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Sinewy Scourge




I think more than 1 pair might give you +1 per pair. So +3, making it... 8? I think. Not sure though this is an ongoing discussion in YMDC. Many RAW and RAI arguments.

Best RAW in favour: Matches with Chainsword. Each weapon has the wording, they aren't a set of 3.

Best RAI in favour: 3 sets costs more than 2. If they didn't give more attacks then they would cost the same.

Neither is totally solid and can easily be argued the other way. I don't have a strong stance yet, but am leaning towards +3 for Trygons.
   
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Currently I am leaning towards +2...has Talons, so 6, extra pair? +1, Extra extra pair? +1...seems to read that way anyhow...

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Drager wrote:
I think more than 1 pair might give you +1 per pair. So +3, making it... 8? I think. Not sure though this is an ongoing discussion in YMDC. Many RAW and RAI arguments.

Best RAW in favour: Matches with Chainsword. Each weapon has the wording, they aren't a set of 3.

Best RAI in favour: 3 sets costs more than 2. If they didn't give more attacks then they would cost the same.

Neither is totally solid and can easily be argued the other way. I don't have a strong stance yet, but am leaning towards +3 for Trygons.


The rule says if you have more than 1 pair you get +1 atk

Not you get +1 per pair
   
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GodDamUser wrote:
Drager wrote:
I think more than 1 pair might give you +1 per pair. So +3, making it... 8? I think. Not sure though this is an ongoing discussion in YMDC. Many RAW and RAI arguments.

Best RAW in favour: Matches with Chainsword. Each weapon has the wording, they aren't a set of 3.

Best RAI in favour: 3 sets costs more than 2. If they didn't give more attacks then they would cost the same.

Neither is totally solid and can easily be argued the other way. I don't have a strong stance yet, but am leaning towards +3 for Trygons.


The rule says if you have more than 1 pair you get +1 atk

Not you get +1 per pair


No it doesn't. It says you get +1 with this weapon and all the weapons say that independently. If it said:

"You can re-roll hit rolls of 1 when attacking with this weapon. If the bearer is yellow, it can make 1 additional attack with this weapon each time it fights."

Would it get +1 or +1 per pair? That is functionally the same wording with a different condition. Now I'm not saying it's definitely +1 per pair. I am saying it's unclear.

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"You can re-roll hit rolls of 1 when attacking with this weapon. If the bearer has more than one pair of (they forgot to say Massive) scything talons, it can make 1 additional attack with this weapon each time it fights"

So it says +1 if it has more than

pretty clear tbh
   
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Yes it says +1 if the bearer has more than one pair. Each weapon says this. This is equivalent to the hypothetical I posted, but I replaced the trigger. Does that make sense?

Should probably move this talk to ymdc where there is a thread.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/727792.page

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Brisbane

I wonder why they lowered the save of the T-fex from to 2+ to 3+?

 
   
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I hadn't noticed that, good question. Maybe to just bring it in line with the other monsters? It is a little odd.
   
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GodDamUser wrote:
"You can re-roll hit rolls of 1 when attacking with this weapon. If the bearer has more than one pair of (they forgot to say Massive) scything talons, it can make 1 additional attack with this weapon each time it fights"

So it says +1 if it has more than

pretty clear tbh


You keep cutting out the "With this weapon" part that is also there and very important. In 8th you can split your attacks up with different weapons. So if a model gets 4 attacks and uses 1 pair of Scy Tal with 3 of those attacks it gets +1 attacks "With this weapon." If it then uses the other 1 attack with the other pair it also gets +1 attacks "With this weapon". Each weapon gets the bonus for having 2 pairs.

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You are misunderstandings the use of "this weapon".

It doesn't indicate a requirement to attack with that weapon, it indicates that the extra attacks uses the profile of that weapon.

The only requirement for the extra attacks is that the bearer fights, and this requirement can be triggered for every weapon with that rule if you have multiples.

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Loopstah wrote:
You are misunderstandings the use of "this weapon".

It doesn't indicate a requirement to attack with that weapon, it indicates that the extra attacks uses the profile of that weapon.

The only requirement for the extra attacks is that the bearer fights, and this requirement can be triggered for every weapon with that rule if you have multiples.


Which is a fair interpretation but amounts to the same thing. Each weapon would still be granting 1 more attack individually for 2 extra attacks.


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At this point I think we should just shif tthe ScyTal thing to YMDC. My conclusion: Ambiguous, needs FAQ.

What do people think of using 2 GSC Primus guys with a unit of 20 Purestrains and a Patriarch (Supreme Command Detachment) as a bolster to a nids force? The rerolls to the cult ambush rule make it pretty reliable and that many attacks popping up and charging is tasty.
   
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Man, Onslaught is terribly worded. It's trying to say everything at once. Was there a limited amount of space left on the page or something?

 
   
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 Lance845 wrote:
Loopstah wrote:
You are misunderstandings the use of "this weapon".

It doesn't indicate a requirement to attack with that weapon, it indicates that the extra attacks uses the profile of that weapon.

The only requirement for the extra attacks is that the bearer fights, and this requirement can be triggered for every weapon with that rule if you have multiples.


Which is a fair interpretation but amounts to the same thing. Each weapon would still be granting 1 more attack individually for 2 extra attacks.


But is important for stats of attack if you have weapon A as well as the pair with weapon A being better. Extra attacks would be with scything talon stats. Similar to how power fist and chainsword marine can attack with all attacks with fist except the bonus attack that's on chainsword stats.

And yeah tactical marine with 2 chainswords would have 3(1 base+2 for 2 chainswords). Logic gets screwed with at least chaos terminators(who have wording similar to scything talons) that provides +1 when armed with pair of lightning claws(so +1 total) and warp talons that get +1A per lightning claw(so 2 total).

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Question - What's the point of giving a Trygon prime a useless tail attack when you're never going to attack with it?

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 AaronWilson wrote:
Question - What's the point of giving a Trygon prime a useless tail attack when you're never going to attack with it?


Better than being forced to attack with it like the Trygon is.

 
   
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Quick question. Looking at the Hive Tyrant, it says it may take wings but I didn't see a power increase for it, nor points. Am I missing something or is it just a completely free upgrade. Also if it's free, why would you not take them?
   
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The Winged Hive Tyrant has a different point cost (170) in the table at the back.
   
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Drager wrote:
I hadn't noticed that, good question. Maybe to just bring it in line with the other monsters? It is a little odd.


Very, considering they were overpriced in the past and have had their cost readjusted like the other larger TMCs. It seems weird to have them still be somewhat overpriced and takeaway their 2+

They're literally 1 of the only things in the Index that isn't either good or amazing so I'm not too phased.

 
   
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Drager wrote:
The Winged Hive Tyrant has a different point cost (170) in the table at the back.


Thanks, figured I was missing something.
   
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 Zande4 wrote:
Drager wrote:
I hadn't noticed that, good question. Maybe to just bring it in line with the other monsters? It is a little odd.


Very, considering they were overpriced in the past and have had their cost readjusted like the other larger TMCs. It seems weird to have them still be somewhat overpriced and takeaway their 2+

They're literally 1 of the only things in the Index that isn't either good or amazing so I'm not too phased.


They may have overestimated it's power in the new edition due to the ability to fire at multiple models.
   
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I think it's because the Tyrannofex gained some rules, like the Rupture Cannon becoming AP -4 if both shots hit and being able to fire each weapon twice if it remains still.

Still kinda overcosted at 200+ points. I think they may have raised the cost due to the rupture cannon being one of the only Tyranid ranged weapons that has high AP and damage (it's essentially a +1 strength 2 shot lascannon if both shots hit) when nids rarely ever get something like this.

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Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


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The thing is for a minimal investment we can take Guard with lascannons via GSC if we want. Kind of makes it superfluous.
   
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 AaronWilson wrote:
Question - What's the point of giving a Trygon prime a useless tail attack when you're never going to attack with it?


Increasing its cost. You can trade the biostatic rattle for one of the worse versions (toxispine or prensile pincer tail) which are slightly cheaper, but force you to use them at least once.
   
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Drager wrote:
The thing is for a minimal investment we can take Guard with lascannons via GSC if we want. Kind of makes it superfluous.


I think it may be for those really narrow occurances where you must have them all be Tyranids, not with GSC allies. That would be my guess. Still though I'm not that torn up. Even the 5th Edition Dark Eldar codex (widely considered one of the best codexes ever written for it's time) still had it's Mandrakes.

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Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


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where are you guys finding this stuff isnt the book not out yet?

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 Goob89 wrote:
where are you guys finding this stuff isnt the book not out yet?

All the books were leaked a week or so ago. Plus many stores have preview copies now.

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Hopefully in the full codex we will get the Lord of War that is not resin model from FW. Maybe the rumours about plastic Dominatrix will come true?

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They will probably announce a Dominatrix Model only to reveal that it's a new SoB unit

Or do the reverse.

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Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


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