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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:09:25
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Pouncey wrote: Desubot wrote:eh was really only commenting about the whole premeditated murder thing which is no bueno.
and honestly of course humanities greatest strength is our minds.
then again even with a a gun that can literally charge it self in the sun, it still has some sort of hard core recoil which makes no fethin sense for a laser so humanity seems to have missed a step or 6.
Laser weapons having recoil is not an uncommon mistake for science fiction and science fantasy to make.
Still, it exists in lore so it makes me sad.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:10:45
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Desubot wrote: Pouncey wrote: Desubot wrote:eh was really only commenting about the whole premeditated murder thing which is no bueno.
and honestly of course humanities greatest strength is our minds.
then again even with a a gun that can literally charge it self in the sun, it still has some sort of hard core recoil which makes no fethin sense for a laser so humanity seems to have missed a step or 6.
Laser weapons having recoil is not an uncommon mistake for science fiction and science fantasy to make.
Still, it exists in lore so it makes me sad.
It really shouldn't.
Warhammer 40k is science fantasy, not science fiction.
Science fiction is the genre that tries to make the fiction suit what we actually know scientifically in the real world. Science fantasy doesn't really care, it's basically just fantasy with high-tech mixed in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:11:05
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Pouncey wrote: Desubot wrote:What in the actual feth does that have to do with anything?
thats some messed up gak.
premeditated murder isnt cool mmk? nor is destruction of evidence and all that jazz, even in self defense or whatever.
It is relevant only because it shows that he wasn't at all confident in taking on someone physically smaller than himself, and thought he'd probably lose. Maybe I shouldn't have brought it up? I don't think that planning to defend your life by taking someone else's should they try to kill you unprovoked counts as premeditated murder though. I'm sure many abused spouses with violent partners or exes have planned something similar.
The part at the end about humans being physically pathetic with our greatest strength being our minds and our technology is still a good point though, isn't it?
Lol, did his murder count on him being drugged up on niquil and the woman with a high powered rifle? How would she beat him? And that's a bad relationship, get your buddy to a therapist immediately and get those kids out of a home with a literal crazy person.
Pouncey wrote: Insectum7 wrote: #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
That is you implying she would roll over, not me. Nice freudian slip though. I said if you had a knife to your throat and you needed the strength to repel the attack, I'd want to be a man because they are scientifically stronger.
Enter some quote about bringing a knife to a gunfight.
-edited out-
Also I want to point out that even on our own planet, our physical combar prowess has never been what made our species the deadliest thing on the planet, to the point we're constantly wiping out species we aren't even trying to cause any harm to. Our minds are what made us powerful, and the technology we use them to create. Relying on your physical body in a fight, as a human, is a stupid idea as it's one of our species' weaknesses. We are NOT fast. We are NOT strong. We are NOT armed with sharp fangs or claws. We have NO biotoxins to use. We do NOT have a thick skin.
Physically, a human is a pathetic excuse for an Alpha predator. It's our minds and our technology which makes us powerful, and men and women are EQUALS in that regard.
You're right, until you're face to face with nothing but a sharp object and only one person is getting out alive. WW2 and even today soldiers are trained hand to hand combat because those situations do happen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:12:23
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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#1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:BossJakadakk wrote: #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:I said if you had a knife to your throat and you needed the strength to repel the attack, I'd want to be a man because they are scientifically stronger.
Citation needed on the scientifics. But all right. What if you wanted to be a man in that situation, but weren't? Women just auto-lose? Is that the common sense?
No, if you had read my post I said there was far too many variables to determine who would win or lose, to the point where it entirely depended on the situation they were in, but a man is stronger, so would have that advantage. Please read my posts, I'm getting tired of repeating myself.
I don't have the time or inclination to reread whole threads each day, apologies for misremembering. But if women don't auto-lose, then what's the deal? Being a man with more strength would give you a slight advantage over being a woman, assuming identical physiology to the real world of 2016 (which remember, we're talking about a fake, 100% made up universe with rules of its own). Plus, what world are they on? What kind of gravity did the woman grow up in, and what about the man? There are more variables in this fictional situation than there would be in real life, allowing for a much greater chance that the woman would even be *stronger* than the man.
Does claim men are stronger than women.
Doesn't prove that's why women were excluded from the draft, doesn't give sources, and the writer is credited as a psychiatrist, philosopher, and writer, so while he has an M.D., is he necessarily qualified to write about biological concerns?
Okay, the second and third parts are me just giving you crap. Only the first is my actual argument against you, because you specifically said women were excluded from the draft because they're physically weaker.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:16:18
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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#1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:Lol, did his murder count on him being drugged up on niquil and the woman with a high powered rifle? How would she beat him? And that's a bad relationship, get your buddy to a therapist immediately and get those kids out of a home with a literal crazy person.
Their relationship has stabilized since then.
Also I've never been in the same state as them. I said it was a WoW guildie, never met either of them in real life.
Pouncey wrote: Insectum7 wrote: #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
That is you implying she would roll over, not me. Nice freudian slip though. I said if you had a knife to your throat and you needed the strength to repel the attack, I'd want to be a man because they are scientifically stronger.
Enter some quote about bringing a knife to a gunfight.
-edited out-
Also I want to point out that even on our own planet, our physical combar prowess has never been what made our species the deadliest thing on the planet, to the point we're constantly wiping out species we aren't even trying to cause any harm to. Our minds are what made us powerful, and the technology we use them to create. Relying on your physical body in a fight, as a human, is a stupid idea as it's one of our species' weaknesses. We are NOT fast. We are NOT strong. We are NOT armed with sharp fangs or claws. We have NO biotoxins to use. We do NOT have a thick skin.
Physically, a human is a pathetic excuse for an Alpha predator. It's our minds and our technology which makes us powerful, and men and women are EQUALS in that regard.
You're right, until you're face to face with nothing but a sharp object and only one person is getting out alive. WW2 and even today soldiers are trained hand to hand combat because those situations do happen.
I'm gonna defer to the guy who said that unless women are an auto-lose to men, differences in the individual are more significant to physical strength and melee capabilities so it doesn't warrant even mentioning.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:25:19
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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BossJakadakk wrote: #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:BossJakadakk wrote: #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:I said if you had a knife to your throat and you needed the strength to repel the attack, I'd want to be a man because they are scientifically stronger.
Citation needed on the scientifics. But all right. What if you wanted to be a man in that situation, but weren't? Women just auto-lose? Is that the common sense?
No, if you had read my post I said there was far too many variables to determine who would win or lose, to the point where it entirely depended on the situation they were in, but a man is stronger, so would have that advantage. Please read my posts, I'm getting tired of repeating myself.
I don't have the time or inclination to reread whole threads each day, apologies for misremembering. But if women don't auto-lose, then what's the deal? Being a man with more strength would give you a slight advantage over being a woman, assuming identical physiology to the real world of 2016 (which remember, we're talking about a fake, 100% made up universe with rules of its own). Plus, what world are they on? What kind of gravity did the woman grow up in, and what about the man? There are more variables in this fictional situation than there would be in real life, allowing for a much greater chance that the woman would even be *stronger* than the man.
Does claim men are stronger than women.
Doesn't prove that's why women were excluded from the draft, doesn't give sources, and the writer is credited as a psychiatrist, philosopher, and writer, so while he has an M.D., is he necessarily qualified to write about biological concerns?
Okay, the second and third parts are me just giving you crap. Only the first is my actual argument against you, because you specifically said women were excluded from the draft because they're physically weaker.
What if the man grew up in stronger gravity? Again, this is entirely anecdotal, so Im basing my arguments off of the real world, which is the closest comparison we have. Put 2 cadians against each other one man, one woman, yadda yadda yadda you know the deal.
And truth be told the draft thing was an assumption. I don't know what the government thought, but that was my best logical guess. And I did look for articles about it, but most of them were just useless, not adressing why they werent in the draft. Maybe it was sexism, who knows.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:26:53
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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I just feel I need to repeat myself.
What would be the difference? Hair is mostly likely to be buzzed so the only thing to differentiate them would be giant boobs that look silly on the model. Is that worth your "diversity"?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:32:27
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Confessor Of Sins
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:I just feel I need to repeat myself.
What would be the difference? Hair is mostly likely to be buzzed so the only thing to differentiate them would be giant boobs that look silly on the model. Is that worth your "diversity"?
Longer hair in a military hairstyle. A female face. A torso that looks female instead of male.
Create a conversion kit with 10 heads and 10 torsos, some slight differences in the faces and hairstyles, and sell it to me for 15 dollars and I will be happy as far as IG go.
Also I'm going to point out for the millionth time that you do not in fact need giant boobs to make a female miniature look female. There are plenty of examples of that out there to prove it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:32:46
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:I just feel I need to repeat myself.
What would be the difference? Hair is mostly likely to be buzzed so the only thing to differentiate them would be giant boobs that look silly on the model. Is that worth your "diversity"?
It certainly wouldn't look too different. at best the heads since everyone would look pretty much the same in 50 pounds of flak gear.
and at 40k heroic scale the girls would need triple Ds and have all the armor ripped off to just denote that she is a female and not just another exceptionally wide man with a heads and hands twice the size of a normal man.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:33:43
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Confessor Of Sins
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Desubot wrote:Slayer-Fan123 wrote:I just feel I need to repeat myself.
What would be the difference? Hair is mostly likely to be buzzed so the only thing to differentiate them would be giant boobs that look silly on the model. Is that worth your "diversity"?
It certainly wouldn't look too different. at best the heads since everyone would look pretty much the same in 50 pounds of flak gear.
and at 40k heroic scale the girls would need triple Ds and have all the armor ripped off to just denote that she is a female and not just another exceptionally wide man with a heads and hands twice the size of a normal man.
So then how do the Vic's Minis that I kept being recommended look? Because I don't want to buy them if that's the case.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:34:51
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Pouncey wrote:Slayer-Fan123 wrote:I just feel I need to repeat myself. What would be the difference? Hair is mostly likely to be buzzed so the only thing to differentiate them would be giant boobs that look silly on the model. Is that worth your "diversity"? Longer hair in a military hairstyle. A female face. A torso that looks female instead of male. Create a conversion kit with 10 heads and 10 torsos, some slight differences in the faces and hairstyles, and sell it to me for 15 dollars and I will be happy as far as IG go. Also I'm going to point out for the millionth time that you do not in fact need giant boobs to make a female miniature look female. There are plenty of examples of that out there to prove it. 15 bucks for a conversion kit? HA  youd be lucky if gw charged your 20 dollars for it but really its the aesthetics that gw has. over sized everything, everything exaggerated so that its obvious from 3-5 feet away. Pouncey wrote: Desubot wrote:Slayer-Fan123 wrote:I just feel I need to repeat myself. What would be the difference? Hair is mostly likely to be buzzed so the only thing to differentiate them would be giant boobs that look silly on the model. Is that worth your "diversity"? It certainly wouldn't look too different. at best the heads since everyone would look pretty much the same in 50 pounds of flak gear. and at 40k heroic scale the girls would need triple Ds and have all the armor ripped off to just denote that she is a female and not just another exceptionally wide man with a heads and hands twice the size of a normal man. So then how do the Vic's Minis that I kept being recommended look? Because I don't want to buy them if that's the case. its the GW Scaling over others. its there brand of heroic. vics obviously looks better but GW wont be changing there line of wonky scale anytime soon. so you would need to work with it or go a complete different line.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:49:06
Subject: Re:Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Vic Minis Arcadian men and women together. You can google the rest of her stuff if you'd like to see more.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:51:03
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Already have a bunch
they are pretty awesome.
wish they would make female convicts as well. wanna make a big block of conscripts for one of my army ideas
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:53:10
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Desubot wrote: Pouncey wrote:Slayer-Fan123 wrote:I just feel I need to repeat myself.
What would be the difference? Hair is mostly likely to be buzzed so the only thing to differentiate them would be giant boobs that look silly on the model. Is that worth your "diversity"?
Longer hair in a military hairstyle. A female face. A torso that looks female instead of male.
Create a conversion kit with 10 heads and 10 torsos, some slight differences in the faces and hairstyles, and sell it to me for 15 dollars and I will be happy as far as IG go.
Also I'm going to point out for the millionth time that you do not in fact need giant boobs to make a female miniature look female. There are plenty of examples of that out there to prove it.
15 bucks for a conversion kit? HA  youd be lucky if gw charged your 20 dollars for it 
Close enough.
I haven't bought miniatures in a while so my sense of their pricing is off.
but really its the aesthetics that gw has.
over sized everything, everything exaggerated so that its obvious from 3-5 feet away.
From 3-5 feet away I expect a vague sense they're probably female, not a distinctly obvious knowledge that they are.
Pouncey wrote: Desubot wrote:Slayer-Fan123 wrote:I just feel I need to repeat myself.
What would be the difference? Hair is mostly likely to be buzzed so the only thing to differentiate them would be giant boobs that look silly on the model. Is that worth your "diversity"?
It certainly wouldn't look too different. at best the heads since everyone would look pretty much the same in 50 pounds of flak gear.
and at 40k heroic scale the girls would need triple Ds and have all the armor ripped off to just denote that she is a female and not just another exceptionally wide man with a heads and hands twice the size of a normal man.
So then how do the Vic's Minis that I kept being recommended look? Because I don't want to buy them if that's the case.
its the GW Scaling over others. its there brand of heroic. vics obviously looks better but GW wont be changing there line of wonky scale anytime soon. so you would need to work with it or go a complete different line.
Uhh, someone in this thread JUST finished telling me that they fit in with GW's minis.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:53:15
Subject: Re:Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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I don't mind the idea of female guardsmen to be honest. A couple of additional heads and torsos so it's optional wouldn't be a bad idea in a plastic kit, but it would be easier just to use full face helmeted heads on Cadian bodies and simply consider some of your guys to be girls. With the armour and baggy uniforms I think it's hardly worth the effort to make some of them marginally more slender, a tiny bit more voluptuous around the chest and slightly shorter. Nobody would even notice it on the tabletop unless you sculpted them with OTT body proportions
One good thing about lacking female IG is it provides a buffer to potential female space marine models. They're not going to make female marines before female guard, so at least that's safe for the time being. Call me conservative but I can't stand the idea of female Astartes. For what it's worth I wouldn't like to see male SoB's either
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 17:54:29
Subject: Re:Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Blacksails wrote:
Vic Minis Arcadian men and women together. You can google the rest of her stuff if you'd like to see more.
Oh look, clearly female IG miniatures that don't have enormous chests nor do they even show off their chests through their uniforms.
Why does anyone bother saying this is an impossibility when they obviously exist? Automatically Appended Next Post: Snake Tortoise wrote:I don't mind the idea of female guardsmen to be honest. A couple of additional heads and torsos so it's optional wouldn't be a bad idea in a plastic kit, but it would be easier just to use full face helmeted heads on Cadian bodies and simply consider some of your guys to be girls. With the armour and baggy uniforms I think it's hardly worth the effort to make some of them marginally more slender, a tiny bit more voluptuous around the chest and slightly shorter. Nobody would even notice it on the tabletop unless you sculpted them with OTT body proportions
One good thing about lacking female IG is it provides a buffer to potential female space marine models. They're not going to make female marines before female guard, so at least that's safe for the time being. Call me conservative but I can't stand the idea of female Astartes. For what it's worth I wouldn't like to see male SoB's either
It is indeed weird that female Space Marines are such a common topic yet pretty much no one ever asks for male Sisters of Battle.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 18:00:17
Subject: Re:Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Pouncey wrote:
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Snake Tortoise wrote:I don't mind the idea of female guardsmen to be honest. A couple of additional heads and torsos so it's optional wouldn't be a bad idea in a plastic kit, but it would be easier just to use full face helmeted heads on Cadian bodies and simply consider some of your guys to be girls. With the armour and baggy uniforms I think it's hardly worth the effort to make some of them marginally more slender, a tiny bit more voluptuous around the chest and slightly shorter. Nobody would even notice it on the tabletop unless you sculpted them with OTT body proportions
One good thing about lacking female IG is it provides a buffer to potential female space marine models. They're not going to make female marines before female guard, so at least that's safe for the time being. Call me conservative but I can't stand the idea of female Astartes. For what it's worth I wouldn't like to see male SoB's either
It is indeed weird that female Space Marines are such a common topic yet pretty much no one ever asks for male Sisters of Battle.
Actually that one is explained quite simply in the lore as well.
the church cannot have any "men" at arms as a way to keep their power in check.
so they went with "women"
ah semantics. not sure how they are getting away with the priests though.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 18:02:26
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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No one said it was impossible. And maybe the reason you don't get many Sisters of Battle dudes is because, well, the whole sisters part.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 18:06:48
Subject: Re:Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Desubot wrote:Actually that one is explained quite simply in the lore as well.
the church cannot have any "men" at arms as a way to keep their power in check.
so they went with "women"
ah semantics. not sure how they are getting away with the priests though.
No, I know why the lore says they can't. But Space Marines being stated to be biologically impossible to create from a female human is a lot more solid for female Space Marines not being a thing than simple law that says men can't be Sisters of Battle.
Because people break human laws all the time, but I've yet to see a human overcome their biological impossibility to switch genders at will so they can reproduce in an environment where their gender is lacking in numbers (there are actually some species on Earth which can do this).
By the way, there were lots of other examples I considered for that, but I rejected them because technology has made some of those things possible. Flight was my first choice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 18:07:04
Subject: Re:Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Snake Tortoise wrote:
One good thing about lacking female IG is it provides a buffer to potential female space marine models.
I can have Eldar marines though, because I have Eldar heads.
The idea that we ought not have female human heads out of fear that they would be put on Space Marine models is a little ridiculous.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 18:08:47
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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#1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:No one said it was impossible. And maybe the reason you don't get many Sisters of Battle dudes is because, well, the whole sisters part.
No, it's because Sisters of Battle are required by law to be female.
My point is that 40k players asking for impossible combinations favor female Space Marines over male Sisters of Battle to a degree where people asking for the latter is almost unheard of and people asking for the former number so high it's become a point of contention no one ever wants to discuss again. They're both impossible according to the lore, and should stay that way, but WHY do people ask for female Astartes and NOT male Sororitas?
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Insectum7 wrote: Snake Tortoise wrote:
One good thing about lacking female IG is it provides a buffer to potential female space marine models.
I can have Eldar marines though, because I have Eldar heads.
The idea that we ought not have female human heads out of fear that they would be put on Space Marine models is a little ridiculous.
I think they meant that GW would provide female IG BEFORE female Astartes, so as long as female IG aren't a thing they know that the time is not drawing near for female Astartes.
GW does in fact produce female heads, and there's an unhelmeted plastic Sororitas head on the Immolator frame which would probably fit pretty well on a Space Marine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 18:11:47
Subject: Re:Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Pouncey wrote: Desubot wrote:Actually that one is explained quite simply in the lore as well.
the church cannot have any "men" at arms as a way to keep their power in check.
so they went with "women"
ah semantics. not sure how they are getting away with the priests though.
No, I know why the lore says they can't. But Space Marines being stated to be biologically impossible to create from a female human is a lot more solid for female Space Marines not being a thing than simple law that says men can't be Sisters of Battle.
Because people break human laws all the time, but I've yet to see a human overcome their biological impossibility to switch genders at will so they can reproduce in an environment where their gender is lacking in numbers (there are actually some species on Earth which can do this).
By the way, there were lots of other examples I considered for that, but I rejected them because technology has made some of those things possible. Flight was my first choice.
Ah thats what ya meant.
mmmm no there really isnt anything stopping a man from joining the sisterhood. besides getting shot for immediate heresy.
as to why its not asked often. is probably because there is no real discussion or demand for it(?)
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 18:12:07
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Pouncey wrote:
It's unacceptable because in the lore, Imperial Guard are not limited to having their women be Commissars, rocketeers, and grenade launcher wielders. And Eldar are unacceptable because female Eldar are not limited to being Banshees and a small portion of Guardians.
It's unacceptable because the lore says these armies have lots of women, that those women look different from men, and yet the models are almost all male.
Your argument does not work. GW cares for the fluff about as much as Martel, and seems to think that 40k needs to be a sausagefest to be even remotely marketable.
That is all that matters to the 40k productline.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 18:13:29
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Pouncey wrote: #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:No one said it was impossible. And maybe the reason you don't get many Sisters of Battle dudes is because, well, the whole sisters part.
No, it's because Sisters of Battle are required by law to be female.
My point is that 40k players asking for impossible combinations favor female Space Marines over male Sisters of Battle to a degree where people asking for the latter is almost unheard of and people asking for the former number so high it's become a point of contention no one ever wants to discuss again. They're both impossible according to the lore, and should stay that way, but WHY do people ask for female Astartes and NOT male Sororitas?
Because the name Space Marines is at least unisex and it's GeeDubs flagship faction so more players would be exposed to the great diversity that is 40k! /s
And like I said in my other post, their name and laws make it a girls-only club. And when you're a dude, why become a sister when you can become a space marine?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 18:14:33
Subject: Re:Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Desubot wrote: Pouncey wrote: Desubot wrote:Actually that one is explained quite simply in the lore as well.
the church cannot have any "men" at arms as a way to keep their power in check.
so they went with "women"
ah semantics. not sure how they are getting away with the priests though.
No, I know why the lore says they can't. But Space Marines being stated to be biologically impossible to create from a female human is a lot more solid for female Space Marines not being a thing than simple law that says men can't be Sisters of Battle.
Because people break human laws all the time, but I've yet to see a human overcome their biological impossibility to switch genders at will so they can reproduce in an environment where their gender is lacking in numbers (there are actually some species on Earth which can do this).
By the way, there were lots of other examples I considered for that, but I rejected them because technology has made some of those things possible. Flight was my first choice.
Ah thats what ya meant.
mmmm no there really isnt anything stopping a man from joining the sisterhood. besides getting shot for immediate heresy.
as to why its not asked often. is probably because there is no real discussion or demand for it(?)
And there you have it. There is NO REAL DEMAND for MORE men in WH40k, but there IS a real demand for more WOMEN in WH40k. Automatically Appended Next Post: #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote: Pouncey wrote: #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:No one said it was impossible. And maybe the reason you don't get many Sisters of Battle dudes is because, well, the whole sisters part.
No, it's because Sisters of Battle are required by law to be female.
My point is that 40k players asking for impossible combinations favor female Space Marines over male Sisters of Battle to a degree where people asking for the latter is almost unheard of and people asking for the former number so high it's become a point of contention no one ever wants to discuss again. They're both impossible according to the lore, and should stay that way, but WHY do people ask for female Astartes and NOT male Sororitas?
Because the name Space Marines is at least unisex and it's GeeDubs flagship faction so more players would be exposed to the great diversity that is 40k! /s
And like I said in my other post, their name and laws make it a girls-only club. And when you're a dude, why become a sister when you can become a space marine?
The lore is only involved in the sense that both options are impossible for one reason or another.
The question I'm asking is why PLAYERS are asking for one and not the other.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 18:18:55
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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What's your point? We have already established there's enough men in 40k.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 18:19:20
Subject: Re:Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Pouncey wrote: Desubot wrote: Pouncey wrote: Desubot wrote:Actually that one is explained quite simply in the lore as well.
the church cannot have any "men" at arms as a way to keep their power in check.
so they went with "women"
ah semantics. not sure how they are getting away with the priests though.
No, I know why the lore says they can't. But Space Marines being stated to be biologically impossible to create from a female human is a lot more solid for female Space Marines not being a thing than simple law that says men can't be Sisters of Battle.
Because people break human laws all the time, but I've yet to see a human overcome their biological impossibility to switch genders at will so they can reproduce in an environment where their gender is lacking in numbers (there are actually some species on Earth which can do this).
By the way, there were lots of other examples I considered for that, but I rejected them because technology has made some of those things possible. Flight was my first choice.
Ah thats what ya meant.
mmmm no there really isnt anything stopping a man from joining the sisterhood. besides getting shot for immediate heresy.
as to why its not asked often. is probably because there is no real discussion or demand for it(?)
And there you have it. There is NO REAL DEMAND for MORE men in WH40k, but there IS a real demand for more WOMEN in WH40k.
Excuse me sir
please dont put fethin words in my mouth.
there is no real demand for men in sisters of battle.
that is what was being discussed not the whole of 40k.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 18:20:42
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Pouncey wrote: but WHY do people ask for female Astartes and NOT male Sororitas?
Because the draw to Space Marines is not because they are male, but because they are awesome.
They're the big heroes (and villains) of the background, and get tons of support. If you wanted male Sisters there are already plenty of options for a male in power armor.
Pouncey wrote:
GW does in fact produce female heads, and there's an unhelmeted plastic Sororitas head on the Immolator frame which would probably fit pretty well on a Space Marine.
Good point! I forgot about those. I wonder if one would fit on Marneus Calgar. . .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 18:32:05
Subject: Re:Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Desubot wrote:Excuse me sir
please dont put fethin words in my mouth.
there is no real demand for men in sisters of battle.
that is what was being discussed not the whole of 40k.
I was extrapolating from the specific to the general.
If you'd like, we could include the various people asking for female Eldar, female Tau, female Imperial Guard, and I've even heard requests for female Necrons on occasion.
Yet very little demand for more men in the factions, correction, faction, of humanoids where male models do not already have a significant presence?
Maybe people are asking for more female options and not so much male options because there's enough males in the model range to satisfy pretty much everyone looking for them, but a still untapped demand of people looking for female variants of the armies that don't have them yet?
Maybe this means that, since I ascertained this from Dakka and this forum in particular, there actually IS a decent market for diversity in 40k?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/18 18:37:08
Subject: Adding more diversity to the 40K universe.
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Except everyone asking for female stuff is a minority. GW need to see good, solid, statistics before they spend a lot of money just for diversity instead of the next big model or campaign, which would probably rope them more sales.
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