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Frazzled wrote: You're right. One is common practice so that people don't misrepresent their employer. The other was the Obama Administration trying to try leakers...and wiretap reporters s co-conspirators.
How is the EPA announcing the results of (just as an example) an investigation into the effects of an oil spill going to misrepresent their employer?
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Frazzled wrote: You're right. One is common practice so that people don't misrepresent their employer. The other was the Obama Administration trying to try leakers...and wiretap reporters s co-conspirators.
How is the EPA announcing the results of (just as an example) an investigation into the effects of an oil spill going to misrepresent their employer?
Irrelevant what it is, if the employer has a policy that all statements go through one office.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: You're right. One is common practice so that people don't misrepresent their employer. The other was the Obama Administration trying to try leakers...and wiretap reporters s co-conspirators.
Not in government, private business sure, but not government. Governments officials from lots of different organizations, share information, which is publicly available in one way or another, all the time. The information they share already is public, the Trump admin is trying to hide it by making it harder to get to.
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Frazzled wrote: You're right. One is common practice so that people don't misrepresent their employer. The other was the Obama Administration trying to try leakers...and wiretap reporters s co-conspirators.
Not in government, private business sure, but not government. Governments officials from lots of different organizations, share information, which is publicly available in one way or another, all the time. The information they share already is public, the Trump admin is trying to hide it by making it harder to get to.
Not any more.
Do I agree with this? I agree with it ten thousand times as much as I voted for the guys that signed the executive order, 10 hundred thousand times even.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: You're right. One is common practice so that people don't misrepresent their employer. The other was the Obama Administration trying to try leakers...and wiretap reporters s co-conspirators.
How is the EPA announcing the results of (just as an example) an investigation into the effects of an oil spill going to misrepresent their employer?
Depends on who's talking. A given employee might not have the full picture, all the facts or the most current information and therefore inadvertently give misleading statements. Having an employee put the wrong spin on things is also a concern.
Now I don't agree with a blanket dept wide ban on media interaction. The EPA should have a dedicated spokesperson and website through which they communicate with the public and the media. I personally think Trumps policy on this is hamfosted short sighted and counterproductive but I don't think it's illegal. Possibly there are govt transparency laws that the EPA must comply with and issue updates current policy and status to the public and or Congress but I don't know for sure on that.
Can't believe the GOP refuses to work win the democrats and offer a sensible candidate. It's their fault the filibuster gets nuked rather than working with the democrats on finding a candidates they can advise and consent on...
d-usa wrote: Can't believe the GOP refuses to work win the democrats and offer a sensible candidate. It's their fault the filibuster gets nuked rather than working with the democrats on finding a candidates they can advise and consent on...
Those are sensible candidates, and your filibuster is going away. You want to filibuster, you have to do it the way Dog intended, like the right and honorable Mr. Smith! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0031679/
If Trump puts up someone less conservative, he immediately loses half the House and Senate, the NRA, etc. etc.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: You're right. One is common practice so that people don't misrepresent their employer. The other was the Obama Administration trying to try leakers...and wiretap reporters s co-conspirators.
Whose the employer we are talking about? Congress whose legislation the EPA has to carry out? The President who has to carry out the legislation of Congress? Or the people who pay the bills and hire the bosses (Congress and President).
I want to say this. The government is not a business, never has been, never will be. The EPA represents the best interests of the people with in the confines of the mandates of Congress not as a personal mouth piece for the Trump administration to carry out business practices for its cronies.
Co'tor Shas wrote: I'm not sure anyone is claiming it's illegal, it's just a gakky rule, meant to silence naysayers.
I agree.
Wait, we actually agree one something?! Looks like the apocalypse is happening this year after all.
It's so hamfisted...
It's one thing to define a communication policy directing what is/isn't allowed... it's totally another to simply declare it baned.
Oh yea.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: You're right. One is common practice so that people don't misrepresent their employer. The other was the Obama Administration trying to try leakers...and wiretap reporters s co-conspirators.
Whose the employer we are talking about? Congress whose legislation the EPA has to carry out? The President who has to carry out the legislation of Congress? Or the people who pay the bills and hire the bosses (Congress and President).
I want to say this. The government is not a business, never has been, never will be. The EPA represents the best interests of the people with in the confines of the mandates of Congress not as a personal mouth piece for the Trump administration to carry out business practices for its cronies.
or that his Orangeness is now head of the Executive, the Prima Donna, the head Honcho, The Il Duce...er...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Wait, so the state is telling people they're not allowed to talk to someone? Where's the free speech brigade?
It's not a free speech issue it's a matter of job duties per your employer whom you willingly choose to work for. Your employer has the authority to determine who represents them to the media. I can't speak to the media about my employer or as a representative of the company we have a marketing dept/or person for that. EPA employees can still speak to the media just not in regards to the EPA or in an offfical capacity as an EPA employee/representative. Same with social media they can post what they want just not about their employer. I would think that every employer has a company policy regarding how employees represent the employer on social media and people get fired over tweets, posts, etc that make the company look bad all the time. I've voiced my displeasure in seeing companies cave to pressure from online outrage over statements from employees that are pretty clear to be personal views not official or unofficial company positions but it's not illegal.
That's all true. Even so, you have to admit it is rather a bummer to be working in the EPA news and PR department right now.
Still, at least we have more positive evidence about Trump advancing the cause of transparency in government, eh?
I will not tolerate such comments on National Patriotism Day!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: You're right. One is common practice so that people don't misrepresent their employer. The other was the Obama Administration trying to try leakers...and wiretap reporters s co-conspirators.
Whose the employer we are talking about? Congress whose legislation the EPA has to carry out? The President who has to carry out the legislation of Congress? Or the people who pay the bills and hire the bosses (Congress and President).
I want to say this. The government is not a business, never has been, never will be. The EPA represents the best interests of the people with in the confines of the mandates of Congress not as a personal mouth piece for the Trump administration to carry out business practices for its cronies.
or that his Orangeness is now head of the Executive, the Prima Donna, the head Honcho, The Il Duce...er...
You dodged because I'm assuming as a Libertarian, your now less comfortable with expressing support for dictatorship or tyranny in a democratic republic. Because describing our government as being at the will and discretion of the executive is as about as anti libertarian as you can get.
Frazzled wrote: You're right. One is common practice so that people don't misrepresent their employer. The other was the Obama Administration trying to try leakers...and wiretap reporters s co-conspirators.
Whose the employer we are talking about? Congress whose legislation the EPA has to carry out? The President who has to carry out the legislation of Congress? Or the people who pay the bills and hire the bosses (Congress and President).
I want to say this. The government is not a business, never has been, never will be. The EPA represents the best interests of the people with in the confines of the mandates of Congress not as a personal mouth piece for the Trump administration to carry out business practices for its cronies.
or that his Orangeness is now head of the Executive, the Prima Donna, the head Honcho, The Il Duce...er...
You dodged because I'm assuming as a Libertarian, your now less comfortable with expressing support for dictatorship or tyranny in a democratic republic. Because describing our government as being at the will and discretion of the executive is as about as anti libertarian as you can get.
I dodged what? I never expressed support for dictatorship. I didn't even vote for HRC.
Quit listening to the voices in your head. Their fake, unlike the voices in my head, which are real.
Frazzled wrote: I will not tolerate such comments on National Patriotism Day!
You're late by about four days, Frazz.
Under an enlightened trump administration, every day is National Patriotism Day, unless you're a horrible horrible person.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Wait so in this reference America is Gohan, and Racoom is the "enemies of Freedom", and standing there not helping Krillin is clearly the Liberal Agenda... but who the feth is Vegeta XD
Also, Trump on Morality;
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LordofHats wrote: Wait so in this reference America is Gohan, and Racoom is the "enemies of Freedom", and standing there not helping Krillin is clearly the Liberal Agenda... but who the feth is Vegeta XD
Don't use see its china! China is clearly the masterminds.
China is the one that is stealing our jobs! Taking away from the poor and ensuring we aren't free!
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LordofHats wrote: Wait so in this reference America is Gohan, and Racoom is the "enemies of Freedom", and standing there not helping Krillin is clearly the Liberal Agenda... but who the feth is Vegeta XD
Don't use see its china!
China is clearly the masterminds.
China is the one that is stealing our jobs! Taking away from the poor and ensuring we aren't free!
And apparently punching young children to the brink of death XD
Wait, so the state is telling people they're not allowed to talk to someone? Where's the free speech brigade?
It's not a free speech issue it's a matter of job duties per your employer whom you willingly choose to work for. Your employer has the authority to determine who represents them to the media. I can't speak to the media about my employer or as a representative of the company we have a marketing dept/or person for that. EPA employees can still speak to the media just not in regards to the EPA or in an offfical capacity as an EPA employee/representative. Same with social media they can post what they want just not about their employer. I would think that every employer has a company policy regarding how employees represent the employer on social media and people get fired over tweets, posts, etc that make the company look bad all the time. I've voiced my displeasure in seeing companies cave to pressure from online outrage over statements from employees that are pretty clear to be personal views not official or unofficial company positions but it's not illegal.
What are you talking about? We are their employer, not Trump. The guy we hired to run our Government just told the people working for us not to talk to us.
Fixed, for clarity!
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Technically you are the employer of the CIA too, but you don't want them blurting out information about their operations and findings.
However this is to side-step the point, which is that Trump doesn't want bad news about Climate Change escaping from his control. This cunning plan will of course fail because all the other scientists in the world concerned with Climate Change do not work for the EPA and cannot be silenced by Trump.
Presumably Trump will order the EPA to announce "alternative facts" that concur with and support his view rather than scientific findings.
