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reds8n wrote: Remember these posts next time "checks and balances" is trotted out for gazillionth time.
Why? This is a power of the executive. If the USSC just started deciding who gets clearances and who doesn't, then it would be a check and balance issue.
Funny...nothing in there about the huge ammounts of gerrymanding in districts.
Really, it appears that the Republican strategy is:
Run on the platform that government is bad and doesn't work.
Do everything that you can to fullfill that prophecy while in office through obstructing everything.
Profit.
It's a sad state of affairs that running such a dishonest and hurtful campaign is rewarded.
Both parties gerrymander. Open your eyes.
A) Republicans are doing it to a much greater extent now. You can go back through this thread, but there were numerous discussions about the Democrats being unable to take congress due to all the 'safe' Republican districts due to Gerrymandering.
B) Doesn't make it right regardless of who is doing it.
Gerrymandering does nothing for the governorships, the Senate and of course El Presidente.
Actually, it does. The gerrymandering allowed Republicans to take control of congress, where they could wage a scorched earth policy. This scorched earth policy resulted in nothing of note being done...Therefore 'proving' that government is ineffective and wasteful. Plus it empowers the extremists due to all the safe districts, which has the result of less cooperation and less being done.
Donald Trump is reportedly looking for top-secret clearances for his children, a sign that rather than entering the Oval Office with an eye for avoiding conflicts of interest he’s preparing to rush headlong into a minefield of them.
The president-elect has begun asking how he could secure high level clearances for Ivanka, Eric and Donald Jr., his three adult children with first wife Ivana, as well as for Ivanka’s husband Jared Kushner, according to CNN and CBS. All four family members are members of his transition team, though Trump has said his children won’t serve formal roles in his administration but instead will run the family business while he runs the country.
“This is why we created the nepotism law in the first place. Huge conflicts of interest. You can’t have your kids being advisers. It has to be properly qualified officials who are experts in the fields,” Bradley Moss, a lawyer specializing in security-clearance law, told The Daily Beast. “It’s an issue of comfort for the President-elect because he’s relied on his children so much. But I don’t foresee a viable legal or ethical loophole or exception.”
It’s unclear exactly whether Trump’s request could even be fulfilled—at least legally. A 1967 law prohibits the president from hiring their immediate family members in the federal government, and to have a security clearance an individual must work the government in some capacity: as a civilian, as a military official or a contractor.
“Even if they came in as unpaid advisers, there’s no such thing as an informal government position that allows you to be sponsored for access” to classified information, Moss said. “There’s no exception. There’s no loopholes.”
And it would difficult to see how Trump could argue that his children have a “need to know” without a formal government role.
“This is not the family business, this is the presidency. The days of family nepotism is over, not just due to policy and practice but by law. Security clearances are not candies to be doled out like at Halloween. You must have a ‘need-to-know’ that is supposed to be taken seriously in advancing the business of the government rather than an individual,” said Mark Zaid, another national security lawyer.
But a former Obama administration official said Trump could simply be asking for them to be cleared so they can have unescorted access to parts of the West Wing. Even First Ladies have to be cleared to access that part of the White House, but that doesn’t mean they have access to top-secret areas like the Situation Room, the official said, speaking anonymously because he was not authorized to discuss the clearance process publicly. The level of clearance for people with unescorted access to visit the President in the West Wing is known as “Yankee White,” which could be what Trump is seeking.
CBS, however, reports that Trump wants his kids to be able to see top secret information, defined as information that could cause “exceptionally grave damage to the national security” if released.
If the Trump children ran the Trump Organization while also serving as high-level, informal advisers, their suggested dual roles would invite an unprecedented conflict of interest.
“If President-elect Trump seeks a security clearance for his children, it will show he either has no understanding of the potential conflict of interest problems he faces or doesn’t care,” said Larry Noble, general counsel of the Campaign Legal Center. “If he seeks a security clearance for his children who are running the businesses, it will undermine the credibility of any claim that his children will not be involved in advising him on government policies. It raises the real danger that his children will be able to influence government decisions to benefit Trump businesses and run those businesses with inside knowledge of actions and policies the government take.”
During an interview with Trump and his family on 60 Minutes taped last week, Eric Trump said that the children would remain in New York to run their father’s business. “So we’ll— we’ll— we’ll be in New York and we’ll take care of the business,” the younger Trump said. “I think we’re going to have a lot of fun doing it. And we’re going to make him very proud.”
Ivanka Trump also said that she would not be interested in a formal role in the upcoming administration. “I’m going to be a daughter,” she said when asked about a possible role. “But I’ve— I’ve said throughout the campaign that I am very passionate about certain issues. And that I want to fight for them.”
Interestingly enough, while the law prohibits nepotism, it doesn’t require the president to give up his or her business holdings while serving in the Oval Office.
Eric, Ivanka, and Donald Trump Jr. did not immediately respond to requests to comment for this story.
uh huh.
I can't wait until it's found out that he is sharimg classified info with his children, and the same people chanting "Lock her up," find a way to justify it.
How is it "found out" if they have security clearances?
And from a legal perspective, POTUS is THE classification authority. He can decide who is/is not cleared when it comes down to it. Not saying it is right, but the legal authority is there. Unlike a Sec State having an uncleared maid handle classified documents, or directing subordinates to go around secure coms and directly type in classified info into an unclass system and leave off markings.
It would follow that the SecState would ALSO have that sort of authority.
How is it "found out" if they have security clearances?
They're not going to get security clearance.
If the President of the God D&*^ United States says you get a security clearance, you get a security clearance.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
How is it "found out" if they have security clearances?
They're not going to get security clearance.
The President is the highest authority in the nation, in these regards. If he says someone has a need to know, no one else can really counter him.
But as the article says, there are nepotism laws that prevent this. The President cannot legally hire immediate family members. And unpaid, informal advisers are not allowed to have classified access. If Trump wants to push this, he's going to break laws by either giving classified access to people who cannot legally have it, or by hiring his wife and children illegally.
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Donald Trump is reportedly looking for top-secret clearances for his children, a sign that rather than entering the Oval Office with an eye for avoiding conflicts of interest he’s preparing to rush headlong into a minefield of them.
The president-elect has begun asking how he could secure high level clearances for Ivanka, Eric and Donald Jr., his three adult children with first wife Ivana, as well as for Ivanka’s husband Jared Kushner, according to CNN and CBS. All four family members are members of his transition team, though Trump has said his children won’t serve formal roles in his administration but instead will run the family business while he runs the country.
“This is why we created the nepotism law in the first place. Huge conflicts of interest. You can’t have your kids being advisers. It has to be properly qualified officials who are experts in the fields,” Bradley Moss, a lawyer specializing in security-clearance law, told The Daily Beast. “It’s an issue of comfort for the President-elect because he’s relied on his children so much. But I don’t foresee a viable legal or ethical loophole or exception.”
It’s unclear exactly whether Trump’s request could even be fulfilled—at least legally. A 1967 law prohibits the president from hiring their immediate family members in the federal government, and to have a security clearance an individual must work the government in some capacity: as a civilian, as a military official or a contractor.
“Even if they came in as unpaid advisers, there’s no such thing as an informal government position that allows you to be sponsored for access” to classified information, Moss said. “There’s no exception. There’s no loopholes.”
And it would difficult to see how Trump could argue that his children have a “need to know” without a formal government role.
“This is not the family business, this is the presidency. The days of family nepotism is over, not just due to policy and practice but by law. Security clearances are not candies to be doled out like at Halloween. You must have a ‘need-to-know’ that is supposed to be taken seriously in advancing the business of the government rather than an individual,” said Mark Zaid, another national security lawyer.
But a former Obama administration official said Trump could simply be asking for them to be cleared so they can have unescorted access to parts of the West Wing. Even First Ladies have to be cleared to access that part of the White House, but that doesn’t mean they have access to top-secret areas like the Situation Room, the official said, speaking anonymously because he was not authorized to discuss the clearance process publicly. The level of clearance for people with unescorted access to visit the President in the West Wing is known as “Yankee White,” which could be what Trump is seeking.
CBS, however, reports that Trump wants his kids to be able to see top secret information, defined as information that could cause “exceptionally grave damage to the national security” if released.
If the Trump children ran the Trump Organization while also serving as high-level, informal advisers, their suggested dual roles would invite an unprecedented conflict of interest.
“If President-elect Trump seeks a security clearance for his children, it will show he either has no understanding of the potential conflict of interest problems he faces or doesn’t care,” said Larry Noble, general counsel of the Campaign Legal Center. “If he seeks a security clearance for his children who are running the businesses, it will undermine the credibility of any claim that his children will not be involved in advising him on government policies. It raises the real danger that his children will be able to influence government decisions to benefit Trump businesses and run those businesses with inside knowledge of actions and policies the government take.”
During an interview with Trump and his family on 60 Minutes taped last week, Eric Trump said that the children would remain in New York to run their father’s business. “So we’ll— we’ll— we’ll be in New York and we’ll take care of the business,” the younger Trump said. “I think we’re going to have a lot of fun doing it. And we’re going to make him very proud.”
Ivanka Trump also said that she would not be interested in a formal role in the upcoming administration. “I’m going to be a daughter,” she said when asked about a possible role. “But I’ve— I’ve said throughout the campaign that I am very passionate about certain issues. And that I want to fight for them.”
Interestingly enough, while the law prohibits nepotism, it doesn’t require the president to give up his or her business holdings while serving in the Oval Office.
Eric, Ivanka, and Donald Trump Jr. did not immediately respond to requests to comment for this story.
uh huh.
I can't wait until it's found out that he is sharimg classified info with his children, and the same people chanting "Lock her up," find a way to justify it.
How is it "found out" if they have security clearances?
And from a legal perspective, POTUS is THE classification authority. He can decide who is/is not cleared when it comes down to it. Not saying it is right, but the legal authority is there. Unlike a Sec State having an uncleared maid handle classified documents, or directing subordinates to go around secure coms and directly type in classified info into an unclass system and leave off markings.
It would follow that the SecState would ALSO have that sort of authority.
The SecState does not have authority to give an unsecure server a security clearance...
There is still something like 1% still being tallied. In the end, it doesn't matter though. The electoral votes are solidified at this point. Still tallying California and Washington's popular vote isn't gonna change that.
Gerrymandering does nothing for the governorships, the Senate and of course El Presidente.
Actually, it does. The gerrymandering allowed Republicans to take control of congress, where they could wage a scorched earth policy. This scorched earth policy resulted in nothing of note being done...Therefore 'proving' that government is ineffective and wasteful. Plus it empowers the extremists due to all the safe districts, which has the result of less cooperation and less being done.
Not the Senate. Senate positions are statewide.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
But as the article says, there are nepotism laws that prevent this. The President cannot legally hire immediate family members. And unpaid, informal advisers are not allowed to have classified access. If Trump wants to push this, he's going to break laws by either giving classified access to people who cannot legally have it, or by hiring his wife and children illegally.
good points. A quandary arises!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Co'tor Shas wrote: Didn't they just say that nepotism laws stop him from giving them security clearance?
No.
They cannot be employed by their father within the Executive Branch. That does not mean they can't be granted security clearances.
You don't need to be part of the government to have security clearance? That seems wrong...?
It comes down to a need to know. As stated, the President is kind of the highest authority on this. If granted a clearance, they will still be held responsible for adhering to the requirements of those clearances, and the punishments involved for violating them.
Co'tor Shas wrote: Didn't they just say that nepotism laws stop him from giving them security clearance?
No.
They cannot be employed by their father within the Executive Branch. That does not mean they can't be granted security clearances.
You don't need to be part of the government to have security clearance? That seems wrong...?
It comes down to a need to know. As stated, the President is kind of the highest authority on this. If granted a clearance, they will still be held responsible for adhering to the requirements of those clearances, and the punishments involved for violating them.
But in this case there are very specific laws preventing this. The President actually cannot just say, "This person needs to know, give them clearance." If they are not a government employee in some capacity, they cannot be given security clearance. And Trump cannot hire his kids and wife as government employee.
So are you saying that Trump should break the law in order to favor his kids and not risk blabbing classified information to people who aren't cleared for it?
There is still something like 1% still being tallied. In the end, it doesn't matter though. The electoral votes are solidified at this point. Still tallying California and Washington's popular vote isn't gonna change that.
Why is there no balance against this? 800K votes is a LOT of people. Should there not be a clause in system that says if a certain percentage of popular votes exceeds the Electoral college votes that the popular votes win instead?
I thought the whole point of the EC was to prevent "certain groups" from having a "tyranny" over others. Isn't that exactly what this election is doing?
Donald Trump is reportedly looking for top-secret clearances for his children, a sign that rather than entering the Oval Office with an eye for avoiding conflicts of interest he’s preparing to rush headlong into a minefield of them.
The president-elect has begun asking how he could secure high level clearances for Ivanka, Eric and Donald Jr., his three adult children with first wife Ivana, as well as for Ivanka’s husband Jared Kushner, according to CNN and CBS. All four family members are members of his transition team, though Trump has said his children won’t serve formal roles in his administration but instead will run the family business while he runs the country.
“This is why we created the nepotism law in the first place. Huge conflicts of interest. You can’t have your kids being advisers. It has to be properly qualified officials who are experts in the fields,” Bradley Moss, a lawyer specializing in security-clearance law, told The Daily Beast. “It’s an issue of comfort for the President-elect because he’s relied on his children so much. But I don’t foresee a viable legal or ethical loophole or exception.”
It’s unclear exactly whether Trump’s request could even be fulfilled—at least legally. A 1967 law prohibits the president from hiring their immediate family members in the federal government, and to have a security clearance an individual must work the government in some capacity: as a civilian, as a military official or a contractor.
“Even if they came in as unpaid advisers, there’s no such thing as an informal government position that allows you to be sponsored for access” to classified information, Moss said. “There’s no exception. There’s no loopholes.”
And it would difficult to see how Trump could argue that his children have a “need to know” without a formal government role.
“This is not the family business, this is the presidency. The days of family nepotism is over, not just due to policy and practice but by law. Security clearances are not candies to be doled out like at Halloween. You must have a ‘need-to-know’ that is supposed to be taken seriously in advancing the business of the government rather than an individual,” said Mark Zaid, another national security lawyer.
But a former Obama administration official said Trump could simply be asking for them to be cleared so they can have unescorted access to parts of the West Wing. Even First Ladies have to be cleared to access that part of the White House, but that doesn’t mean they have access to top-secret areas like the Situation Room, the official said, speaking anonymously because he was not authorized to discuss the clearance process publicly. The level of clearance for people with unescorted access to visit the President in the West Wing is known as “Yankee White,” which could be what Trump is seeking.
CBS, however, reports that Trump wants his kids to be able to see top secret information, defined as information that could cause “exceptionally grave damage to the national security” if released.
If the Trump children ran the Trump Organization while also serving as high-level, informal advisers, their suggested dual roles would invite an unprecedented conflict of interest.
“If President-elect Trump seeks a security clearance for his children, it will show he either has no understanding of the potential conflict of interest problems he faces or doesn’t care,” said Larry Noble, general counsel of the Campaign Legal Center. “If he seeks a security clearance for his children who are running the businesses, it will undermine the credibility of any claim that his children will not be involved in advising him on government policies. It raises the real danger that his children will be able to influence government decisions to benefit Trump businesses and run those businesses with inside knowledge of actions and policies the government take.”
During an interview with Trump and his family on 60 Minutes taped last week, Eric Trump said that the children would remain in New York to run their father’s business. “So we’ll— we’ll— we’ll be in New York and we’ll take care of the business,” the younger Trump said. “I think we’re going to have a lot of fun doing it. And we’re going to make him very proud.”
Ivanka Trump also said that she would not be interested in a formal role in the upcoming administration. “I’m going to be a daughter,” she said when asked about a possible role. “But I’ve— I’ve said throughout the campaign that I am very passionate about certain issues. And that I want to fight for them.”
Interestingly enough, while the law prohibits nepotism, it doesn’t require the president to give up his or her business holdings while serving in the Oval Office.
Eric, Ivanka, and Donald Trump Jr. did not immediately respond to requests to comment for this story.
uh huh.
I can't wait until it's found out that he is sharimg classified info with his children, and the same people chanting "Lock her up," find a way to justify it.
How is it "found out" if they have security clearances?
And from a legal perspective, POTUS is THE classification authority. He can decide who is/is not cleared when it comes down to it. Not saying it is right, but the legal authority is there. Unlike a Sec State having an uncleared maid handle classified documents, or directing subordinates to go around secure coms and directly type in classified info into an unclass system and leave off markings.
It would follow that the SecState would ALSO have that sort of authority.
The SecState does not have authority to give an unsecure server a security clearance...
If the president has the authority to say what is classified and not and who doed have access, it follows that cabinet positions have that authority for things that fall under their umbrella unless countermanded by the president.
Gerrymandering does nothing for the governorships, the Senate and of course El Presidente.
Actually, it does. The gerrymandering allowed Republicans to take control of congress, where they could wage a scorched earth policy. This scorched earth policy resulted in nothing of note being done...Therefore 'proving' that government is ineffective and wasteful. Plus it empowers the extremists due to all the safe districts, which has the result of less cooperation and less being done.
Not the Senate. Senate positions are statewide.
Are you trolling? You would have had to purposefully ignore what I actually wrote to respond with that.
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A little election tidbit.
Oregon's Democratic Secretary of State went down to defeat, marking the first GOP victory in a statewide election in 14 years.
Note: his office was the one that ran the bakery out of business for not making a lesbian wedding cake. Seems like there was a bit of a...reaction
Are you trolling? You would have had to purposefully ignore what I actually wrote to respond with that.
You said Congress. Its not my fault you don't understand how the Senate is elected, and therefore couldn't be gerrymandered.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
There is still something like 1% still being tallied. In the end, it doesn't matter though. The electoral votes are solidified at this point. Still tallying California and Washington's popular vote isn't gonna change that.
Why is there no balance against this? 800K votes is a LOT of people. Should there not be a clause in system that says if a certain percentage of popular votes exceeds the Electoral college votes that the popular votes win instead?
I thought the whole point of the EC was to prevent "certain groups" from having a "tyranny" over others. Isn't that exactly what this election is doing?
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Actually no, if you watched the videos I posted two pages back, you can see it was created with the following in mind:
1 - Protecting States and their voting (Back when states actually mattered)
2 - Protecting against a mob mentality
3 - To protect against the idiot rule
4 - Now commonly referred to as popular vote not always being right for the president (Even though president elected by losing the popular vote have all been so far terrible presidents)
They do not have that clause because it has not been updated in over 200 years I believe. The system is ancient. As I've said maybe six or seven times now?
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From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
If the president has the authority to say what is classified and not and who doed have access, it follows that cabinet positions have that authority for things that fall under their umbrella unless countermanded by the president.
No, it absolutely does not follow. Sec State can say who he/she feels NEEDS a clearance, he/she has zero authority to grant a clearance. He/She is an originator of classified material though.
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Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
Of course the electoral college is flawed -it was designed that way.
I hope people don't have this naive belief that the American Revolution was all about peace, freedom and democracy.
Hell no!
It was one group of elites wanting power from another group of elites.
That their new politcal system reflected this is no accident.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
There is still something like 1% still being tallied. In the end, it doesn't matter though. The electoral votes are solidified at this point. Still tallying California and Washington's popular vote isn't gonna change that.
Why is there no balance against this? 800K votes is a LOT of people. Should there not be a clause in system that says if a certain percentage of popular votes exceeds the Electoral college votes that the popular votes win instead?
I thought the whole point of the EC was to prevent "certain groups" from having a "tyranny" over others. Isn't that exactly what this election is doing?
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Right now its a 0.5% difference. Its not that sizable of a margin.
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Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
There is still something like 1% still being tallied. In the end, it doesn't matter though. The electoral votes are solidified at this point. Still tallying California and Washington's popular vote isn't gonna change that.
Why is there no balance against this? 800K votes is a LOT of people. Should there not be a clause in system that says if a certain percentage of popular votes exceeds the Electoral college votes that the popular votes win instead?
I thought the whole point of the EC was to prevent "certain groups" from having a "tyranny" over others. Isn't that exactly what this election is doing?
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Right now its a 0.5% difference. Its not that sizable of a margin.
So, 800k people isn't that sizable of a margin? Good to know. Go tell 800k people their vote didn't matter.
There is still something like 1% still being tallied. In the end, it doesn't matter though. The electoral votes are solidified at this point. Still tallying California and Washington's popular vote isn't gonna change that.
Why is there no balance against this? 800K votes is a LOT of people. Should there not be a clause in system that says if a certain percentage of popular votes exceeds the Electoral college votes that the popular votes win instead?
I thought the whole point of the EC was to prevent "certain groups" from having a "tyranny" over others. Isn't that exactly what this election is doing?
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Right now its a 0.5% difference. Its not that sizable of a margin.
800,000 People that isn't a big margin. /sarcasm
Percentages are terrible to use in debates.
Thats a big difference, and it is only going to go more up. Trump is now the least popular United States President In history.
So no that is a big problem. That means our country is even more split.
Of course the electoral college is flawed -it was designed that way.
Then why not redesign it?
Not to sound well, Brutish, but why are foreigners defending our electoral college, without understanding its implication in the future? The Electoral College is a problem because of its electors and how it was designed not for the elite, but for not addressing the problems it was originally designed to address.
I feel like reposting what I posted a few pages back about the electoral college. :/
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From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
So, 800k people isn't that sizable of a margin? Good to know. Go tell 800k people their vote didn't matter.
That's kinda where I am now. If you don't live in a "swing" state, your vote doesn't matter.
So instead of being engaged in the political system (like all good Americans are told to do since middle school social studies class), a sizable chuck of us are so filled with apathy that we just don't bother to vote. I am disgusted that this is how the EC is supposed to work
Good job founding fathers!
There is still something like 1% still being tallied. In the end, it doesn't matter though. The electoral votes are solidified at this point. Still tallying California and Washington's popular vote isn't gonna change that.
Why is there no balance against this? 800K votes is a LOT of people. Should there not be a clause in system that says if a certain percentage of popular votes exceeds the Electoral college votes that the popular votes win instead?
I thought the whole point of the EC was to prevent "certain groups" from having a "tyranny" over others. Isn't that exactly what this election is doing?
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Right now its a 0.5% difference. Its not that sizable of a margin.
So, 800k people isn't that sizable of a margin? Good to know. Go tell 800k people their vote didn't matter.
If you are in a solid leaning state (most of them) your vote doesn't matter. This is correct. Welcome to one party rule.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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