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 TheWaspinator wrote:
Would it be more believable if they rode wolves?

Oof. That hit me right in the fluff.

One can only hope SW lose those things. . . Probably not going to happen though. SAD!

Fenrisian Rough Riders on Fenrisian Wolves. Now there's a thought.

Probably wielding Frost Lances, or more likely Wolfspear Lances.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Fenrisian Rough Riders on Fenrisian Wolves. Now there's a thought.

Probably wielding Frost Lances, or more likely Wolfspear Lances.

Ignoring the fact that Fenrisians basically have been exterminated in the current lore, an Imperial Guard fenrisian army could be ultra cool. Its a great idea.

 Galas wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Fenrisian Rough Riders on Fenrisian Wolves. Now there's a thought.

Probably wielding Frost Lances, or more likely Wolfspear Lances.

Ignoring the fact that Fenrisians basically have been exterminated in the current lore, an Imperial Guard fenrisian army could be ultra cool. Its a great idea.

Pssst, they're secretly valhallans.

*wink wink*

It's not that horses break immersion, it's that they aren't hardcore enough.

I'd like to see Steel Legion bikers, Fenrisian wolf riders, Valhallan bear riders, Cadian lion riders, Catachan devil riders, Savlar raptor riders, Elysian eagle riders or any number of fantastic animals - but leave the horses for the Kreigers or Attilians.

I think the Japanese once assaulted a base on nothing but bicycles.

I would love to have an army of cadians on bicycles wielding explosive lances.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I think the Japanese once assaulted a base on nothing but bicycles.

I would love to have an army of cadians on bicycles wielding explosive lances.

This topic just opens things up for the logical alternative:

Special rules...

Hipster:When this unit is equipped with Segways (+1 Power), the unit type becomes "Easy Rider", and the unit gains Faction keyword <Hipster>

 Elbows wrote:
Special rules...

Hipster:When this unit is equipped with Segways (+1 Power), the unit type becomes "Easy Rider", and the unit gains Faction keyword <Hipster>

I guess you could call this

*puts on sunglasses*

a nice segue

Yeah, GW could've produced IG biker miniatures years ago. It seems so obvious. I guess between the jet bikes, ork bikes, SM bikes (including scout bikes and that Raven Wing fella) and all the various other small fast machines they've produced they just never got round to a plain old Guardie on two wheels. Shame though, it could've been a real money spinner for the last 20 odd years. They could've had bike squads with heavies in side cars and Sergeants getting all Road Rash on us. They could've had a whole other kit for scout bikers and made special bike character HQs.

We'd've been all like "Check out my all mounted IG fast attack force, its got Creed on a Goldwing and a squad of hairy biker veterans on choppers. " they'd've sold twice as many kits as an average White Scars force would've fielded too but no. We've just got some 90s legacy Horsies as a memory of when GW had a taste for variety and possibility.

They are wiv da angles now

WHO AM I KIDDING?

Rough Riders 4 lyf! Index rules mean I can keep running my randomly-useful, always entertaining horsemen. When those melta guns and lances work (1 game in 5, on a good day) it's pure cinematic heroism. The Prateorian LXXIX Household Cavalry will keep running their literal Cavalry alongside their tanks until the end!

 Insectum7 wrote:

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Would it be more believable if they rode wolves?

Oof. That hit me right in the fluff.

One can only hope SW lose those things. . . Probably not going to happen though. SAD!

HA! Far more likely GW will double down on the wolf thing. I don't just want my Space Wolves riding wolves. I want my Space Wolves riding wolves who are riding wolves. I want Dreadnoughts riding wolves. Wolves with firkin laser beams.

Let the Space Wolves yiff in Heaven, or I guess Hell. Don't kill the Rough Rider GW.

Not gonna lie, this hurt. They went through the trouble of updating their rules in the index, only to cut them in the codex. Pretty bizarre. I'm sure their justification was that they would have to make new models for them & maybe they didn't want to do that. Either that, or we will see them as part of a mini-release on Attila. Pretty sure there was a hint months ago says that Attilla/Armageddon & several other warzones are going to see action.

 Enigma of the Absolute wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Would it be more believable if they rode wolves?

Oof. That hit me right in the fluff.

One can only hope SW lose those things. . . Probably not going to happen though. SAD!

HA! Far more likely GW will double down on the wolf thing. I don't just want my Space Wolves riding wolves. I want my Space Wolves riding wolves who are riding wolves. I want Dreadnoughts riding wolves. Wolves with firkin laser beams.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Meh, personally not sad to see them go. IG riding horses compared to the rest of the setting always tugged at the suspension of disbelief for me.

As others mentioned, you can still play them with the index

That was the part that broke suspension of disbelief for you? Guys on horses?

Somehow humans riding horses broke suspension of disbelief.

And not space elves with shuriken guns.

I can't even.

 Galas wrote:
Yeah guys, Horses are obsolete when you have bikers.

Swords, axes and hammers in the other hand, are totally viable alongside plasma cannons and laser machineguns.

Swords, axes, and hammers are totally heavy metal though, and that's what really matters.

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Sleep well my sweet horsie-riding princes... sleep well.

I think there is/was a place for horse or other animal riders in the IG as scouts. Give them artillery spotting skills and such. But for me the lances were a bridge too far.

I would bet money it was a reference to a (false) bit of Nazi propaganda about the Polish charging their tanks with lances.

It never sat well with me because, unlike mutant wolves ridden by super soldiers, we know how horses, lances and shaped charges work.

That's always the problem with fictional worlds. If in Marvel Comics the SHIELD Helicarrier shows up in Latveria and saves the Fantastic Four, that's fine. SHIELD is fictional, so is Latveria, so you can thrown in any hand wave you want. But if the US Marines show up in Russia... if hurts my suspension of disbelief because the USMC and Russia are real and they don't work that way. Sometimes more fiction is better than less.

 Enigma of the Absolute wrote:
HA! Far more likely GW will double down on the wolf thing. I don't just want my Space Wolves riding wolves. I want my Space Wolves riding wolves who are riding wolves. I want Dreadnoughts riding wolves. Wolves with firkin laser beams.

New space wolf superheavy: a giant robotic wolf made of individual robotic wolves that assemble in a super sentai fashion, piloted by wolves that are ride by werewolves that are ride by wolf lords!

The modern US military special forces ride camels and horses in the Middle East, because trying to push a vehicle through the terrain they travel would simply destroy it. There’s plenty of unique terrain that would be impossible to navigate via mechanical locomotion.

Now, cavalry with laser lances riding across an open field to charge an enemy, that’s pretty out there. If rough riders make a modern comeback it should be as an elite covert unit with the equivalent of Fly in terrain and increased cover saves. Or with much nastier mounts to warrant sending regular humans out to have sword fights with demons and aliens.

Yeah this new policy sucks and will backfire eroding the good will they just started to claw back.

 Badablack wrote:
The modern US military special forces ride camels and horses in the Middle East, because trying to push a vehicle through the terrain they travel would simply destroy it. There’s plenty of unique terrain that would be impossible to navigate via mechanical locomotion.

Now, cavalry with laser lances riding across an open field to charge an enemy, that’s pretty out there. If rough riders make a modern comeback it should be as an elite covert unit with the equivalent of Fly in terrain and increased cover saves. Or with much nastier mounts to warrant sending regular humans out to have sword fights with demons and aliens.

I'd....rather not they reinterpret it. Last time we had that, we went from the sensible Kasrkins to the frilly trimmed Scions.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:


I'd....rather not they reinterpret it. Last time we had that, we went from the sensible Kasrkins to the frilly trimmed Scions.

Heaven forbid Rough Riders look silly.

I still prefer mongols on MLPs over....potentially a walking skull cathedral riding a penis-horse.

 theCrowe wrote:
We'd've been all like "Check out my all mounted IG fast attack force, its got Creed on a Goldwing and a squad of hairy biker veterans on choppers. " they'd've sold twice as many kits as an average White Scars force would've fielded too but no. We've just got some 90s legacy Horsies as a memory of when GW had a taste for variety and possibility.

I thought we kinda had something like that:

Oh yeah, you do not want any units to look anything like a Squat or you know what would happen.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

 Badablack wrote:
The modern US military special forces ride camels and horses in the Middle East, because trying to push a vehicle through the terrain they travel would simply destroy it. There’s plenty of unique terrain that would be impossible to navigate via mechanical locomotion.

Now, cavalry with laser lances riding across an open field to charge an enemy, that’s pretty out there. If rough riders make a modern comeback it should be as an elite covert unit with the equivalent of Fly in terrain and increased cover saves. Or with much nastier mounts to warrant sending regular humans out to have sword fights with demons and aliens.

I'd....rather not they reinterpret it. Last time we had that, we went from the sensible Kasrkins to the frilly trimmed Scions.

And before the Kasrkin we had the guys rocking flak jackets and gas masks and before that we had guys with berets...

Speaking as someone who loves Kasrkin, I think the switch to Scions was something that I kinda suspected was coming down the pipe given that the first Cruddace book had Kasrkin models notably absent and the Stormtrooper art was of the old style gas mask+flak jacket guys, playing up the whole "They're not part of the Guard Regiments but instead are their own thing". Not to mention that the "Grenadiers" option(Stormtrooper Squads that could be taken as Troops but without DS+Infiltrate) that many people used for Kasrkin got watered down to "Veterans with a 4+".
Personally, I've actually kind of grown a bit more fond of the Scions. They're what people have said for ages they want in a Guard unit, something that doesn't look like the Cadians and their "generic future scifi". They look wildly different to my Cadians but they're supposed to.

With regards to Rough Riders, I'd said ages ago that if they want a "fast moving unit" to fill that void, it would have been pretty cool to do bikers that can lay down a comm/scanner network to extend Orders and threat range for the infantry.

 Melissia wrote:
Honestly they should have them ride Space Cold Ones.

And no, I don't mean cans of beer

You rang???



Btw those are Victoria miniatures riders, very good quality.

As long as you have 16 riders (3 5-man and a commander) you can bring a Death Korps death rider outrider detachment (say that 10 times fast). They are better, stronger, can take more wounds and are immune to leadership from shooting, so dont feel bad, feel upgraded!

I'm actually thinking of doing something like that but with Armageddon Ork Hunters. The Marauder Horsemen from AoS come in packs of 10 and are perfect for Ork Hunter conversions (although I'd prefer actual Kriegers, because those models are boss).

Was thinking of backing them up with some of the faster tanks like Hellhounds