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Anyone else getting a cartoon vibe?

Really hope it's limited in scope. New models look very hard to kitbash. But easy to paint. Like the extra wide shoot me here necks on primaris marines. Are they going to continue to have easy to paint cartoons for kids or models that you can kitbash/ repose /convert.

I liked the art style in 5th 6th 7th. This new direction easy to paint cartoons with low model counts on the table isn't really what 40k is about. At least not for me.

40k isn't for kids. Stop Infantilising 40k . We don't want pokemon/yugio 40k

not really, the death guard are a little less dirty then we useally see em but thats cause they wanna show off the detail without covering it in grime.

compare a modern picture of ultramarines to old school ultramarines and you'll quickly feel there's less to worry about.

BrianDavion wrote:
not really, the death guard are a little less dirty then we useally see em but thats cause they wanna show off the detail without covering it in grime.

compare a modern picture of ultramarines to old school ultramarines and you'll quickly feel there's less to worry about.

I suppose what I'm getting at is all the modeling is done for you. Or seems to be. Don't get me wrong people will still do sick conversions make them look cool.

Just look at the different ways you could change up a tactical squad with limited kit bashing. I like the idea of Epic details but I want to make it epic. Not just choose the color.

proably, and I expect to see plenty of amazing conversions of regular marines too.

If you put [ img]image link[ /img] (without the spaces in the brackets) your post will show with images instead.

Also I love those new Death Guard models, that Lord of Contagion is honestly in my top 5 of best models ever made.

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I don't see how limited kit bashing the Primaris marines would be any different?

Also those Death Guard you posted are the mono-pose starter set marines, the multi-part kit will make it very much the same as we have now?

 Rippy wrote:
If you put [ img]image link[ /img] (without the spaces in the brackets) your post will show with images instead.

Also I love those new Death Guard models, that Lord of Contagion is honestly in my top 5 of best models ever made.

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Yes they look cool. But not very convertible. Your friends death guard might look exactly like yours but brown while yours are yellow green.

Cartoony? I don't know if you have noticed, but GW hasn't been rocking anything other than grimdark since the mid 90's for their miniatures. Models, paint jobs, art style etc. Have all been more SRS BSNS and GRIMDARK in replacing older models.

I guess what I'm saying is that I can understand the direction GG models took, but appreciate the early models and their quirks. As for your post, this stood out:

 ForceChoke wrote:
I liked the art style in 5th 6th 7th. This new direction easy to paint cartoons with low model counts on the table isn't really what 40k is about.

The art style I won't comment on (last edition I played was 3rd) but calling the new sculpts cartoons is a bit naughty, as is your comment that Warhammer isn't about low model counts. You play the game the way you want to. Want to run a horde? Fine. Want a small strike force of elite troops? Go right ahead. Want to paint your marines a garish colour for reasons? Knock yourself out.

Warhammer let's you play anyway you want to. Telling others it's not Warhammer because of aesthetic choices or models on the board is silly. In your argument, a Mark 6 golf isn't a proper golf because it's a slightly different shape and colour to a Mark 2 golf.

 Rippy wrote:
If you put [ img]image link[ /img] (without the spaces in the brackets) your post will show with images instead.

Also I love those new Death Guard models, that Lord of Contagion is honestly in my top 5 of best models ever made.

Images he posted above:

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I don't see how limited kit bashing the Primaris marines would be any different?

Also those Death Guard you posted are the mono-pose starter set marines, the multi-part kit will make it very much the same as we have now?

Well okay that sounds better.

"The more you know"

I suppose it is a matter of taste, but I'm not too fond of the Death Guard models. But I've never been keen of overly detailed models unless it represents a specific individual in the army. So these sculpts would still be okay if there were only one of each if I were to build such an army.

For the same reason, even though I like very much the ork trukk and battle wagon models, they each look like they should be unique, so seeing multiples of unique looking machines is off-putting to me. So if I were to build these Death Guard models I would have to work a bit harder to make them look different which would be especially difficult as they are mono-pose figures.

The new models are hard to convert because it's the starter box. It's supposed to be snap fit. The actual unit boxes will be convertible.

Come on guys, it's not like dark vengeance was easy to kit bash.

 Freddy Kruger wrote:
Cartoony? I don't know if you have noticed, but GW hasn't been rocking anything other than grimdark since the mid 90's for their miniatures. Models, paint jobs, art style etc. Have all been more SRS BSNS and GRIMDARK in replacing older models.

I guess what I'm saying is that I can understand the direction GG models took, but appreciate the early models and their quirks. As for your post, this stood out:

 ForceChoke wrote:
I liked the art style in 5th 6th 7th. This new direction easy to paint cartoons with low model counts on the table isn't really what 40k is about.

The art style I won't comment on (last edition I played was 3rd) but calling the new sculpts cartoons is a bit naughty, as is your comment that Warhammer isn't about low model counts. You play the game the way you want to. Want to run a horde? Fine. Want a small strike force of elite troops? Go right ahead. Want to paint your marines a garish colour for reasons? Knock yourself out.

Warhammer let's you play anyway you want to. Telling others it's not Warhammer because of aesthetic choices or models on the board is silly. In your argument, a Mark 6 golf isn't a proper golf because it's a slightly different shape and colour to a Mark 2 golf.

I did say my opinion was subjective. An opinion is little different from an argument. I started playing around 3rd 4th and 5th. Sweeping changes bother people. Others agree like my roommates. To us they look like cartoons.

Saying 40k is not for kids is insane. 40k is written with 13 yr olds in mind. The fluff is ridiculous and unrealistic and over the top EXACTLY like an anime aimed at the same age group. You ever pick up a codex and read a curse word in it?

 Jaxler wrote:
The new models are hard to convert because it's the starter box. It's supposed to be snap fit. The actual unit boxes will be convertible.

Come on guys, it's not like dark vengeance was easy to kit bash.

Love it. But will they still be cartoons?

40k is a game where you play with little, plastic, toy soldiers; of course it's for kids. As far the new models having a cartoony look, that's largely due to the way they were painted, the models themselves don't look cartoony at all. All miniatures end up looking cartoony when you airbrush them, which I'm guessing they did to show off a quicker-to-paint scheme for such heavily detailed miniatures. If you don't want them to look cartoony, you don't have to paint them that way. As far as customizability goes, the models are all from the 8th edition started box set, so of course they're gonna be less customizable in order to keep the cost down. Every starter box for every edition has been made up of easy-to-build mono pose models (Assault on Black Reach, Dark Vengeance, etc.); when they release squad boxes for Primaris Marines and Death Guard, I'm willing to bet they'll be just as customizable as all the other kits.

 Lance845 wrote:
Saying 40k is not for kids is insane. 40k is written with 13 yr olds in mind. The fluff is ridiculous and unrealistic and over the top EXACTLY like an anime aimed at the same age group. You ever pick up a codex and read a curse word in it?

I disagree 40k is for adults who used to be kids. And for kids that are lucky enough to have parents that either played 40k or d&d or modeled cars and miniature trains. This game is old.

A crappy turn of events began to push 40k to impulsive buyers and soccer moms with a crap-ton of expendable income.

Around 6th. Tale end of 5th.

Slaanesh and deamonettes are a good example of this.

Row boat gillsman is another sign of this. The super superer nu marines another.

As someone who has spent a lot of time extensively kitbashing Dark Vengeance, I can tell you that it takes no small effort to customize the models from ANY of the starter sets. In my case a green stuff was required on nearly every model, and all I was trying to do was replace the bikers from the torso up. They did not design Dark Vengeance with any alternate poses or loadouts in mind at all. Seeing that the Primaris Marine squads can't even take different load outs, I'd say they're just fine. They're just troop selections anyway. If you want to put some thought into them freehand the chapter and squad markings, that should keep you busy.

 ForceChoke wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Saying 40k is not for kids is insane. 40k is written with 13 yr olds in mind. The fluff is ridiculous and unrealistic and over the top EXACTLY like an anime aimed at the same age group. You ever pick up a codex and read a curse word in it?

I disagree 40k is for adults who used to be kids. And for kids that are lucky enough to have parents that either played 40k or d&d or modeled cars and miniature trains. This game is old.

Transformers is 30 years old. Does that mean Transofrmers is for adults or kids who are lucky enough to have parents that enjoyed transformers?

Sesame Street began airing in 1969. The Muppets debuted in 1955. Are those shows only for adults or kids who are lucky enough to have been born to adults who were fans of them?

How old something is has no bearing what-so-ever on the target demographic. 40k very well may be old. But it continues to be produced for it's target demographic. Which I imagine to be T for Teen and above. The ultra violence does not lend itself for children who are younger, while the lack of flat out rape (There are some implications. But find me a quote in any book that talks about the eternal rape fest that occur and I will concede on this point.) in any Chaos codex while talking about Slanesh, the Demon God of Rape Fests, would tell me that they want to leave it open for kids.

Again, insane to think it's not for kids. Again, exactly like an anime.

 ForceChoke wrote:

 Jaxler wrote:
The new models are hard to convert because it's the starter box. It's supposed to be snap fit. The actual unit boxes will be convertible.

Come on guys, it's not like dark vengeance was easy to kit bash.

Love it. But will they still be cartoons?

Hopefully as comical as ever.

Keep in mind we've a demon price who rides a bike and does whealies, and slaanesh marines used to kill people with the power of rock'n'roll.

How about we accept it's always been jokey and cartoony in places. Primaris marines are probably the most least cartoony thing I've seen in a while, in fact they look like what a marine should be when in scale with a guardsman.

I don't think this game is for little kids, but I definitely think their target audience is around 14~16.

The gluing together aspect of the game wouldn't work for anyone under 12.

Not to mention Slaanesh is a perfect example of a rather immature concept that wouldn't really attract anyone other than perhaps a horny teenager.

 Jaxler wrote:

 ForceChoke wrote:

 Jaxler wrote:
The new models are hard to convert because it's the starter box. It's supposed to be snap fit. The actual unit boxes will be convertible.

Come on guys, it's not like dark vengeance was easy to kit bash.

Love it. But will they still be cartoons?

Hopefully as comical as ever.

Keep in mind we've a demon price who rides a bike and does whealies, and slaanesh marines used to kill people with the power of rock'n'roll.

How about we accept it's always been jokey and cartoony in places. Primaris marines are probably the most least cartoony thing I've seen in a while, in fact they look like what a marine should be when in scale with a guardsman.

Let us never forget the losses we have endured as Noise Marines.. The loss of our Leopard Skin Guitar Wielding marines!

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Let us never forget the losses we have endured as Noise Marines.. The loss of our Leopard Skin Guitar Wielding marines!

I still run at least one of the old noise marines in my units, they are so awesome!

On topic: I'm not actually buying the starter set because I don't like the new DG models, I especially don't like the new Nurgle psyker,



he has a horrible case of baby face and the rest of the model doesn't make up for that.

 ForceChoke wrote:
Anyone else getting a cartoon vibe?

Really hope it's limited in scope. New models look very hard to kitbash. But easy to paint. Like the extra wide shoot me here necks on primaris marines. Are they going to continue to have easy to paint cartoons for kids or models that you can kitbash/ repose /convert.

I liked the art style in 5th 6th 7th. This new direction easy to paint cartoons with low model counts on the table isn't really what 40k is about. At least not for me.

40k isn't for kids. Stop Infantilising 40k . We don't want pokemon/yugio 40k

http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/40kFFDeathGuardArmy.jpg

Who gives a gak about kitbashing? It's plastic, people who want to kitbash can do literally anything based on that fact alone. And the designers said they have all that blank open space because A) people complain models are too busy and B) it leaves room for painted detail.

Low model counts? Only if you take lots of tanks dude, infantey went down pretty much across the board. SoB can blob up like orkz now.

I'm so sick of hearing about the friggin art. It's inherently subjective and also not in any way uniform, the leaked art from the 8th book has several wildly different styles in it, some very clean, some just as gritty as 5th. The only thing it doesn't have is the 2nd-4th 'I watched a VHS where someone recorded over Debbie Does Dallas with The Thing and have never recovered' style.

And finally, 40k is for everybody. Children, adults, teenagers, even people who don't read anything about the background and never see the art. Because that's how fun works.

ERJAK wrote:

 ForceChoke wrote:
Anyone else getting a cartoon vibe?

Really hope it's limited in scope. New models look very hard to kitbash. But easy to paint. Like the extra wide shoot me here necks on primaris marines. Are they going to continue to have easy to paint cartoons for kids or models that you can kitbash/ repose /convert.

I liked the art style in 5th 6th 7th. This new direction easy to paint cartoons with low model counts on the table isn't really what 40k is about. At least not for me.

40k isn't for kids. Stop Infantilising 40k . We don't want pokemon/yugio 40k

http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/40kFFDeathGuardArmy.jpg

Who gives a gak about kitbashing? It's plastic, people who want to kitbash can do literally anything based on that fact alone. And the designers said they have all that blank open space because A) people complain models are too busy and B) it leaves room for painted detail.

Low model counts? Only if you take lots of tanks dude, infantry went down pretty much across the board. SoB can blob up like orkz now.

I'm so sick of hearing about the friggin art. It's inherently subjective and also not in any way uniform, the leaked art from the 8th book has several wildly different styles in it, some very clean, some just as gritty as 5th. The only thing it doesn't have is the 2nd-4th 'I watched a VHS where someone recorded over Debbie Does Dallas with The Thing and have never recovered' style.

And finally, 40k is for everybody. Children, adults, teenagers, even people who don't read anything about the background and never see the art. Because that's how fun works.

Alot of people care about it. All my friends that play got into the hobby because of customization and a love for modeling. My whole army is kitbashed. I have blood angel parts highly converted , space wolves, choas bits, and more all in one army.

The styling is definitely AoS-inspired, and not in a good way. However, you are complaining about mono-pose starter kit models. You might as well be complaining about the Dark Vengeance kit models, etc.

The genuine multi-part plastic kits have only gotten more variable/in depth as of late - I don't know if we'll see that decline.

A game for adults who used to be kids, still kind of applies to modern day kids, if it made people who used to be kids want to buy it though?

GW isn't purely catering to hardcore fans, otherwise they won't be making any money. They want to make it approachable by new players who might not have the luxury of an awesome mum or dad who played the game in their youth.

So of course it's aimed at kids, just as much as it's aimed at us older people who did have cool parents or were kids once and liked it then.

I'm unsure why it should be kept as a niche for nostalgic parents and their kids. You dont want GW to continue getting enough money to support the game? You don't want GW to bring new people into the hobby to become more popular? It was invented by kids in the first place, riffing off crazy 80's stuff.

I thought this thread would be about the new artwork when reading the title

But concerning the minis: GW puts out increasingly disgusting (in a positive way) nurgle miniatures in the last years. The plague bearers, blightkings and now the new PMs. The problem is, they always paint them in a terrible clean style. The minis show blood and gore all over the place but they aren't painted properly - because of the young target audience is my guess.
This game is for both, kids who actually like ridiculous supersoldiers and adults, who like the caricature of over the top supersoldiers.

The only thing I've noticed is that the primaries marines are suspiciously generic sci-fi supersoldier ish. They look just a little too real.
Marines had a very distinct look that just wasn't quite like anything else. I feel like they're loosing that touch with primaris.
I'm not quite sure what it is, but yea. Not seeing the cartoonishness mind you.

 mrhappyface wrote:
On topic: I'm not actually buying the starter set because I don't like the new DG models, I especially don't like the new Nurgle psyker,



he has a horrible case of baby face and the rest of the model doesn't make up for that.

Not to mention he's holding a giant spoon so will forever be seen as a baby in power armour tossing porridge at someone.

 n0t_u wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
On topic: I'm not actually buying the starter set because I don't like the new DG models, I especially don't like the new Nurgle psyker,



he has a horrible case of baby face and the rest of the model doesn't make up for that.

Not to mention he's holding a giant spoon so will forever be seen as a baby in power armour tossing porridge at someone.

Finally a CSM player avatar!

Warhammer is for kids. If we want the game to survive it need to appeal to kids.

This entitlement of "this games is for me and only for me and he should catter to my tastes!" is like saying that Lego should look to catter to the 30 years old now that 20 years ago played with them. No, times changes, and many times is not problem of the product, is that you have grow older and don't find it appealing. That doesn't mean that it is a bad product or should catter to you.