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 Damikeis wrote:
I was not trolling at all. That is what happened.

So the salt mines are operative, I see.

And by bull gak I mean those dumb silly rules like "Pride of the Reiksguard"


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Even you have to admit those are awful.

 Damikeis wrote:
And by bull gak I mean those dumb silly rules like "Pride of the Reiksguard"


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Even you have to admit those are awful.

I'll admit those are awful when they are on the ruleset
*glances warscroll*

Oh wait, they aren't! It's what happens when someone makes a joke, it's not always there.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160218202334/https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-the-empire-en.pdf Page 4

 Damikeis wrote:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160218202334/https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-the-empire-en.pdf Page 4

>Using obsolete rulesources. Bravo.

Obsolete? I got that from GW's website. Here is the same link https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-the-empire-en.pdf

 Damikeis wrote:
Obsolete? I got that from GW's website. Here is the same link https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-the-empire-en.pdf

Yeah... not going to overheat that head of yours with the updates of individual warscrolls. Have fun, you're right with your nitpick.

So you admit I won? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah! I win! HA HA

 Damikeis wrote:
Obsolete? I got that from GW's website. Here is the same link https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-the-empire-en.pdf

Most people use the grand alliance book than the compendiums many of the warscrolls there have been removed and many warscrolls that made it into the grand alliance tome have been changed and updated. Case example his warscroll Kurt is not part of the grand alliance book free people BUT if you want to use that OLD warscroll it's down to who you are playing with. Heck you can't even buy him anymore on the game workshop site. Hence why if you dislike such a thing you can you know talk with the person you are playing.

Hell in my store no one has used any of those "joke" rules most people stick with the updated stuff. Now if someone came with his model and wanted to use it? We just count he has the special rule where he can re roll his failed hit rolls it's not a big deal unless you make it such he is not even THAT good.

Guys, you're all getting nowhere fast.

This is the Wfb section, let Damikeis have his fun. That's what most 8th sections are nowadays anyway, AoS bashes and the occasional 8th list question.(Shrugs)

 thekingofkings wrote:
what I have noticed here is an almost complete retreat of GW. You used to be able to go to any store in town and get a game of 40k, and much less but still viable and there WHFB, since 40k has gone "off the rails" so to say with super heavies and flyers and epic scale everywhere and AoS, you have to go to GW or you are just not gonna get a GW game in. I tried bringing AoS to my local store and the result was a resounding "that game sucks"

Now you see, this is why I don't understand people wanting GW to close all it's little stores. They're a huge money sink yeah but it can be the only place to get some games in if shops are playing other things or there's no flgs at all in the area.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Guys, you're all getting nowhere fast.

This is the Wfb section, let Damikeis have his fun. That's what most 8th sections are nowadays anyway, AoS bashes and the occasional 8th list question.(Shrugs)

 thekingofkings wrote:
what I have noticed here is an almost complete retreat of GW. You used to be able to go to any store in town and get a game of 40k, and much less but still viable and there WHFB, since 40k has gone "off the rails" so to say with super heavies and flyers and epic scale everywhere and AoS, you have to go to GW or you are just not gonna get a GW game in. I tried bringing AoS to my local store and the result was a resounding "that game sucks"

Now you see, this is why I don't understand people wanting GW to close all it's little stores. They're a huge money sink yeah but it can be the only place to get some games in if shops are playing other things or there's no flgs at all in the area.

You are right I shall drop it.

Haha, sorry! I always appreciate you sticking up for AoS but I just see this as a waste of time.

Lord Kragan wrote:
He said it's unlikely and I can still dream. He said it's unlikely yeah, but most likely they'll have a test subject mucking around witht he Astral Templars... which ain't that different than orruks to be honest.

Mainly a human force but I'm sure he'll have some non-humans for prototypes and gaks and giggles.

That'd definitely be cool to see.

I bet that'll reference that in the future, it'd be a great callback to the early AoS discussions.

Damikeis wrote:My shop still stocks a ton of Fantasy stuff, guess the owner's have good taste.

I'd stock up if I were you.

And there's the question of the day: if you are an AOS player and not a WFB Legacy player, why are you even in this subforum, let alone in a thread actively trying to goad someone? THIS is the exact kind of behavior that is dividing the community, and it isn't going to win hearts and minds in here as it is.

There's something called freedom of expression. In addition, this is a discussion about AoS, if you haven't seen the fact that it's been alluded a lot of times. Also, "dividing the community"? Sorry to break this but these are two separate communities by and large that won't change their tune.

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 thekingofkings wrote:
what I have noticed here is an almost complete retreat of GW. You used to be able to go to any store in town and get a game of 40k, and much less but still viable and there WHFB, since 40k has gone "off the rails" so to say with super heavies and flyers and epic scale everywhere and AoS, you have to go to GW or you are just not gonna get a GW game in. I tried bringing AoS to my local store and the result was a resounding "that game sucks"

Efff, my city has six LGS, two GWs. Fantasy was pretty much a dead thing but I've seen a lot of AoS activity. Heck I didn't play fantasy and bought 500 euros in AoS minis. I've come to realize this game is a lot case by case. Either it goes bang or it doesn't stick at all.

I have heard it is Much more popular in Europe than the US.

From what I know it does have quite a following there. Heck, England's had already somewhere along the lines of four or so tournaments (big ones) since the publishing of GHB.

Lord Kragan wrote:
From what I know it does have quite a following there. Heck, England's had already somewhere along the lines of four or so tournaments (big ones) since the publishing of GHB.

I am in a metro area of over 3 million, with at least a dozen stores and I can only play AoS at one of them, thats not a good following at all. We tried getting it going at the biggest game store in the metro area and the answer was a resounding "NO" the GW is the smallest store by orders of magnitude and with only 2 tables we have to share with 40k. That is not good in any way. pretty much x-wing and warmahordes have rendered gw extinct here. There are no tourneys of it in 3 states. and to get into an even somewhat regular group, I have to drive over 70 miles to a different city altogether. anecdotal yes, but in way of comparison, your metro area is about half our size and I would guess neither warmahordes or x-wing are particularly big there.

 thekingofkings wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
From what I know it does have quite a following there. Heck, England's had already somewhere along the lines of four or so tournaments (big ones) since the publishing of GHB.

I am in a metro area of over 3 million, with at least a dozen stores and I can only play AoS at one of them, thats not a good following at all. We tried getting it going at the biggest game store in the metro area and the answer was a resounding "NO" the GW is the smallest store by orders of magnitude and with only 2 tables we have to share with 40k. That is not good in any way. pretty much x-wing and warmahordes have rendered gw extinct here. There are no tourneys of it in 3 states. and to get into an even somewhat regular group, I have to drive over 70 miles to a different city altogether. anecdotal yes, but in way of comparison, your metro area is about half our size and I would guess neither warmahordes or x-wing are particularly big there.

Ouf that's brutal... and also a rather low contentration. I mean, Barcelona has 1.3 Million in the Metro area and we have aroung six independent stores and two GWs (one as you describe and the other has somewhere along the lines of four tables plus two small ones dedicated to dioramas that can be turned into an impromptu table). And they do have a bunch of AoS players. Heck my Main LGS has like 30+ AoS players (then again it has quite a few tables).

Lord Kragan wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
From what I know it does have quite a following there. Heck, England's had already somewhere along the lines of four or so tournaments (big ones) since the publishing of GHB.

I am in a metro area of over 3 million, with at least a dozen stores and I can only play AoS at one of them, thats not a good following at all. We tried getting it going at the biggest game store in the metro area and the answer was a resounding "NO" the GW is the smallest store by orders of magnitude and with only 2 tables we have to share with 40k. That is not good in any way. pretty much x-wing and warmahordes have rendered gw extinct here. There are no tourneys of it in 3 states. and to get into an even somewhat regular group, I have to drive over 70 miles to a different city altogether. anecdotal yes, but in way of comparison, your metro area is about half our size and I would guess neither warmahordes or x-wing are particularly big there.

Ouf that's brutal... and also a rather low contentration. I mean, Barcelona has 1.3 Million in the Metro area and we have aroung six independent stores and two GWs (one as you describe and the other has somewhere along the lines of four tables plus two small ones dedicated to dioramas that can be turned into an impromptu table). And they do have a bunch of AoS players. Heck my Main LGS has like 30+ AoS players (then again it has quite a few tables).

Indoor activities are not what my state is known for,. When I lived in England virtually every small town around had at least 1 game store (even tiny little huntingdon) GW shot itself in the foot with this stupid 1 man store BS. And I dont have trouble getting games with other AoS players (noone has ever accused my GBT of being OP..ever, and its 12-4) though there is a split there between those who do and dont use points (the vast majority use points, I do not) but getting anyone to try it, ,.. you would think i was trying to convert them to scientology. AoS did itself no favors by keeping its "warhammer" links and comes across as a halfassed game relying on previous models.

for full disclosure here, MY favorite game is Confrontation, a French game that seems to repel people like a skunk wrapped in garbage :(

Lord Kragan wrote:
There's something called freedom of expression. In addition, this is a discussion about AoS, if you haven't seen the fact that it's been alluded a lot of times. Also, "dividing the community"? Sorry to break this but these are two separate communities by and large that won't change their tune.

So slip the shoe on the other foot, how happy would you be if Big D there took his anti-AOS rhetoric in the AOS subforum? I sincerely doubt you'd be as ready to cry "freedom of expression" as you are in this forum. It's no different than when the Bronies would try to turn every single damn thread on every message board into a MLP:FIM discussion. Actually, that's a good point as well, howabout the Warmahordes crowd coming into your AOS threads to rail on AOS and puff up WM/H? You can't say with a straight face that you'd be fine with that.

Just got back from the hobby shop. Shoulda seen the look on this one kid's face when i took the last steam tank before he could get to it.

 Damikeis wrote:
Just got back from the hobby shop. Shoulda seen the look on this one kid's face when i took the last steam tank before he could get to it.

thats kind of.....not nice.

 Just Tony wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
There's something called freedom of expression. In addition, this is a discussion about AoS, if you haven't seen the fact that it's been alluded a lot of times. Also, "dividing the community"? Sorry to break this but these are two separate communities by and large that won't change their tune.

So slip the shoe on the other foot, how happy would you be if Big D there took his anti-AOS rhetoric in the AOS subforum? I sincerely doubt you'd be as ready to cry "freedom of expression" as you are in this forum. It's no different than when the Bronies would try to turn every single damn thread on every message board into a MLP:FIM discussion. Actually, that's a good point as well, howabout the Warmahordes crowd coming into your AOS threads to rail on AOS and puff up WM/H? You can't say with a straight face that you'd be fine with that.

You mean like this ones?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/659903.page

Or... well, virtually any post Kaiyanwang makes regarding AoS, tbh. Still he provides a few insightful points between the sea of bile he has stored across the years he's dealt with GWs gak.

Newsflash, I'd not mind because I'm a person who LOVES to bicker and argue. So how about you don't strawman me and be a person who actually uses arguments rather than: surely you wouldn't in truth!

If anything you should feel ashamed of what you're saying because what you're defending. behind this shaming you're doing on me (you'd not do it in truth, admit it, you'r just like x, if it happened to you you'd not like it, hipocrite!), is defending an echo chamber: you don't want AoS players giving an opinion on AoS. You just want fantasy players to speak on the matter. No, don't come at me with that, you yourself said what the hell is a non-fantasy player doing here!

And that, dear, is the death of reason: when you don't want to hear people disagreeing with you, you're shutting down to any kind of debate. And that's why I say there's no convincing to be done. For people like YOU.

By your own skewed metrics this page, which is related to another game that isn't fantasy, should have been closed.

The very first post is based on AoS, and more than half of the following ones, not counting mine. So how about we... which words did you use in another conversation? Ah yes... how about YOU take a few steps backwards and see the whole picture beyond your own ego?

 thekingofkings wrote:

 Damikeis wrote:
Just got back from the hobby shop. Shoulda seen the look on this one kid's face when i took the last steam tank before he could get to it.

thats kind of.....not nice.

Agreed. You should be helping kids get into the hobby, not feeling good about ruining it for them.

Low move.

Baron Klatz wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:

 Damikeis wrote:
Just got back from the hobby shop. Shoulda seen the look on this one kid's face when i took the last steam tank before he could get to it.

thats kind of.....not nice.

Agreed. You should be helping kids get into the hobby, not feeling good about ruining it for them.

Low move.

Maybe it tore him emotionally, he just hasn't said it. Maybe he handed it to him. C'mon don't assume the worse. He just said: he took it not that he bought it.

I think you dropped this. /s

If that is what happened I fully apologize, though.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Guys, you're all getting nowhere fast.

This is the Wfb section, let Damikeis have his fun. That's what most 8th sections are nowadays anyway, AoS bashes and the occasional 8th list question.(Shrugs)
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That's what happens when forum admins appropriate forums for existing games without notice or consultation and then half-arse moving posts across to the wilderness corner they chose to banish the original users to. It's telling that on those sites I visit where the admins made a new forum for AoS and forced all discussion of it there, the AoS section is tumbleweed while the WHFB forum proceeds at only a slightly reduced pace.

Oh, and you forgot the third thing that WHFB forums like this one consist of these days - snooty, up themselves AoS fans dropping in to sneer and gloat and whinge, because they simply can't bear the idea that somewhere exists where AoS isn't discussed in glowing terms.

Lord Kragan wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:

 Damikeis wrote:
Just got back from the hobby shop. Shoulda seen the look on this one kid's face when i took the last steam tank before he could get to it.

thats kind of.....not nice.

Agreed. You should be helping kids get into the hobby, not feeling good about ruining it for them.

Low move.

Maybe it tore him emotionally, he just hasn't said it. Maybe he handed it to him. C'mon don't assume the worse. He just said: he took it not that he bought it.

I would hope so, because at first glance that post was kind of douchey.

Well lets see em try to beat me with mai new steaaam tank!!!!

 Yodhrin wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Guys, you're all getting nowhere fast.

This is the Wfb section, let Damikeis have his fun. That's what most 8th sections are nowadays anyway, AoS bashes and the occasional 8th list question.(Shrugs)
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That's what happens when admins appropriate forums for existing games without notice or consultation and then half-arse moving posts across to the wilderness corner they chose to banish the original users to. It's telling that on those sites I visit where the admins made a new for AoS and forced all discussion of it there, the AoS section is tumbleweed while the WHFB proceeds at only a slightly reduced pace.

Oh, and you forgot the third thing that WHFB forums like this one consist of these days - snooty, up themselves AoS fans dropping in to sneer and gloat and whinge, because they simply can't bear the idea that somewhere exists where AoS isn't discussed in glowing terms.

Ehm, you may wanna check it by yourself but in the general discussion of AoS's subforum. At most you can see up to mid november at the end of the 1st page. This subforum, which combines tactics, matches and lore questions (things that are separate pages in the AoS one), reaches july on the first page of discussion. So who's exactly the tumbleweed?

You seem to forget, though, that the three most active threads (read, those with more than a dozen replies) are: is WHFB back? or some variation, and they involve AoS, in comments made by YOU guys. Comments that are basically lambasting: "hot-trash." is quite often said. The other third appears to be: look, x is an indicator fantasy's back!

Pretty alive if you ask me, you debate a great breadth of issues with great intensity and we just go and gloat at you non-stop. Can you hand me some of that smoke?


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 Damikeis wrote:
Well lets see em try to beat me with mai new steaaam tank!!!!

The same way I beat my friend's steam tank. Smashing it with a hulking green brute.