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All the posts on just how large the Tyranids really are has gotten me thinking. Could the 18 1st founding legions and the 30k Imperium have beaten the Tyranid menace?

I would like to think yes but my money tells me no. The only thing having 18 primarch led legions would do for you is allow you to take the fight to the tyranids. But got help you if they ever got their tendrils on primarch bio-matter.

What do you guys think?

Since the Tyranid hive fleets are of unfathomable size and we have no idea when they are going to stop I doubt any iteration of the Imperium would or will be able to beat the Nids.

by 30k Imperium I'm guessing you also mean all the Primarchs and the lovely God-Emporer of mankind?

If this is the case, tyranids lose hands Down. Emperor is OP, he needs a massive nerf

 EnsignTuna wrote:

If this is the case, tyranids lose hands Down. Emperor is OP, he needs a massive nerf

Unless of course the Nids are supported by a stiff breeze, then old Emps has no chance.

With the emperors mastery of genetics.

He is about only who could make some kinda weapon that bypass there adaptability.

With ernough captured for Intel 30k could probbly make a effective weapon 40k could not.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 EnsignTuna wrote:

If this is the case, tyranids lose hands Down. Emperor is OP, he needs a massive nerf

Unless of course the Nids are supported by a stiff breeze, then old Emps has no chance.

Oh how could I of forgotten; The emperor was infact killed by his ship's poor air circulation. Poor guy never saw the cold draft coming

 EnsignTuna wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 EnsignTuna wrote:

If this is the case, tyranids lose hands Down. Emperor is OP, he needs a massive nerf

Unless of course the Nids are supported by a stiff breeze, then old Emps has no chance.

Oh how could I of forgotten; The emperor was infact killed by his ship's poor air circulation. Poor guy never saw the cold draft coming

He should know better than to leave home without a warm coat, Mamma Emps would be turning in her grave.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 EnsignTuna wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 EnsignTuna wrote:

If this is the case, tyranids lose hands Down. Emperor is OP, he needs a massive nerf

Unless of course the Nids are supported by a stiff breeze, then old Emps has no chance.

Oh how could I of forgotten; The emperor was infact killed by his ship's poor air circulation. Poor guy never saw the cold draft coming

He should know better than to leave home without a warm coat, Mamma Emps would be turning in her grave.

Jokes on you, the Emperor had 20 dads

 mrhappyface wrote:

 EnsignTuna wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 EnsignTuna wrote:

If this is the case, tyranids lose hands Down. Emperor is OP, he needs a massive nerf

Unless of course the Nids are supported by a stiff breeze, then old Emps has no chance.

Oh how could I of forgotten; The emperor was infact killed by his ship's poor air circulation. Poor guy never saw the cold draft coming

He should know better than to leave home without a warm coat, Mamma Emps would be turning in her grave.

Did you forget saint duncans holy advice.
Several thin coats.

 jhe90 wrote:

Did you forget saint duncans holy advice.
Several thin coats.

+1 I laughed way too hard at this.

 Generalstoner wrote:
All the posts on just how large the Tyranids really are has gotten me thinking. Could the 18 1st founding legions and the 30k Imperium have beaten the Tyranid menace?

I would like to think yes but my money tells me no. The only thing having 18 primarch led legions would do for you is allow you to take the fight to the tyranids. But got help you if they ever got their tendrils on primarch bio-matter.

What do you guys think?

Imagine what would happen if a single Primarch was killed by the Tyranid and had his genes harvested. Can you imagine what sort of monster the Tyranid could have produced with it?

epronovost wrote:

 Generalstoner wrote:
All the posts on just how large the Tyranids really are has gotten me thinking. Could the 18 1st founding legions and the 30k Imperium have beaten the Tyranid menace?

I would like to think yes but my money tells me no. The only thing having 18 primarch led legions would do for you is allow you to take the fight to the tyranids. But got help you if they ever got their tendrils on primarch bio-matter.

What do you guys think?

Imagine what would happen if a single Primarch was killed by the Tyranid and had his genes harvested. Can you imagine what sort of monster the Tyranid could have produced with it?

All space marines are genetic off-springs of Primarchs right?

Tyramarines! Finally, GW will give tyranids its full attention!

 EnsignTuna wrote:

epronovost wrote:

 Generalstoner wrote:
All the posts on just how large the Tyranids really are has gotten me thinking. Could the 18 1st founding legions and the 30k Imperium have beaten the Tyranid menace?

I would like to think yes but my money tells me no. The only thing having 18 primarch led legions would do for you is allow you to take the fight to the tyranids. But got help you if they ever got their tendrils on primarch bio-matter.

What do you guys think?

Imagine what would happen if a single Primarch was killed by the Tyranid and had his genes harvested. Can you imagine what sort of monster the Tyranid could have produced with it?

All space marines are genetic off-springs of Primarchs right?

Tyramarines! Finally, GW will give tyranids its full attention!

Aren't Tyrant Guard Tyramarines?

They couldn't kill all the Orks, and I guess they are the only ones that come close in number to the Tyranids.

pm713 wrote:

 EnsignTuna wrote:

epronovost wrote:

 Generalstoner wrote:
All the posts on just how large the Tyranids really are has gotten me thinking. Could the 18 1st founding legions and the 30k Imperium have beaten the Tyranid menace?

I would like to think yes but my money tells me no. The only thing having 18 primarch led legions would do for you is allow you to take the fight to the tyranids. But got help you if they ever got their tendrils on primarch bio-matter.

What do you guys think?

Imagine what would happen if a single Primarch was killed by the Tyranid and had his genes harvested. Can you imagine what sort of monster the Tyranid could have produced with it?

All space marines are genetic off-springs of Primarchs right?

Tyramarines! Finally, GW will give tyranids its full attention!

Aren't Tyrant Guard Tyramarines?

That was the hypothesis in a former codex. Don't know if it has been retconned or is still current fluff.

 Freytag93 wrote:
That was the hypothesis in a former codex. Don't know if it has been retconned or is still current fluff.

They changed the models

and then kinda dropped all references to what genetic materials helped design what nids.. i.e. Biovore was Ork, Zoanphrope was Eldar, Tyrant Guard was Spacemarine

A single chapter with PDF support destroyed an entire hive fleet.

The legions would have reduced the Tyranids to zoo exhibits.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
A single chapter with PDF support destroyed an entire hive fleet.

The legions would have reduced the Tyranids to zoo spectacles.

??

You mean Hivefleet Behemoth, which was really defeated in Space with the combined might of the entire Ultramarines Battle Fleet as well as two whole Sector fleets?

They had pretty much lost the ground war on Macrage, But the lost of the Hive Queen, through the Destruction of an Emperor Class Battleship, disrupted the Hivemind enough for the Tyranids to revert to their base instincts and were moped up once they had no more reinforcements, or coordination

The combined might of the entire Ultramarines Battle Fleet as well as two whole Sector fleets?

Whaaaaaat? The ENTIRE Ultramarines battle-fleet and TWO whole sector fleets?

 BlaxicanX wrote:

The combined might of the entire Ultramarines Battle Fleet as well as two whole Sector fleets?

Whaaaaaat? The ENTIRE Ultramarines battle-fleet and TWO whole sector fleets?

You obviously haven't read the 2nd ed Tyranid Codex. Where it goes into detail about the battle

After reading the inferno fluff, particularly the SW section, it sounds like the legions fought and killed alien races as or even scarier than tyranids. If you are talking about all 18 legions and if you include just having the big E the that trumps all.

GodDamUser wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

The combined might of the entire Ultramarines Battle Fleet as well as two whole Sector fleets?

Whaaaaaat? The ENTIRE Ultramarines battle-fleet and TWO whole sector fleets?

You obviously haven't read the 2nd ed Tyranid Codex. Where it goes into detail about the battle

Pretty sure he's being sarcastic, considering how much smaller one chapter and everything that's entailed with it is compared to a Heresy-era legion. He's saying without saying that a full legion (UM, let's say) would have a far larger fleet than that.

The main thing with Tyranids VS Legion

Would be the Tyranids adaptability and the fact they do not have a know point of origin.

While the legions have killed off races that could be consider stronger than Tyranids, they were a localized threat that they could destroy the enemy utterly.

In a Hive Fleet Behemoth and even Hive Fleet Kraken Scenarios the legion Spacemariens would win, but as the Tyranid Fleets get more spread out and numerous.. and depending no how many are truly out there you start facing a attrition issue as well as being spread too thinly

That depends entirely on how big you think the full Tyranid fleet is.

If you're more towards the upper end of the scale where the full Tyranid fleet outmasses the entire milky way galaxy by orders of magnitude then there's really nothing some extra marines can do to stop the end because the Tyranids just entering the galaxy will tear the gravitational firmament of the galaxy apart through sheer numbers as star systems are dragged out of position and the galaxy's arms come apart.

 jhe90 wrote:
mastery of genetics

Fabius Bile will save the universe from nids. Who thought.

It's important to note that the Hive Fleet that sacked the gak out of Ultramar was also one of the smallest Hive Fleets to enter the galaxy so far.

Leviathan is larger then all previous hive fleets combined.

 Lance845 wrote:
It's important to note that the Hive Fleet that sacked the gak out of Ultramar was also one of the smallest Hive Fleets to enter the galaxy so far.

Which is why it took such a relatively small force from what is undoubtedly a disorganised Imperium (at best) to defeat it.

 Lance845 wrote:
Leviathan is larger then all previous hive fleets combined.

This is at least part of why I assume the original proposal was made: Did the full force of the original 18 Known Legions have the power to defeat them? My belief lies firmly with yes since - if nothing else - they had the organisation of a Legion backed by the wisdom of un-corrupted Primarchs and the support of the rest of the Imperium.

According to Lexicanum 12 chapters + support are currently involved in the containment of leviathan and it is slowing down. 12 that's 12 000 space marines. Legions were anywhere between that (10k or so thousand sons) and half a million (ultramarines). Those numbers tell me the legions would win hands down.

PS I can't take the tyranids seriously since they require such a huge suspension of disbelief from me to work as presented.

Earth127 wrote:
According to Lexicanum 12 chapters + support are currently involved in the containment of leviathan and it is slowing down. 12 that's 12 000 space marines. Legions were anywhere between that (10k or so thousand sons) and half a million (ultramarines). Those numbers tell me the legions would win hands down.

PS I can't take the tyranids seriously since they require such a huge suspension of disbelief from me to work as presented.

It's not being contained completely, plus you have to keep in mind that the main fleet is probably many magnitudes bigger than leviathan. If even only a hundred hive fleets showed up you'd need upwards of more than a million marines to just "slow" them if we use leviathan as a base line.

Throw in gene stealers undermining the war efforts and inferstructure of the imperium, the wide spread chaos of such a wide and vast invasion, and the fact orks and laughing gods are still viable threats, and you've a situation where the collapse of the imperium is rather unavoidable. The amount of damage the fleets will put out will cripple the imperium seat marchine even if it can counter the invasion at full strength given enough time, because in all honesty, it won't be at full strength for long.

Earth127 wrote:
According to Lexicanum 12 chapters + support are currently involved in the containment of leviathan and it is slowing down. 12 that's 12 000 space marines. Legions were anywhere between that (10k or so thousand sons) and half a million (ultramarines). Those numbers tell me the legions would win hands down.

PS I can't take the tyranids seriously since they require such a huge suspension of disbelief from me to work as presented.

Its not 12 chapters. Its 12 chapters, several craft worlds, tau fleets, and the octarius battle and leviathan has only been slowed.