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 BoomWolf wrote:

Unlike 30k, is not just IoM vs chaos. There are other players involved, some as small as the tau, others as massive as the necron and nids.

Just like there was in 30k, its funny how they are near completely ignored.

Except it won't. People have always wanted to play with a primarch in 40k, this will let them do it. Increasing the scope and length of a story does not mean that parts of it are invalidated.

Play your game.

We had a literal Demi-God born just the other day! Everything is just being turned up to 11 for the 13th crusade.

If you want to continue having your ork/governors militia off shoot story on planet Blibbidy V then I don't see why having all the big boys in play in that campaign is going to stop you

 BoomWolf wrote:
Yodhrin, you made one mistake in your analysis.

Unlike 30k, is not just IoM vs chaos. There are other players involved, some as small as the tau, others as massive as the necron and nids.
The primes alone, do not make the story any more, as they got competitors all over the place, and not everyone is playing the same game.

Really?? Any Primarch will facesmash the Tau, they have NOTHING to stand against them. They had a very tenuous existence considering any large scale conflict could just wipe them out. Even Farsight would fold very fast.

The Necrons, unless the Silent king returns and unites them again, I don't see them standing up to the IoM for long if Super Duper Primarchs return.

Orcs probably will be about, and the Eldar? A crusade against any Wraithworld and it is Toast. Dark Eldar, might survive, might unless Khan stomps them from within.

The Primarchs in 40k is what they did with fantasy with End times regardless of the shiny models we may get.

While it won't be as big as AoS wiping fantasy clean, it's going to be bad. Very bad.

And it's begun.

S.Y.

 StupidYellow wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Yodhrin, you made one mistake in your analysis.

Unlike 30k, is not just IoM vs chaos. There are other players involved, some as small as the tau, others as massive as the necron and nids.
The primes alone, do not make the story any more, as they got competitors all over the place, and not everyone is playing the same game.

Really?? Any Primarch will facesmash the Tau, they have NOTHING to stand against them. They had a very tenuous existence considering any large scale conflict could just wipe them out. Even Farsight would fold very fast.

The Necrons, unless the Silent king returns and unites them again, I don't see them standing up to the IoM for long if Super Duper Primarchs return.

Orcs probably will be about, and the Eldar? A crusade against any Wraithworld and it is Toast. Dark Eldar, might survive, might unless Khan stomps them from within.

The Primarchs in 40k is what they did with fantasy with End times regardless of the shiny models we may get.

While it won't be as big as AoS wiping fantasy clean, it's going to be bad. Very bad.

And it's begun.

S.Y.

If this means even more awesome models like Nagash and friends, or the Orruk and the Sylvaneth that were created in the AoS timeline, the true end times can't come soon enough

Vorian wrote:

If you want to continue having your ork/governors militia off shoot story on planet Blibbidy V then I don't see why having all the big boys in play in that campaign is going to stop you

You mean like how warhammer players are still fighting Beastmen in the great forest?

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

Vorian wrote:

If you want to continue having your ork/governors militia off shoot story on planet Blibbidy V then I don't see why having all the big boys in play in that campaign is going to stop you

You mean like how warhammer players are still fighting Beastmen in the great forest?

Actually a "skrimish" like game without trays and stringent formation might let you do this more realistically than with WHF...

 Silent Puffin? wrote:


You mean like how warhammer players are still fighting Beastmen in the great forest?

Certainly nothing to stop them. Meanwhile, Beastmen are still being fought in forests round our way in Age of Sigmar...

Introducing Primarchs isn't going to blow up the galaxy.

AoS has given you much more room to invent whichever forest you want, with whichever factions there you want. By design.

Tau couldn't stand up to a Primarch? It's fiction. Much as I'm sure they would invent some way for Tau to remain a viable force, I find it much more likely the Primarchs will be busy with the 13th crusade for the next half decade or so

Yes please, give me all the Primarchs! Been waiting for this for years, and it's wonderful (and now fairly obvious) that Magnus and the Lion would be released for 40k instead of 30k first, as neither of them currently have a FW model. Definitely loving this new direction from GW.

Has Our Lady Atia commented on this?

If not then its bollucks.

 Vankraken wrote:

The current setting isn't tapped out as there are vast regions of space with untold stories and multitude of armies out there that have barely been touched upon. Plus there is the freedom to make up any number of new chapters/regiments/waaaghs/etc or even make up new named characters for existing forces. You can even go back to an earlier time if needed with the only factions that would work for being the Tau and Tyranids to a lesser extend due their arrival being more time restrictive.

You can add side stories to LotR too but the fact remains that the main story has been told and everything else is just window dressing. The zany adventures of that one Elf that appeared briefly in chapter 213 might be fun pulp, but they have no emotional impact because we know they are meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

There is no added value in making up countless new warzones in 40k that have zero importance because we know the main story is frozen 5 seconds to midnight of humanity's extinction.

The plot needs to advance and GW have painted themselves into a corner. The End Times are the only solution. Not a good solution, but the only one.

WHY does the plot need to advance?

Countless warzones that you've made up yourself are the entire point of 40k. There are tens of thousands of ongoing wars, raids, skirmishes etc., none of which have any lasting impact on the slow march towards either the end of humanity or its ascendance to a major psychic species. That's the entire POINT. Your "Governors militia vs some Orks" skirmishes have just as much impact on the actual functioning of the Imperium as that one time Chaos killed an entire hive world because it's Tuesday, i.e. none whatsoever.

It's right there at the start of the books. "To be a man in such times is to be one amongst countless billions...... and whatever happens, you will not be missed". It's the big joke! You have all these powerful characters and even they can't achieve anything.

Non-deaemon primarchs returning changes all this. For a start they're going to tear up the established order of the Imperium, since I'm pretty sure they won't be keen on how the high lords have been running things. And it'll make it NONSENSE, another bloody "soap opera miniatures game" like Warmachine, Battletech (or even, whisper it, X-wing) where there's a galaxy of trillions and only about 17 people who know each other have any effect on anything.

Gah. Horrid.

Also for the record people in the 40k community call it the end times, but it's not the end times. Very reliable rumor mongers have said the setting will not detonate and be restarted like 99.9999% accuracy rating rumor folks.

It's a large lore advancement but it won't see the universe blown up like age of sigmar. It's just easier saying end times than advancing times.

 StupidYellow wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Yodhrin, you made one mistake in your analysis.

Unlike 30k, is not just IoM vs chaos. There are other players involved, some as small as the tau, others as massive as the necron and nids.
The primes alone, do not make the story any more, as they got competitors all over the place, and not everyone is playing the same game.

Really?? Any Primarch will facesmash the Tau, they have NOTHING to stand against them. They had a very tenuous existence considering any large scale conflict could just wipe them out. Even Farsight would fold very fast.

The Necrons, unless the Silent king returns and unites them again, I don't see them standing up to the IoM for long if Super Duper Primarchs return.

Orcs probably will be about, and the Eldar? A crusade against any Wraithworld and it is Toast. Dark Eldar, might survive, might unless Khan stomps them from within.

The Primarchs in 40k is what they did with fantasy with End times regardless of the shiny models we may get.

While it won't be as big as AoS wiping fantasy clean, it's going to be bad. Very bad.

And it's begun.

S.Y.

What do you think the Xenos races are going to do during the end times? Regress? Lose models? Cease existing? Not participate? They are very much apart of these ends times. Much like in age of sigmar where all the factions had something cool and interesting going on all the factions here have something interesting (and all got cool models). I don't expect any faction to be farting rainbows either it's going to be dark and tough times all around for the 40k protagonist factions. They'll likely all get stuff to match a primarch even if it's not directly a primarch.

Adeptus Astartes
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Oh dear....DA get no love here....i wouldn't go counting "any chickens" either.

Via Atia/WoS

-Simon

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 StupidYellow wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Yodhrin, you made one mistake in your analysis.

Unlike 30k, is not just IoM vs chaos. There are other players involved, some as small as the tau, others as massive as the necron and nids.
The primes alone, do not make the story any more, as they got competitors all over the place, and not everyone is playing the same game.

Really?? Any Primarch will facesmash the Tau, they have NOTHING to stand against them. They had a very tenuous existence considering any large scale conflict could just wipe them out. Even Farsight would fold very fast.

The Necrons, unless the Silent king returns and unites them again, I don't see them standing up to the IoM for long if Super Duper Primarchs return.

Orcs probably will be about, and the Eldar? A crusade against any Wraithworld and it is Toast. Dark Eldar, might survive, might unless Khan stomps them from within.

The Primarchs in 40k is what they did with fantasy with End times regardless of the shiny models we may get.

While it won't be as big as AoS wiping fantasy clean, it's going to be bad. Very bad.

And it's begun.

S.Y.

Will be looking very forward to your exiting of the game then, since it causes you so much anguish
The joy of fantasy and sci fi is that everything and anything can happen.
"Primarchs will smash *"
If you think that on the gaming table it would be that easy, you are sadly mistaken and as far as lore goes there is a never ending range of ways to tie things down or balance them.
The world evolves as do the races and the characters.
I get it, you have bought in and have been drinking the Flavor Aid that rumor mongers have been feeding even though none of the credible ones have said anything to support what you are saying and you are scared.
No reason to be up in everyone else's grill about it.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Except it won't. People have always wanted to play with a primarch in 40k, this will let them do it. Increasing the scope and length of a story does not mean that parts of it are invalidated.

GW already made an entire game to cater to people who want to use Primarchs. Why do we need them in 40K too? They obviously fit in 30K but they utterly ruin the theme of 40K.

In your opinion. That is not an immutable truth.

People like different things. Someone getting something you don't like takes NOTHING from you. The world does not revolve around your likes and dislikes.

If you find yourself at a table with someone that brought a Primarch or Daemon Primarch, and you're not into that, simply say "No thank you" and then shake his fething hand. Don't by a grumpy gus. Just smile and move on.

Same as I would do if someone plopped an army of 5 knights in a pick up game. "No thanks. Nice paint job!"

(of course, you and I know that the guy bringing 5 knights to pick up games doesn't fething paint!) Nudge-nudge, wink-wink!

 Graphite wrote:
WHY does the plot need to advance?

Countless warzones that you've made up yourself are the entire point of 40k. There are tens of thousands of ongoing wars, raids, skirmishes etc., none of which have any lasting impact on the slow march towards either the end of humanity or its ascendance to a major psychic species. That's the entire POINT. Your "Governors militia vs some Orks" skirmishes have just as much impact on the actual functioning of the Imperium as that one time Chaos killed an entire hive world because it's Tuesday, i.e. none whatsoever.

It's right there at the start of the books. "To be a man in such times is to be one amongst countless billions...... and whatever happens, you will not be missed". It's the big joke! You have all these powerful characters and even they can't achieve anything.

Non-deaemon primarchs returning changes all this. For a start they're going to tear up the established order of the Imperium, since I'm pretty sure they won't be keen on how the high lords have been running things. And it'll make it NONSENSE, another bloody "soap opera miniatures game" like Warmachine, Battletech (or even, whisper it, X-wing) where there's a galaxy of trillions and only about 17 people who know each other have any effect on anything.

Gah. Horrid.

10-15 years ago you would have been right. It didn't need to advance. When I came in at the start of 3rd edition, the universe was grim and dark and mankind was fighting for survival and that was great. Everything you said applied. But GW escalated. They advanced the clock to a point where everything but the main fight is meaningless. Like I said, they painted themselves into a corner. It could have stayed the way it was in 3rd and 4th forever but they messed it up and it can't stay the way it is now and there's no way out but forward. And I agree with your view on those other games' fluff. I hope it doesn't end up that way but GW has been trying to copy PP's design principles in many ways for years now. Outlook grim.

 kronk wrote:


If you find yourself at a table with someone that brought a Primarch or Daemon Primarch, and you're not into that, simply say "No thank you" and then shake his fething hand. Don't by a grumpy gus. Just smile and move on.

Same as I would do if someone plopped an army of 5 knights in a pick up game. "No thanks. Nice paint job!"

(of course, you and I know that the guy bringing 5 knights to pick up games doesn't fething paint!) Nudge-nudge, wink-wink!

Note how we're all referring to the background, not the game.

Ruin wrote:

 kronk wrote:


If you find yourself at a table with someone that brought a Primarch or Daemon Primarch, and you're not into that, simply say "No thank you" and then shake his fething hand. Don't by a grumpy gus. Just smile and move on.

Same as I would do if someone plopped an army of 5 knights in a pick up game. "No thanks. Nice paint job!"

(of course, you and I know that the guy bringing 5 knights to pick up games doesn't fething paint!) Nudge-nudge, wink-wink!

Note how we're all referring to the background, not the game.

Crimson, StupidYellow and others were not. Please note that.

No they were not. Not sure how the theme of 40k is represented on the TT.

Ruin wrote:
No they were not. Not sure how the theme of 40k is represented on the TT.

Read this from Crimson: "GW already made an entire game to cater to people who want to use Primarchs. Why do we need them in 40K too? They obviously fit in 30K but they utterly ruin the theme of 40K."

Crimson specifically talking about the GAME of 30k is where Primarchs should stay and that Primarchs in the GAME of 40k ruins his theme.

If you're going to call someone out, Ruin, you need to make sure you're in the right.

You're welcome.

My friends and I are guessing that Magnus will win and Fenris will be destroyed making the Space Wolves a fleet bound chapter. Lion will be killed, and Cypher will take his place. Calling it now. For once, the bad guys will actually win.

As for all the complaining, it's just a rehash of Imp Knights. People complain that it's not fair, shouldn't be allowed, etc etc, blah blah. Then once they actually play against them, realize it's not a big deal.

I don't see them bringing back the Lion for a one-off with Magnus just to immediately die in a throw-away campaign book that will be obsolete with the release of 8th edition in 6 months.

I could be wrong.

But I won't be.

It would be if they wanted to move forward with the Star Child prophecy, or some other things.

People making their own stories doesn't make GW any significant money, especially now that there are no Warhammer 40k RPGs at the moment with FFG's contract expired.

If a minis company wants to make more money, they need to make new minis to sell. And the best way to do that is to advance the plot. You can only do the "Oh, they actually had this all along!" thing so often and it doesn't drum up nearly as much excitement.

Also, the setting doesn't have to end. If the loyalist primarchs and the daemon primarchs awake or come out at the same time, they kind of cancel each other out in a way, just with a lot more superman punching (and even the superman punching doesn't have to be in every WH40k story. It's a huge galaxy and I doubt all the primarchs can even begin to be everywhere at once. Look at how there are only some AoS stories that feature Nagash and Alarielle and Sigmar, and Malerion on the battlefield, all of whom are now tangible walking gods, while the majority of AoS official stories don't. And I don't think there's been many or any stories that feature any two gods fighting each other in the AoS timeline to my knowledge.

Checked on Adeptus Astartes and he posted this, is this where the rumour came from? I dunno what im supposed to believe.



Shame, was really liking those rumours.

True or not, I don't think it's unlikely at all for the lion to return and if wrath of Magnus is any indication, he would come with a campaign book of goodies.
All I'm praying for is that they turn 40k into a threeway battle with the return of the primarchs. They weren't terribly amused about the high lords of terra even way back when. For a cluesless primarch to return right now and look at the imperium, it would look an awful lot like Horus was right after all. Of course looking at the misshapen abominations that so many legionnaires have become, not to mention being mindless slaves to their gods, they might think that serving the chaos gods might not be the solution either lol