workstation for use by the Clinton household staff, and its contents were eventually backed up to an iMac.
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Platte River Networks was hired to set up the new hosted mail server, which would run in an Equinix data center in Secaucus, New Jersey. In June of 2013, a PRN employee came and retrieved the server hardware in Chappaqua,
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This is a lot of work and aggravation to do this on your own.
Occam's Razor is that they wanted to keep it out of oversight's reach to facilitate pay-to-play schemes with their Foundation.
I wouldn't be able to vote on Tuesday, even if eligible, because both hands would be covering my nose!
Don't get me wrong, Trump would be an awful choice as President, and I'm record as saying that quite a few times...
But that doesn't mean I'm not uneasy about Clinton winning, as well.
As has been discussed here before, she's the lesser of two 'evils' and to be fair to most American dakka members, they have acknowledged this.
But earlier, I was watching the old footage of Clinton lying about being under sniper fire, and |I thought to myself, Trump would be a disaster,
but a Clinton administration is not that great for the USA, either....
It's a choice I'm glad I don't have to make, and that's no insult to0 the USA as I freely admit that British politics is equally a mess.
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Tannhauser42 wrote: The Nixon/Clinton comparison is fairly apt. Because the thing that's really biting them in the ass isn't the original act (Watergate, email server), but their attempts afterward to cover it up, hide it, and/or lie about it.
I still say if Hillary had just fessed up to it all at the beginning, the email thing would have ended up being far less of an issue.
Exactly. The cover up is always worse than the original crime, especially in politics.
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deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
I wouldn't be able to vote on Tuesday, even if eligible, because both hands would be covering my nose!
Don't get me wrong, Trump would be an awful choice as President, and I'm record as saying that quite a few times...
But that doesn't mean I'm not uneasy about Clinton winning, as well.
As has been discussed here before, she's the lesser of two 'evils' and to be fair to most American dakka members, they have acknowledged this.
But earlier, I was watching the old footage of Clinton lying about being under sniper fire, and |I thought to myself, Trump would be a disaster,
but a Clinton administration is not that great for the USA, either....
It's a choice I'm glad I don't have to make, and that's no insult to0 the USA as I freely admit that British politics is equally a mess.
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Tannhauser42 wrote: The Nixon/Clinton comparison is fairly apt. Because the thing that's really biting them in the ass isn't the original act (Watergate, email server), but their attempts afterward to cover it up, hide it, and/or lie about it.
I still say if Hillary had just fessed up to it all at the beginning, the email thing would have ended up being far less of an issue.
Exactly. The cover up is always worse than the original crime, especially in politics.
To your first point, glass houses are a bitch and this year it seems everybody's living in one. I'm trying to get across a point that nobody is going to come out of this uncut, I just want to be in the house that won't come crashing down around me and take the other houses in the neighborhood down with it.
To the second point, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. Intent is always at the heart of the issue and crime, if you want to take it there. In that light, there is NO comparison of Nixon to Clinton. As I stated in my Jerry Maguire moment, she was guilty of poor judgement and arrogance...a character flaw she has repeatedly displayed and is at the root of her disapproval ratings...but adults have their foibles, we ALL do and it has cost her disproportionately in this matter. A news reporter, just yesterday, showed a graph displaying the coverage of Watergate vs this email nonsense and guess which has gotten more coverage? It wasn't even close. Fair? Hardly, but such is the partisan driven information age we live in. Nixon, on the other hand, was a remorseless thug and a criminal, he acted with criminal intent directing criminal activity. THERE IS NO COMPARISON.
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It's quite simple. We have someone at the federal level who, whether there was intent or not, is up to her eyballs in nefarious schemes to avoid accountability at any cost.
Not to mention her questionable health and her decades long cover up of her husband's dalliances.
whembly wrote: Occam's Razor is that they wanted to keep it out of oversight's reach to facilitate pay-to-play schemes with their Foundation.
And yet somehow these emails were very much within oversight's reach when oversight decided to investigate.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Mitochondria wrote: It's quite simple. We have someone at the federal level who, whether there was intent or not, is up to her eyballs in nefarious schemes to avoid accountability at any cost.
Not to mention her questionable health and her decades long cover up of her husband's dalliances.
And on the other hand...
We have someone who said rude things.
So intentional obtuseness, then.
How tiresome.
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Mitochondria wrote: It's quite simple. We have someone at the federal level who, whether there was intent or not, is up to her eyballs in nefarious schemes to avoid accountability at any cost.
Not to mention her questionable health and her decades long cover up of her husband's dalliances.
And on the other hand...
We have someone who said rude things.
And sexually assaulted numerous women. And conned tons of people. And is blatantly racist. And constantly lies. And has his own health vouched for by a man who's clearly the Dude in a lab coat. And keeps rumbling about using nukes. And is actually less transparent in his dealings than Clinton. And has called on Russia to hack his political opponent. And, in fact, seems way too eager to impress Putin. And has been vouched for by the dictator of North Korea - and the freakin' KKK. And openly expressed admiration for Saddam Hussein. And, you know, doesn't actually seem to be interested in doing the job he's applying for.
Stop pretending that the only reason people think Donald Trump is a garbage fire is because he said the word 'pussy'.
Mitochondria wrote: Its not sexual assault when the women are willing participants.
I hate to break it to you, but some women throw themselves are rich and powerful men.
Nevertheless at the very minimum it puts him on level with Billy Boy.
Yeah right. Grabbing women from certain parts without asking is sexual assault.
Or are you one of those that think certain type of clothing justifies rape?
Also what you have to say about him lying compulsively all the time, deleting records requested by court, proposing spread of nukes and USING nukes and policies that are designed to ensure rich pay even less taxes?
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Ashiraya wrote: BigWaaagh, I wish I could exalt that post more than once. I cannot comprehend how people even can compare the two candidates.
Because, at the end of the day, Hillary is a Democrat, and the only thing that has historically united the disparate groups within the GOP is not policy, not ideology, but simply opposing the Democrats.
That works in both direction Tanner...
Funny how that wasn't your response when LordofHats said the same thing some time back.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Mitochondria wrote: Its not sexual halfassault when the women are willing participants.
I hate to break it to you, but some women throw themselves are rich and powerful men.
Nevertheless at the very minimum it puts him on level with Billy Boy.
That's quite possibly the rapiest comment I've seen on this forum.
No, we've (sadly) had worse. But, but that is enough for him to get ignored now. I half wonder if it's just A******s under a different username.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Yeah right. Grabbing women from certain parts without asking is sexual assault.
Also what you have to say about him lying compulsively all the time, deleting records requested by court, proposing spread of nukes and USING nukes and policies that are designed to ensure rich pay even less taxes?
When the women are seeking those situations with the intent of improving/strengthening/promoting their lifestyle/position by engaging in sexual congress with the rich and powerful, guess what, sexual things happen.
By you definition everytime I pat my wife on the ass without permission, I am sexually assaulting her.
As to the rest, Clinton has engaged in the exact same practices.
The only difference is I expect that type of behavior from a New York billionaire not some career, "public servant".
A public servant by the way who has become a multi-millionaire in the last 30 years of public service. Pretty funny that everyone is cool with that.
Mitochondria wrote: When the women are seeking those situations with the intent of improving/strengthening/promoting their lifestyle/position by engaging in sexual congress with the rich and powerful, guess what, sexual things happen.
Sorry but just being on same elevator is NOT PERMISSION TO START GROPING!!!
As to the rest, Clinton has engaged in the exact same practices.
Riiiiight. Clinton has never actually proposed using nukes for starters. Haven't heard her saying nukes should be given to even more countries either. Also she hasn't been actually lying all that much. Trump keeps getting caught lying even when truth would be better for him.-
Sorry but you are speaking BS. Not unusual for Trump fanboys. Like master, like followers.
A public servant by the way who has become a multi-millionaire in the last 30 years of public service. Pretty funny that everyone is cool with that.
You know not everybody hates automatically succesfull people. Shows just your own narrowmindedness. "They became rich, they are bad".
Howabout this: Instead of complaining others get rich work on getting rich yourself.
Ouze wrote: Oh man, an actual "why was she dressed like that in that neighborhood" defense.
Hey quit being sexist.
If a woman wishes to dress provocatively, arrange to be in close proximty to someone rich and powerful, and then engage in sexual relations, that is her choice.
I suppose they could be Mexican, rapist robots. The pandering stream of lies being swallowed could gag a horse.
