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Why are you sympathetic? They are trying to stop the freedom of speech and association of others via intimidation and violence.
Police should go after them via RICO.

I literally said why, Frazz. Put down the Rum n' RC and put on your glasses!

 feeder wrote:
I'm generally sympathetic to the ignorant antifa kids because I still remember being young and stupid and full of wildfire. How many old fat guys on the antifa side? How many old fat guys in MAGA hats?

If your on the side of old fat guys you're in the wrong. Unless it's historical gaming. Then it's old fat guys as far as the eye can see.

That's assuming that their aren't fat old guys who side with antifa (not in name, but ideas) and there aren't ahem, youngins, who wear MAGA hats.

Granola chicks love a rebel, and there are a lot of granola chicks at Berkeley.

As always, it's the attempt to impress chicks that leads to this kind of silliness.

 feeder wrote:
I literally said why, Frazz. Put down the Rum n' RC and put on your glasses!

 feeder wrote:
I'm generally sympathetic to the ignorant antifa kids because I still remember being young and stupid and full of wildfire. How many old fat guys on the antifa side? How many old fat guys in MAGA hats?

If your on the side of old fat guys you're in the wrong. Unless it's historical gaming. Then it's old fat guys as far as the eye can see.

I don't see why being young makes you want to oppress others. When I was young I did no have the desire to go out and oppress others.

Honestly my impression of antifa kids is that they are bitter that their poor life choices didn't result in gainful employment, and they are angry because Bernie didn't get elected to give them free stuff.

 Frazzled wrote:

I don't see why being young makes you want to oppress others. When I was young I did no have the desire to go out and oppress others.

Young Kronk just wanted to drink beer and see something naked.

Older Kronk knows it's better to drink Bourbon and see something naked.

 Frazzled wrote:

 feeder wrote:
I literally said why, Frazz. Put down the Rum n' RC and put on your glasses!

 feeder wrote:
I'm generally sympathetic to the ignorant antifa kids because I still remember being young and stupid and full of wildfire. How many old fat guys on the antifa side? How many old fat guys in MAGA hats?

If your on the side of old fat guys you're in the wrong. Unless it's historical gaming. Then it's old fat guys as far as the eye can see.

I don't see why being young makes you want to oppress others. When I was young I did no have the desire to go out and oppress others.

I remember thinking I had life figured out, and everyone else who didn't think like me was stupid. But I never had any desire to hurt people, shut them up, or take their stuff. Respect for free speech used to be a thing, even among the youth.

 kronk wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

I don't see why being young makes you want to oppress others. When I was young I did no have the desire to go out and oppress others.

Young Kronk just wanted to drink beer and see something naked.

Older Kronk knows it's better to drink Bourbon and see something naked.

Young or old Kronk is wise.

Tactical_Spam wrote:That's assuming that their aren't fat old guys who side with antifa (not in name, but ideas) and there aren't ahem, youngins, who wear MAGA hats.

Well, yeah, it's not a 100% split. I'm being, to quote a top quality administrator, "grossly generalistic".

kronk wrote:Granola chicks love a rebel, and there are a lot of granola chicks at Berkeley.

As always, it's the attempt to impress chicks that leads to this kind of silliness.

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This guy gets it.

Frazzled wrote:

 feeder wrote:
I literally said why, Frazz. Put down the Rum n' RC and put on your glasses!

 feeder wrote:
I'm generally sympathetic to the ignorant antifa kids because I still remember being young and stupid and full of wildfire. How many old fat guys on the antifa side? How many old fat guys in MAGA hats?

If your on the side of old fat guys you're in the wrong. Unless it's historical gaming. Then it's old fat guys as far as the eye can see.

I don't see why being young makes you want to oppress others. When I was young I did no have the desire to go out and oppress others.

Try to think back to your youth and put yourself in their shoes. But this time, the hyenadons are wearing red ball caps.

The problem with your argument is, the kids of my youth would have put these guys in a ditch.

Lets not make it out like people havent been doing exactly this sort of thing since...forever. It's not new by any means. Lets also not make it out like just one side is the bad guy here, when we have enthusiastic participants on both sides. If these people just wanted to express their views, they neednt go to Berkely to do that, they are choosing to travel there because it's where they'll get the biggest reaction and coverage.

The worst part is that woman chose Jamesons bottles as weapons.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
The worst part is that woman chose Jamesons bottles as weapons.

Crown Royal would have been classier.

 kronk wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
The worst part is that woman chose Jamesons bottles as weapons.

Crown Royal would have been classier.

Hey Jamesons' twelve year is awesome gak!

Vaktathi wrote:Lets not make it out like people havent been doing exactly this sort of thing since...forever. It's not new by any means. Lets also not make it out like just one side is the bad guy here, when we have enthusiastic participants on both sides. If these people just wanted to express their views, they neednt go to Berkely to do that, they are choosing to travel there because it's where they'll get the biggest reaction and coverage.

Exactly. Bernie never asked his fans to beat up dissidents with offers to pay their legal fees.

MrDwhitey wrote:The worst part is that woman chose Jamesons bottles as weapons.

When you're young and poor, you can't afford to be picky. I know which option I used to choose when it was "cheap, or sober?"

kronk wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
The worst part is that woman chose Jamesons bottles as weapons.

Crown Royal would have been classier.

My pride and joy when I was a wee lad was my genuine purple Crown Royal dice bag.

 feeder wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:Lets not make it out like people havent been doing exactly this sort of thing since...forever. It's not new by any means. Lets also not make it out like just one side is the bad guy here, when we have enthusiastic participants on both sides. If these people just wanted to express their views, they neednt go to Berkely to do that, they are choosing to travel there because it's where they'll get the biggest reaction and coverage.

Exactly. Bernie never asked his fans to beat up dissidents with offers to pay their legal fees.

He didn't have to, other organizations, like Moveon.org funded legal fees for anti-Trump protestors.

 feeder wrote:

Exactly. Bernie never asked his fans to beat up dissidents with offers to pay their legal fees.

I remember Bernie getting physically deplatformed in real time by regressives at his own rally.

 CptJake wrote:

 feeder wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:Lets not make it out like people havent been doing exactly this sort of thing since...forever. It's not new by any means. Lets also not make it out like just one side is the bad guy here, when we have enthusiastic participants on both sides. If these people just wanted to express their views, they neednt go to Berkely to do that, they are choosing to travel there because it's where they'll get the biggest reaction and coverage.

Exactly. Bernie never asked his fans to beat up dissidents with offers to pay their legal fees.

He didn't have to, other organizations, like Moveon.org funded legal fees for anti-Trump protestors.

as a legitimate question...is there a source for that? I've seen the claim from some places, but never any actual backing aside from misconstruing convassing jobs on craigslist.

 jasper76 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Their group claims to be anti-facist, yet (ironically enough) states that they believe that not everyone should have the right to openly discuss their views and that most views should be legally banned.

And the irony here seems completely lost on them. The few people I've discussed this stuff with that are actually supportive of Antifa tactics and goals seem genuinely unaware that they are acting more like fascists than those they oppose.

Do they terrorise ethnic, sexual and religious minorities? Do they demand absolute deferral to the authorities? Do they strive towards the establishment of a supreme nation-state based on the spiritual connection between blood and soil? Are they overwhelmingly from the middle class and working in tandem with the owning class to protect capitalist interests from the workers' movement?

 jasper76 wrote:
Honestly my impression of antifa kids is that they are bitter that their poor life choices didn't result in gainful employment, and they are angry because Bernie didn't get elected to give them free stuff.

For growing parts of the US (and indeed the rest of the West), "gainful employment" doesn't exist. It's the gig economy or bust. Claiming that this is because of "poor life choices" is deeply ignorant.

 Vaktathi wrote:
For instance, we see elements making out the punched girl to be an innocent victim who was assaulted for no reason instead two donkey-caves going at it who both should have been arrested. We get other elements calling it the "Berkely Battle" and making it out like it was a huge battle royal and that "the left" (however nebulous that is) is aggressively violent against free speech, again, instead of it just being a relatively small group of donkey-caves (many or most not local Berkely people) getting into tiffs with another relatively small group of donkey-caves (again, also with many if not most being non-local) hoping to instigate a tiff.

She's not innocent.

- She's photographed using a wine bottle as a weapon. Throws a glass bottle into a crowd.
- On video agreed with antifa "using M80 firecrackers" on the crowd since "this was war" when questioned that an older women was injured by the firecrackers
- Was recently pornagraphic film
- Has 6600$ from a "GoFund Me" for being punched https://www.gofundme.com/3nj1iqg
- She comes from an extremely wealthy neighborhood, advocated open borders, and her high school had a sub 15% non white (latinos count as white apparently) population
- She drove 5.5 hours to attend the protest with her boyfriend with the intent to "scalp 100 nazis" (she is not a student and is not local)

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
That's assuming that their aren't fat old guys who side with antifa (not in name, but ideas) and there aren't ahem, youngins, who wear MAGA hats.

I went with a dozen guys that were 21-25 to the last rally. It seems to be more mom and dads going as couples, and older professional folk in their mid 30s and a sprinkling of baby boomers. Some of the local law school showed up

 jasper76 wrote:
Honestly my impression of antifa kids is that they are bitter that their poor life choices didn't result in gainful employment, and they are angry because Bernie didn't get elected to give them free stuff.

My cousin is antifa in NY and went down to DC to march. She's a sophomore in college now, no job and lots of debt. lots of rage anarchy and hip hop music. Journalism major too - so she hangs out in the crowd and goes wild with her camera

Rosebuddy wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Their group claims to be anti-facist, yet (ironically enough) states that they believe that not everyone should have the right to openly discuss their views and that most views should be legally banned.

And the irony here seems completely lost on them. The few people I've discussed this stuff with that are actually supportive of Antifa tactics and goals seem genuinely unaware that they are acting more like fascists than those they oppose.

Do they terrorise ethnic, sexual and religious minorities? Do they demand absolute deferral to the authorities? Do they strive towards the establishment of a supreme nation-state based on the spiritual connection between blood and soil? Are they overwhelmingly from the middle class and working in tandem with the owning class to protect capitalist interests from the workers' movement?

Honestly, the ones I see get interviewed seem either incapable of communicating or unwilling to divulge their motives or goals. Other than acting like fascists while decrying fascism, which they seem incapable of or unwilling to define, who knows what they actually want? And they do not even seem to recognize that they are the ones who come across as being wannabe fascists themselves. Lack of self-awareness.

Rosebuddy wrote:

Honestly my impression of antifa kids is that they are bitter that their poor life choices didn't result in gainful employment, and they are angry because Bernie didn't get elected to give them free stuff.

For growing parts of the US (and indeed the rest of the West), "gainful employment" doesn't exist. It's the gig economy or bust. Claiming that this is because of "poor life choices" is deeply ignorant.

wut?

Poor life choices absolutely has an impact.

Rosebuddy wrote:

For growing parts of the US (and indeed the rest of the West), "gainful employment" doesn't exist. It's the gig economy or bust. Claiming that this is because of "poor life choices" is deeply ignorant.

Cry me a river. This isn't the first time the US economy was in the slumps, and it won't be the last. There are things you can do as an individual to improve your circumstances besides acting like a fascist, assaulting people in the streets, hurling M-80s at people, and destroying other people's stuff.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Honestly my impression of antifa kids is that they are bitter that their poor life choices didn't result in gainful employment, and they are angry because Bernie didn't get elected to give them free stuff.

For growing parts of the US (and indeed the rest of the West), "gainful employment" doesn't exist. It's the gig economy or bust. Claiming that this is because of "poor life choices" is deeply ignorant.

More to the point, I think most of these kids are too young for any of these things to have really kicked in. Thats the kind of thing that you run into post 25, maybe around 30, not at 19. That's just not something people that age get despondent about yet.

Being 19 and thinking you can take on the world and know everything is pretty common however.

 jasper76 wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

Do they terrorise ethnic, sexual and religious minorities? Do they demand absolute deferral to the authorities? Do they strive towards the establishment of a supreme nation-state based on the spiritual connection between blood and soil? Are they overwhelmingly from the middle class and working in tandem with the owning class to protect capitalist interests from the workers' movement?

Honestly, the ones I see get interviewed seem either incapable of communicating or unwilling to divulge their motives or goals. Other than acting like fascists while decrying fascism, which they seem incapable of or unwilling to define, and they do not seem to recognize that they are the ones who come across as being wannabe fascists themselves.

Once again, which of those classical fascist actions do they undertake? If they don't suppress minorities or workers and don't in fact champion fascist causes then they aren't much in the way of fascists, particularly considering that's who they want to directly fight.

What you're doing is like saying that a Union soldier is the same thing as a Confederate soldier because both were fighting each other. You can't just home in on the absolute most superficial similarities in the mechanics of their actions and ignore their motivations and greater context.

 Stevefamine wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
For instance, we see elements making out the punched girl to be an innocent victim who was assaulted for no reason instead two donkey-caves going at it who both should have been arrested. We get other elements calling it the "Berkely Battle" and making it out like it was a huge battle royal and that "the left" (however nebulous that is) is aggressively violent against free speech, again, instead of it just being a relatively small group of donkey-caves (many or most not local Berkely people) getting into tiffs with another relatively small group of donkey-caves (again, also with many if not most being non-local) hoping to instigate a tiff.

She's not innocent.

I didnt say she was.

- Was recently pornagraphic film

Not sure what that has to do with anything other than maybe some people's evening video watching choices...

Rosebuddy wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

Do they terrorise ethnic, sexual and religious minorities? Do they demand absolute deferral to the authorities? Do they strive towards the establishment of a supreme nation-state based on the spiritual connection between blood and soil? Are they overwhelmingly from the middle class and working in tandem with the owning class to protect capitalist interests from the workers' movement?

Honestly, the ones I see get interviewed seem either incapable of communicating or unwilling to divulge their motives or goals. Other than acting like fascists while decrying fascism, which they seem incapable of or unwilling to define, and they do not seem to recognize that they are the ones who come across as being wannabe fascists themselves.

Once again, which of those classical fascist actions do they undertake? If they don't suppress minorities or workers and don't in fact champion fascist causes then they aren't much in the way of fascists, particularly considering that's who they want to directly fight.

What you're doing is like saying that a Union soldier is the same thing as a Confederate soldier because both were fighting each other. You can't just home in on the absolute most superficial similarities in the mechanics of their actions and ignore their motivations and greater context.

Antifa uses violence as a tactic to push their agenda. Fascist. They do not respect liberal democracy or accept the outcome of free elections. Fascist. They seek to destroy freedom of speech and expression. Fascist.

That's what I mean when I say they come across as wannabe fascists.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

Do they terrorise ethnic, sexual and religious minorities? Do they demand absolute deferral to the authorities? Do they strive towards the establishment of a supreme nation-state based on the spiritual connection between blood and soil? Are they overwhelmingly from the middle class and working in tandem with the owning class to protect capitalist interests from the workers' movement?

Honestly, the ones I see get interviewed seem either incapable of communicating or unwilling to divulge their motives or goals. Other than acting like fascists while decrying fascism, which they seem incapable of or unwilling to define, and they do not seem to recognize that they are the ones who come across as being wannabe fascists themselves.

Once again, which of those classical fascist actions do they undertake? If they don't suppress minorities or workers and don't in fact champion fascist causes then they aren't much in the way of fascists, particularly considering that's who they want to directly fight.

What you're doing is like saying that a Union soldier is the same thing as a Confederate soldier because both were fighting each other. You can't just home in on the absolute most superficial similarities in the mechanics of their actions and ignore their motivations and greater context.

However the same group you are defending justify their actions by saying their opponents are Nazis. Are you saying the people you are defending are more dumb then a box of rocks?

On the flipside to the Trumpsters being bused in..who's paying you?

 jasper76 wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

Do they terrorise ethnic, sexual and religious minorities? Do they demand absolute deferral to the authorities? Do they strive towards the establishment of a supreme nation-state based on the spiritual connection between blood and soil? Are they overwhelmingly from the middle class and working in tandem with the owning class to protect capitalist interests from the workers' movement?

Honestly, the ones I see get interviewed seem either incapable of communicating or unwilling to divulge their motives or goals. Other than acting like fascists while decrying fascism, which they seem incapable of or unwilling to define, and they do not seem to recognize that they are the ones who come across as being wannabe fascists themselves.

Once again, which of those classical fascist actions do they undertake? If they don't suppress minorities or workers and don't in fact champion fascist causes then they aren't much in the way of fascists, particularly considering that's who they want to directly fight.

What you're doing is like saying that a Union soldier is the same thing as a Confederate soldier because both were fighting each other. You can't just home in on the absolute most superficial similarities in the mechanics of their actions and ignore their motivations and greater context.

Antifa uses violence as a tactic to push their agenda. Fascist. They believe that liberal democracy is obsolete. Fascist. They seek to destroy freedom of speech. Fascist.

None of these are stricly Fascist in and of themselves. They can be attibuted to many forms of government

Likewise, most of this is rather selective interpretations of actions based on a rather extreme fringe group.

/pedantic