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 Kanluwen wrote:

You're attempting to argue against something I've not said. My whole argument has been that this book is bad because it no longer allows for Skitarii to be fielded as an army in and of itself.

Serious non-troll suggestion: Engineers are very inexpensive HQ and seem like they would represent a Skitarii Alpha pretty well. Do some sick conversions and leave all the religious nutters behind, and have your pure army?

 ph34r wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

You're attempting to argue against something I've not said. My whole argument has been that this book is bad because it no longer allows for Skitarii to be fielded as an army in and of itself.

Serious non-troll suggestion: Engineers are very inexpensive HQ and seem like they would represent a Skitarii Alpha pretty well. Do some sick conversions and leave all the religious nutters behind, and have your pure army?

Serious non-troll reply: No.

It's ridiculous that because of the whiny War Convocation players and their insistence upon "WE NEED ONE BOOK! WE NEED ONE BOOK!", my army got rolled into an army I have no interest in fielding and it's ridiculous that GW couldn't even toss the pure Skitarii players (however few of us there might have been--I'm convinced that there were a fair few, they just didn't say much because well...they were content) a bone in the form of a "Cohort Commander" HQ choice or by giving us Alphas/Princeps as HQs with Auras tied to whatever unit type they came from.

Putting it bluntly:
You will not have a "pure Skitarii army" when you're playing counts-as. That's not how a pure army works.

Right, they could have given you a cohort commander but didn't. That was their choice, and that choice was not the same decision as "put them in one book"

It's also been, to a rather unspoken angle, that tournament players are cancer when it comes to the AdMech and that GW listened to the whiners who love to try to play up the "fluff" for their War Convocations when in reality they just were chasing the meta.

You can keep repeating this all you want. It doesn't make it factual to keep slamming that argument down given that most people who wanted to combine the two were people who've known the Skitarii as various forces that serve the Admech and having them together is indeed fluffy.

So is there condensed quicknotes on new stuff gw hasn't shown on warhammer community?

As much fun as it is reading Kan complain about Skitarrii for the past 3 pages rather get back to the actual news part

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/70e5wx/codex_review_for_ad_mech_if_you_dont_want_to/

 Kanluwen wrote:

changemod wrote:

I read it more as "This codex doesn't adress most of the problems the index list had and has terrible internal balance between subfactions".

Completely solid review honestly, and he's right: The Mechanicum red book was a good codex.

It's not a "review". It's a whinefest.

And let's face facts here, the Mechanicum red book isn't exactly good. 30k is just boring enough that it seems good.

Yeah, 30K is pretty terrible except for the Mechanicum models and their rules. I think the 30K stuff will be needed to make everyone happy about this faction. But, they will be forced to buy FW models and a FW book. And that sucks. I do think that we will get some love down the road, most factions take several codexes to be fully fleshed out. Until then, I'll just enjoy marching down the battlefield with my 12 robots.

There may be new models for AdMech coming with this

Chikout - DakkaDakka

I'm just going to leave this here as I don't think it is thread worthy. Jeremy Vetock was on the live stream just now and he mentioned that new Slaanesh stuff is coming (not soon though) he also said that the developing story will involve necron stuff happening on mechanicus forgeworlds.

Still no one except that one guy who wants separate armies? OK. Guess GW did a good thing for most people. Thanks GW, you're the best.

Anyway, I'm about done with a full summary of what is in the Codex. So you can take it and play the army right now. Only the last 2 artifact left to desciper from the video

Also I REALLY don'y buy the hype for the Servitor Stratagem. If your opponent know you have them, he'll either kill them in 1 turn or won't touch them until he can. Seems bad.

Hey look, i was nght, no Forge World key word on Knights, and no dogmas etc.

What a shock! (Not really)

Oh well, still worth running Knights as Questor Mechanicus, if only for the +1 invuln save.

Well, it will be if FW faqs it to allow their knights to be run as Questor Mechanicus/AdMech.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Still no one except that one guy who wants separate armies? OK. Guess GW did a good thing for most people. Thanks GW, you're the best.

Anyway, I'm about done with a full summary of what is in the Codex. So you can take it and play the army right now. Only the last 2 artifact left to desciper from the video

Also I REALLY don'y buy the hype for the Servitor Stratagem. If your opponent know you have them, he'll either kill them in 1 turn or won't touch them until he can. Seems bad.

I did like running pure skitarii forces but I also saw the use of the cult formations and would have run stuff like the holy requisistioner along with them, it would be nice to be able to run just a Skitarii force because I did like the Scryer ship fluff etc but I just have to accept that that is not possible anymore and just work with what I've got.

We weren't even important enough to get our own set of dice or rework the cantciles. I'm a bit sad now.

I don't understand why people are shocked at AdMech playing second fiddle. The 2 main armies right now are DeathGuard and Space Marines. They are releasing Codex at a record rate already so it is just not physically possible to make everything for every army

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
I don't understand why people are shocked at AdMech playing second fiddle. The 2 main armies right now are DeathGuard and Space Marines. They are releasing Codex at a record rate already so it is just not physically possible to make everything for every army

I'm fine with no new models I just want the numbers to not suck.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Hey look, i was nght, no Forge World key word on Knights, and no dogmas etc.

What a shock! (Not really)

Oh well, still worth running Knights as Questor Mechanicus, if only for the +1 invuln save.

Well, it will be if FW faqs it to allow their knights to be run as Questor Mechanicus/AdMech.

The knights +1 Invulnerable takes a command point. Unless it is to try to deflect a volley of Lascannon hits, I really don't see the utility.

3knights + 3enginseers with the new strategems/rules is a flat upgrade to previous imperium knight lists. Take the double repair relic and pick the big repair warlord trait for ~4hp a turn. Sounds good to me.

Artifacts

 Kandela wrote:
We weren't even important enough to get our own set of dice or rework the cantciles. I'm a bit sad now.

DOn't worry, I tried out the DeathGuard dice and they're trash

Damn those artifacts are bad. I never really saw how bad they were all together.

The Death Guard dice make for funny counters, but I seriously question whether or not they will roll fairly.

Wulfey wrote:
Damn those artifacts are bad. I never really saw how bad they were all together.

The Stygies relic isn't bad. Being able to hand out mortal wounds just because is pretty awesome.

FULL CODEX SUMMARY BY ME:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By4SQd_H1eW8Z3pINVNaODBxR3c

Changed pts, rules, stats, added the new codex stuff. Correct any mistakes I might have made.
Now go and test stuffs

Elder Nikola skull need to deal D6/ flat 3 damage per unit to be playable, 1 damage per unit is a joke.

Edit: Wow, Rustalker and Transonic weapons are still crap.

Can you pick artifacts after you see your opponent's list?

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
FULL CODEX SUMMARY BY ME:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By4SQd_H1eW8Z3pINVNaODBxR3c

Changed pts, rules, stats, added the new codex stuff. Correct any mistakes I might have made.
Now go and test stuffs

Am I missing something or everything is priced the same as in index? If so wow... just wow.

Things that changed:
9 for vanguard
8 for rangers
8 for heavy arc rifle
5 for cognis heavy stubber.
that's it.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Things that changed:
9 for vanguard
8 for rangers
8 for heavy arc rifle
5 for cognis heavy stubber.
that's it.

Guess at the very least Neutron Onager is priced in nice round chunk now. So that's a thing. Welp, time to move on with my all Ironstrider/Dragoon/Onager army, since nothing major changed...

Dragoons got AP1 so that's a thing

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Hey look, i was nght, no Forge World key word on Knights, and no dogmas etc.

What a shock! (Not really)

Oh well, still worth running Knights as Questor Mechanicus, if only for the +1 invuln save.

Well, it will be if FW faqs it to allow their knights to be run as Questor Mechanicus/AdMech.

The knights +1 Invulnerable takes a command point. Unless it is to try to deflect a volley of Lascannon hits, I really don't see the utility.

Ah, yes, ill be sure to remember all the other things my all Knight armies have CP to spend on.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Dragoons got AP1 so that's a thing

Hey, that's great! And we have an ability that allows Kastelans to switch their protocols on a whim. Maybe fisty Kastelans will be good now for screen since I don't have to worry that they will be stuck in place?